I'm sure many RPDers will LOVE this! Probably a good idea to show friends/family that rawpaleo isn't so weird after all...
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Post by: sabertooth on February 09, 2017, 02:34:44 am
The link is blocked in America(former home of the free internet)
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Post by: JeuneKoq on February 09, 2017, 03:50:13 am
Strange, considering the host is american. The youtube channel it is posted on is called "Russian Cuisine", there might still be some sort of cold war hostility lurking under the surface ;)
Anyways great video so far (I'm 20min in), it looks like the host has a lot of experience with raw meat, seeing how he is enjoying himself and being comfortable trying out new raw foods. And the size of those mussels!!
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Post by: ys on February 09, 2017, 03:54:04 am
this is copyrighted material so the owner has all the rights to request block. try using Tor browser.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 09, 2017, 11:34:07 pm
side note- there are many who disagree with the right of copyrighters, and are ushering in a new Open Source age. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s8uX6LIDKA (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5s8uX6LIDKA) The first half makes some points regarding issues like copyrighting and hamster canibalism.
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Post by: Projectile Vomit on February 09, 2017, 11:38:59 pm
Hamster cannibalism aside, here's another link to the same vid which is accessible by those of us in the USA. Bizarre Foods: St. Petersburg Russia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss886pgo7rQ)
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Post by: sabertooth on February 10, 2017, 11:26:17 am
Thanks Eric.
Very Good Perspective of Russian Cuisine,
I have faced criticism in past threads for suggesting that there is a rise of the foodies in Russia.... for sure things were quite bad in the past....but there is promising signs that the worm is turning.
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Post by: ys on February 10, 2017, 02:15:12 pm
Few things: - so called farmer's market is really the same thing as supermarket in the West. 95% of produce is imported or delivered from other regions and all are conventionally raised, nothing is organic, and very few things are local. - meats in general are a luxury. typical russian family gets by with non-organic chicken and pork. beef is expensive. but tails and marrow bones are cheap. organic meat is very hard to find esp now when most are cutting back on spending. - dried vobla is not herring, it is farmed carp. but many fishermen dry wild catch themselves. - bear meat is exotic, so is black caviar and lamprey. 90% of people cannot afford it, and maybe only 1-2% can afford caviar.
Here is a list of good things: - pickled herring is awesome - pickled vegetables are great too, but only if they are organic which is really hard to find in the big city. - wild mushrooms - salo - eating it now - those who live outside the city have small gardens where they can grow organic stuff. but in the city typical staple is cheap pasta with non-organic chicken or pork. - home-style fast food cafeteria is really good. I enjoyed it even though everything was cooked except pickled stuff. My favorite was ground salo with ground fresh garlic.
And the ugly part. Since Russia imposed sanctions on western produce there is a lot of foods with fake labels, additives that are not listed, and inferior ingredients. Very difficult to know where it came from and what are the real ingredients. When average salary is around $500/month many people totally do not care if it is organic or not esp in the province where salary is much lower.
And it is by far not a perspective. Zimmern simply picked the best parts which is not what a typical family eats every day.
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Post by: TylerDurden on February 10, 2017, 03:35:20 pm
Just one bit to add. When I was in Kiev, I was told that all families in the city, not just those outside, had been allocated small gardens outside the city for them to grow plants there etc.. It was more or less stated that this was a common Communist initiative.
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Post by: ys on February 10, 2017, 10:08:05 pm
That's not true at all. While it was popular for city dwellers to have such small gardens many people did not have it. We did not have it and many of our neighbors did not as well.
Nothing has been allocated. You would have to buy it. The price of such plot land including a small hut back in the 80s in the province was 2000 rubles when typical pay was 120-150 rubles per month.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 10, 2017, 10:39:36 pm
In all fairness I agree that there still must be food deserts and great inequity through out the land, but you cannot tell me that there has not been overall vast improvements since the 1980s? Or that there are not growing numbers of foodies who are choosing higher quality foods.
