Paleo Diet: Raw Paleo Diet and Lifestyle Forum
Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Off Topic => Topic started by: TylerDurden on March 06, 2015, 04:25:44 pm
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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2982127/Bikini-Girl-versus-Banana-Girl-Fitness-trainer-Instagram-star-sues-diet-guru-eats-50-bananas-day-hurtful-claims-starving-followers-partner-takes-steroids.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2982127/Bikini-Girl-versus-Banana-Girl-Fitness-trainer-Instagram-star-sues-diet-guru-eats-50-bananas-day-hurtful-claims-starving-followers-partner-takes-steroids.html)
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In a fiery Facebook post addressed to her 1.3 million followers, Ms Itsines said she was pursuing court action because of 'false claims that my partner takes steroids, claims I'm starving myself or other people, claims that I promote anorexia, for abusing the respect of my followers, my family and myself, claims I am starving people, claims I am a fraud.'
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. Actions have consequences. I think a complete ban on giving nutritional advice for both DR and his girl would be in order. A total ban on online activities as well, perhaps.
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330,000 subscribers for DR's site? If only we could get this far. I suppose we would have to promise all sorts of nonsense such as immortality(!) if you switch to an RPD diet, have handsome RPDers being representative of the whole RPD community like DR and Freelee, and generally being more aggressive.
Still, there is a certain feelgood factor in being part of a smaller community, alienated from the mainstream. For example, I can gloat in my current health, knowing that I will be very fit and able in old age, whereas some highly toxic people I know are currently smoking like chimneys and eating crappy diets and could easily get lung cancer etc. in another 10-20 years. Schadenfreude is a wonderful thing, especially when others who hear of my time on this diet often look at me as though they are thinking:- " but, but, but.... parasites, food-poisoning etc., according to the media you ought to be dead after just a few months of eating raw meats".
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I'm not a bit jealous of their large numbers. I'm interested in the truth, not money.
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ha, looks like two anorexic bobbleheads going at it. people fight extremely hard to hold onto their fragile and misguided interpretations of reality, especially when its what they have built their livelihood and financial empire around. i dont understand who would look at either of those women and want bodies like that. freelee always has that swollen face look from blood sugar issues, and the other one just looks like she needs a real meal and a rest.
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ha, looks like two anorexic bobbleheads going at it. people fight extremely hard to hold onto their fragile and misguided interpretations of reality, especially when its what they have built their livelihood and financial empire around. i dont understand who would look at either of those women and want bodies like that. freelee always has that swollen face look from blood sugar issues, and the other one just looks like she needs a real meal and a rest.
It's going to catch up with them sooner or later, one way or another, I think. It's kind of sad.
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. Actions have consequences. I think a complete ban on giving nutritional advice for both DR and his girl would be in order. A total ban on online activities as well, perhaps.
If the State gets in the custom of shutting people down because somebody disagrees with their health recommendations, guess who will be the first to go.
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+1 Dariorpl
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If the State gets in the custom of shutting people down because somebody disagrees with their health recommendations, guess who will be the first to go.
I'd LOVE the publicity that would come with such a shutdown. I'd take it to court, and turn the opportunity into a way to propagate the useful truths about nutrition we've learned. PLEASE shut me down. LOL
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PLEASE shut me down. LOL
Chances are, if that happens, you would just be one more average Joe with his 15 minutes of fame.
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Chances are, if that happens, you would just be one more average Joe with his 15 minutes of fame.
It's not going to happen. I'm fact-based, and have no real opponents, as a result. I get mocked, but nobody can actually dispute the facts. Vegans get law enforcement scrutiny because of PETA and animal rights terrorism, and cooked paleo people get medical scrutiny because their diets are often almost as bad as the SAD. Raw vegans also get scrutiny because of that one baby in Florida who died from malnutrition with raw vegan parents. All I get is laughter. ;)
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Encouraging totalitarianism is a really, really bad idea. The only reason we have avoided scrutiny so far is because we are such a small minority that the authorities do not see us as a danger to them. Raw vegans , by contrast, are a much bigger target/population and therefore more easily able to be prosecuted in a court of law over trivialities. I've heard that a few RVAFers have already been prevented from gaining child custody simply because they insisted on feeding their children a raw-meat-diet.