Also*Every negative statement against Russia could just as easily be said about many places in rural and inner city American Food Stamp grocery Store culture. I dont personally know for sure as to the quality of conventional produce over there, but they are rejecting GMO and there is a huge movement toward more organic methods of food production. So, is it possible that the lower cost peasant foods being sold at the market could be of higher quality than the GMOs that poor Americans buy at Walmart?
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Post by: TylerDurden on February 10, 2017, 11:52:07 pm
That's not true at all. While it was popular for city dwellers to have such small gardens many people did not have it. We did not have it and many of our neighbors did not as well.
Nothing has been allocated. You would have to buy it. The price of such plot land including a small hut back in the 80s in the province was 2000 rubles when typical pay was 120-150 rubles per month.
I can only say that all Kievites I met mentioned that they had a small garden outside the city - some even provided me with the vegetables they had grown in their gardens. One head of the family was a pilot, admittedly, but others were dirt-poor types.
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Post by: ys on February 11, 2017, 05:58:14 am
Food variety got better by a mile since they opened borders in the late 80's. But right now thanks to dumb-ass putin, food prices spiked like crazy and many started cutting back and making preference for lower quality food.
You have no idea how bad things are over there. More and more people are cutting back on vodka and choosing surrogate alcohol instead. Just recently about 100 people died in Irkutsk due to methanol poisoning. http://www.rferl.org/a/siberia-alcohol-poisoning-death-toll-rises-71/28190666.html (http://www.rferl.org/a/siberia-alcohol-poisoning-death-toll-rises-71/28190666.html) Drinking perfume and windshield liquid is very common because it is much cheaper than vodka.
You are correct. It does sound like inner American city where no one cares what they eat as long as it is tasty only on much bigger and grander scale. My distant relatives are like that. I asked and they don't know anyone who is specifically looking for organic food.
Forget about GMO. The only reason they don't have it is because they don't want to spend $$$ importing GMO seeds every time. They heavily use chemical fertilizers and pesticides everywhere and cattle is fed grain almost exclusively.
Garden plots were very common but by far not everyone had them. In my neighborhood maybe only 30% of household had one. Two of my friends had one but the rest of my friends including us did not.
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Post by: Iguana on February 11, 2017, 06:11:05 am
Where in the USSR did you grow up, ys?
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Post by: sabertooth on February 11, 2017, 08:54:40 am
I would take the St Pt market place over our local save-a-lot any day. Where I live even the farmers markets are not all that great, and the California organic greens at the health food markets are no where nearly as good as what I can grow at home.
I have concerns about the quality of food in America (even so called ORGANIC foods), and am curious about the quality of commercially produced food in other countries....Please feel free to educate me with relevant links regarding any comparative study on Russia Vs America food quality. I know Russia uses chemical fertilizers, but they do not use Round Up ready GMO, and there is a huge government backed effort to increase organic food production. While I know in America much of our farm land is a BIO hazard zone.... Yet there is so much dis-info and consternation between the two powers that such comparative studies are few and far between.
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Post by: Projectile Vomit on February 11, 2017, 09:57:10 pm
This is a fascinating conversation. Makes me very grateful to live in Vermont, USA, where high quality food is fairly accessible.
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Post by: letsdoiteczema on February 13, 2017, 07:36:54 pm
Hamster cannibalism aside, here's another link to the same vid which is accessible by those of us in the USA. Bizarre Foods: St. Petersburg Russia (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ss886pgo7rQ)
Hey Eric, unfortunately, that is completely different video!
"Bizarre foods" is the TV show but the episode name is: "No Cooking Required Special". Not "St. Petersburg Russia"
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Post by: Projectile Vomit on February 13, 2017, 08:52:35 pm
Someone mentioned something about Russia in an earlier post, so I thought it was the Russian episode. Anyway, here's a link to the No Cooking Required episode. It's recent enough that those of us in the US have to pay to watch it on YouTube. It's only $1.99 though.
Bizarre Foods: No Cooking Required (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hvKoUQDFmZc)
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Post by: Projectile Vomit on February 13, 2017, 09:20:39 pm
Just finished watching the episode. The best pro-raw food episode I've ever seen.