We have also even been indirectly affected by mass attempts to ban raw foods, such as one attempt by the State of Florida to ban raw oysters, and many attempts by large French companies to ban raw dairy. If we support totalitarian attempts to knock out raw vegans, we will be next. I fear that if we do not join up with raw vegans and other seekers of more organic, unprocessed foods against the authorities, we will eventually end up in a world where it is forbidden to sell meat unless it has been thoroughly cooked.
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... and many attempts by large French companies to ban raw dairy.
What?! Blasphemy! But seriously I thought Americans prohibited french cheese from entering US soil because it was usually raw?.. Most French gourmets agree raw cheese is much better than the "pasteurized shit", so I'm not convinced. Are you talking about Nestlé or such? I don't know their stance on the matter...
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I've heard that a few RVAFers have already been prevented from gaining child custody simply because they insisted on feeding their children a raw-meat-diet.
Raw-everything-diet, not only raw meat : that's a reality in France where families are terrorized by the state and in hiding.
If we support totalitarian attempts to knock out raw vegans, we will be next.
Yes, obviously.
I'd LOVE the publicity that would come with such a shutdown. I'd take it to court, and turn the opportunity into a way to propagate the useful truths about nutrition we've learned. PLEASE shut me down. LOL
Check what has happen in France. GCB was naive enough to think like you.
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What?! Blasphemy! But seriously I thought Americans prohibited french cheese from entering US soil because it was usually raw?.. Most French gourmets agree raw cheese is much better than the "pasteurized shit", so I'm not convinced. Are you talking about Nestlé or such? I don't know their stance on the matter...
A recent EU-inspired attempt to ban raw dairy thankfully got stymied, but the large French companies really hate the small producers who make raw cheese. Here is more info re this:-
http://www.newsweek.com/french-cheesemakers-crippled-eu-health-measures-266799 (http://www.newsweek.com/french-cheesemakers-crippled-eu-health-measures-266799)
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Incidentally, the US does allow importation of raw French cheeses as long as they are aged for 60 days at least.
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Raw-everything-diet, not only raw meat : that's a reality in France where families are terrorized by the state and in hiding. Yes, obviously.Check what has happen in France. GCB was naive enough to think like you.
That's Western Europe, the U.S. isn't as extreme in that way. GCB had a business going, we are completely free, which increases public sympathy. I am an amazing public speaker snd debater, and have lots of evidence at my disposal. My day in court would be a tremendous public-relations win. In contrast, DR is spreading dangerous lies, and that never goes well, in the end.
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That's Western Europe, the U.S. isn't as extreme in that way. GCB had a business going, we are completely free, which increases public sympathy. I am an amazing public speaker snd debater, and have lots of evidence at my disposal. My day in court would be a tremendous public-relations win. In contrast, DR is spreading dangerous lies, and that never goes well, in the end.
We have a hell of a lot more in common with DR than with the big companies promoting processed foods. Besides, it is is all a matter of regional differences. In some ways, the US is way more totalitarian than in Europe. For example, raw dairy is banned in most US states and very restricted in some of the few States that permit its sale(eg:- allowing cow-shares but no direct sales etc.), whereas raw dairy is way more easily available in Europe. In Europe, buying raw wild game is much easier than in the US, and so on. Oh, and it was New York that tried to ban those trans-fats in restaurants, and so on. Granted, you lot have the 1st and 2nd amendments, so are less psychologically neutered than us Europeans in other ways, but you americans certainly do not possess all, or even most, of the necessary freedoms. Not even the most important freedom of all, the freedom of association.
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... but you americans certainly do not possess all, or even most, of the necessary freedoms. Not even the most important freedom of all, the freedom of association.
From where I'm sitting, Americans can and do associate freely in all aspects of our lives. Groups may clash with other groups, but for the very large part, we are pretty unrestricted.
What I'm curious about is where your views come from. Perhaps international opinion skews the news in the direction of sensationalism (because it sells). The US is not all Ferguson and Florida. It's all just me and roughly one-third of a billion people just like me, but different.
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From where I'm sitting, Americans can and do associate freely in all aspects of our lives. Groups may clash with other groups, but for the very large part, we are pretty unrestricted.
Not really. One tiny example among many in the US:- clubs which are exclusive, such as allowing only male membership are frowned upon heavily in the US and are constantly targetted. In New York, such clubs were banned by law as regards being exclusive.
While some people here might foolishly find the existence of male-only clubs offensive, the opposite is the case. Just as women should have the right to set up women-only clubs, so should men. That is only logical.
I can give an example of such from my own British side of the family. My father was once given a letter from his first wife asking for a divorce, he then happily obliged her by seeking one in the courts(as she was a gold-digger etc.). His first wife then changed her mind and asked her lawyer for advice. Her lawyer told her that if she wanted to continue the marriage all she had to do was meet her husband, even if only for a few seconds, and the court would recognise her as having reunited with her husband according to the law, thus voiding the divorce(this was the 1950s, after all). My father duly fled to a gentleman's club in London in which he was a member and hid there. She knew where he had fled and tried to get in but was refused entry because it was a male-only club at the time and banned female visitors. My father then had to flee abroad to avoid his first wife, afterwards, and , thankfully, she then married an American admiral, so he was rid of her. The point being that without the freedom of association exercised by this club, his life would have been ruined.
What I'm curious about is where your views come from. Perhaps international opinion skews the news in the direction of sensationalism (because it sells). The US is not all Ferguson and Florida. It's all just me and roughly one-third of a billion people just like me, but different.
I get most of my views about the US from Americans who complain online all over the place all the time about how their freedoms are being restricted. Much like Europeans complain, my sole point was that neither Americans nor Europeans have unrestricted freedoms and actually live in rather totalitarian societies, it is merely that Americans lack some freedoms that Europeans have , and vice-versa.
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Thanks for the excellent example, TD. It's true, there is a fiercely strong cultural bias against segregation by gender, race, religion, etc., in the US. Our history pointed us in that direction: exclusive clubs would be considered as a way to exclude people from full social and economic participation. As I read your example, my American head started shaking "no" immediately. However, inclusion (in the US) is considered a form of freedom of association. Here, it's possible to hide out from the ex - any private building will do - without instituting social and economic barriers to others.
As far as online-complaining Americans, LOL, they are just exercising their constitutional right to complain about every g-ddamn thing, one of our precious freedoms.
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You clearly do not understand what freedom of association actually means. It is a much bigger issue in the US, anyway, than just the tiny matter of exclusive clubs, which are wholly innocuous, incidentally, from a moral point of view. Forced "inclusion", incidentally, is most definitely not a freedom, but totalitarian behaviour, and certainly not a form of freedom of association, indeed the exact opposite thereof ! ;) And, like I said before, people in the US do indeed segregate themselves all the time on a cultural basis in a myriad different ways(not just gender, race or religion but in many other aspects too), it is merely that the government institutes totalitarian methods in order to try to prevent these naturally-occurring cultural behaviours. As regards Americans, they are not merely complaining out of habit, they are complaining vehemently because their livelihoods etc. are now under threat as a result of the loss of their freedoms, the freedom of association being one among many thereof. Come to think of it, once secession of individual States from the US was forbidden in 1860, freedom of association was effectively dead thereafter.
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I'd LOVE the publicity that would come with such a shutdown. I'd take it to court, and turn the opportunity into a way to propagate the useful truths about nutrition we've learned. PLEASE shut me down. LOL
That's fine if you want that, and I think you're wrong about the type of publicity that would generate, but please recognize that many others do not want this to happen to them.
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That's fine if you want that, and I think you're wrong about the type of publicity that would generate, but please recognize that many others do not want this to happen to them.
Not everyone has the knowledge base or public speaking ability that I do. I could argue a case right now in court without references for my eating habits. But it's not an issue, because this is an extremely international forum. We have moderators from 3 continents, and members from 6 continents. We could web host from any of those locations easily. There's no shutting us down. If anything, we are in greater danger from discrediting ourselves through discussing unproven conspiracy theories, extreme political stances, general scientific ignorance, etc.. Trying to shut us down would only draw attention to our message.
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Minor news update:-
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007197/Chanting-carb-f-100-fans-lifestyle-blogger-famous-eating-51-bananas-day-crowd-outside-court-support-legal-showdown-Bikini-Girl-trainer-goes-ahead.html (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3007197/Chanting-carb-f-100-fans-lifestyle-blogger-famous-eating-51-bananas-day-crowd-outside-court-support-legal-showdown-Bikini-Girl-trainer-goes-ahead.html)
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Karma.
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cherimoya_kid, unfortunately, I think you're living in a fantasy world. What you say about how justice works in the US might have been the case in 1890 or something. That's not how things are there anymore. I mean you've got government agents sexually assaulting your daughter if you want to travel for god's sake, and you still believe you're living in the land of the free?
The US govt records everything you do and keeps a log for ever that can be searched at any point. They control every aspect of your life from work to home to lifestyle. If they want to, they can kidnap your kids if you don't raise them according to their standards, which include a lot of poisons for their bodies, for their minds and for their souls. Or they can kidnap your kids just because, and make some other excuse. They take around half of what you produce and if they want, at any point, they can take everything you've got, and they have plenty of excuses to do it. If they want, they can lock you up too, and easily come up with any number of excuses for that as well.
It doesn't matter how well you argue your case, if the government wants you, they will put you down, and there is nothing you can do about it. (after all, you'll be doing the arguing in the government's own court) Yes, you may be able to keep the server up (and not necessarily), but that won't save the individuals from being persecuted.
Just because these things haven't happened to you yet, doesn't mean they won't. And if and when they do, it may be too late to change your mind.
You may not like what these two people had to say, but they didn't commit any crimes. Cheering as they are thrown into the fire is not the way to support a healthy society like the one you believe you live in.
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I got very, very sick on that diet. I have all the right in the world to want supporters of that diet silenced. It is a blind alley.
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I understand, but you made your own choices. Nobody put a gun to your head and told you to go on that diet.
I almost died when I did an extreme cooked ketogenic diet for almost a year. I'm not blaming Gary Taubes and others for it. I own my body and I own the decisions I make with it.
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I agree with the verdict of Karma.
Personally I dont often criticize people for the way they chose to live, but in the case of the "Fruit Riders", there are limits, to what even the most compassionate heart can tolerate.
At least Taubes never went out of his way to demonize diets he doesn't agree with, with blatant misinformation, as the Fruit Riders regularly do, out of some irreverent hatred for people who eat meat.
I don't agree with silencing anyone no matter how ignorant their message .... instead I think through open debate and if need be a consistent and thorough berating of people who perpetrate such dangerous ideology, is a more enlightened and progressive approach.
In the case of the fruit riders, there may be no hope of reaching through the veil of fructose induced delusion, so as a last resort we can only make fun at the absurdity of it all.....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoMfVNVx4g (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OIoMfVNVx4g)
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DR and Freelee several times tried to troll this forum, so I support criticism of them here and elsewhere. I do not mind less antagonistic raw vegans and see those as being "far less worse" than promoters of junk food diets.
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I understand, but you made your own choices. Nobody put a gun to your head and told you to go on that diet.
I almost died when I did an extreme cooked ketogenic diet for almost a year. I'm not blaming Gary Taubes and others for it. I own my body and I own the decisions I make with it.
He tried constantly for years to troll this forum. We banned him probably a dozen times at least. It got so bad I left for a while. I got so tired of dealing with the bullshit.
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Ok, that would be harassment and I would agree with making him pay restitution for that. And now I see why you despise him so much.
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Ok, that would be harassment and I would agree with making him pay restitution for that. And now I see why you despise him so much.
He will repent. He will apologize. And he will never be welcome here, because fuck his ego. He makes everything about him, and finding the truth about nutrition is not about some narcissist's ego. Fuck you, Harley. You are not welcome here, no matter what.
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I almost died when I did an extreme cooked ketogenic diet for almost a year. I'm not blaming Gary Taubes and others for it. I own my body and I own the decisions I make with it.
What does "extreme" stand for?
Otherwise I don't see how a cooked ketogenic diet might kill someone in less than a year.
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It means I was having 80%+ of my calories from conventionally raised, cooked fats including butter, home made tallow and oils (goal was 90% but most days I couldn't get there because I kept having to eat more protein to make the fat taste better, and also because I always really liked fruit so I was having a bit more carbs than what I thought was ideal).
It also means that for the last 3-4 months that I did it, I upped my caloric intake from about 2000 calories a day to about 7000 calories a day average. I wanted to see what would happen if I did that. My caloric balance point at the time was probably around 3500-4000 calories. My guess was that any extra calories could not be converted into stored fats, so they would have to be converted into energy for workouts. I wasn't hungry when eating 2000, so the only way I could eat 7000 was to force myself to overeat to the point where I couldn't possibly eat any more.
What happened was that my weight stayed constant as predicted (it was dropping before), and I had lots and lots of energy for exercising as predicted. What wasn't predicted was that after about 2.5 months, I started getting pain in my heart. At first I ignored it, because I was eating what I thought at the time was a healthy diet, so I thought it must have been psychological. They kept getting worse. Eventually I had to stop and do a more balanced diet. I stopped having tallow, butter and rarely had oils after that. I also stopped working out. The pain diminished a bit but it was still there. I tried adding more carbs, even junk food. Again the pain diminished a bit, but it was still present. For about 2.5 years, the only thing that made it temporarily go away was if I had lots and lots of sushi/sashimi/ceviche with a ton of avocado. I kept going back and forth between sushi/sashimi and other foods. Eventually even the sushi didn't make it stop. Then it went away for a bit, and I was having all sorts of garbage like fried chicken and other junk food for a few months. Then I finally psyched myself into eating some marinated raw beef about 3.5 months ago, and I never looked back.
The pain is now mostly gone, but I still get a bit of it ocassionally. It was gone entirely for the first 2 months or so on this diet. I've been getting more of it than usual these past two weeks or so. I don't know why. But I did add more (raw, organic) fats into my diet recently.
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What does "extreme" stand for?
Otherwise I don't see how a cooked ketogenic diet might kill someone in less than a year.
I did a raw, ketogenic diet for a few weeks and very nearly died until I had the sense to give it up. I did 3 such experiments, and never lasted more than 6 weeks. After 2-3 days of going raw, ketogenic, I would feel as though I had much higher levels of concentration, alertness and intelligence. Soon after, my sports stamina went down quite a bit. Then, after c.3 weeks, I would quickly start getting loosened teeth, I would feel chronic fatigue etc. like I had in pre-rawpalaeodiet days, and would progressively feel like death. By the end of the 6th week, I would feel like a hospital case, and would struggle to eat any animal food at all. Increasing raw animal fat levels did not solve the problem at all. In the end, I had to give up and eat some raw plant foods or I would have died at around the 8th week or so.
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Inger's teacher believes a ketogenic diet should be done with lots of sea food.