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Post by: ys on February 14, 2017, 01:36:36 am
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I would take the St Pt market place over our local save-a-lot any day.
You don't understand. Those produce is not home grown. It is from commercial farms. Only few things are good there such as wild mushrooms. All those pickled vegetables they are from commercial farms as well.
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Where in the USSR did you grow up, ys?
Small town in Russia, then Kiev.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 14, 2017, 07:07:28 am
You don't understand. Those produce is not home grown. It is from commercial farms. Only few things are good there such as wild mushrooms. All those pickled vegetables they are from commercial farms as well. Small town in Russia, then Kiev.
No you dont understand. Im speaking about the comparative quality of conventional produce...much of the produce on American store shelves comes from commercial farms...what I want to know is if the standards of "conventional" are better in Monsanto Land than in Putinistan?
Also there is a push toward developing transitional methods in Russia which may not be certified organic, but may be of much better overall quality than the Walmart, save-a-lot stuff most Americans consume.
I also mistrust the Organic labels in America, especially when it comes to meats. Much of the organic labeled meat in the US taste awful and is fed Grains or sub quality forage.... and is damn expensive.
You are arguing more over comparative labeling and pricing which while relevant to some; I view as abstractions and distractions from the general food quality issues I am most interested in.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 14, 2017, 07:11:05 am
Just finished watching the episode. The best pro-raw food episode I've ever seen.
Well, I refuse to pay for content, but if ever a copy becomes available for free please feel free to post it here
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Post by: ys on February 14, 2017, 07:51:12 am
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You are arguing more over comparative labeling and pricing which while relevant to some; I view as abstractions and distractions from the general food quality issues I am most interested in.
No, all I'm saying is I have absolutely no trust in produce shown in that video. Knowing the culture of russian business (much like chinese business) where profits are above all, I would stay away from it. All of it grown in conventional farms using chemical fertilizers and pesticides just like in the US. Even if it is not GMO it is still full of chemicals. I trust US organic label much more than commercial Russian produce.
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Post by: TylerDurden on February 14, 2017, 08:50:57 am
While I admit that ys is talking from personal , far more widespread experience than me, I would suggest that Russians living in more rural communities probably(?) have much better access to decent foods. I mean, I've seen photos of Nenets in Russia eating raw reindeer meat, for example. Plus, I recall acquaintances visiting China who told me of scenes in Chinese cities where the locals had street markets all over where they offered far more variety than what would be available in the West, such as (albeit cooked) grasshoppers, insects, worms, scorpions etc. etc. The point being that a lot of RPDers, myself included, would complain, at the start of going rawpalaeo, of there being no decent quality raw foods available in their own local area, but, inevitably, most who bothered to do some research/make some effort would find decent raw, quality food-sources in the end.
Interesting articles on Siberia, indicating, quite possibly, that pre-Western-contact native peoples in the Arctic likely had a much higher percentage of raw food in their diet, than previously supposed:-
It is also mentioned elsewhere that "salo"(pig fat) is often eaten raw in Russia. Haan, stroganina, pechen are also mentioned as being Yakuts' raw dishes.
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Post by: TylerDurden on February 14, 2017, 09:33:11 am
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Post by: ys on February 14, 2017, 10:09:19 am
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I would suggest that Russians living in more rural communities probably(?) have much better access to decent foods.
Here is the thing. Yes, home grown food in rural areas is by far the best choice. But it is not a staple. It is simply an addition to a staple which is commercial bread, cheap pasta, potatoes, all cooked in vegetable (and very often refined) oils. Sweet pies and supersweet jams are very common. Everyone puts lots of sugar in their tea, usually 3 tea spoons. Sugar is valued more than meat. While meatless days can be tolerated most Russians cannot be without their sugar. Processed and canned food is very popular. This kind of food is highly entrenched in Russian culture inherited from the soviet days. It will take many decades to wean off of it.
All of these things highly negate the benefits of clean garden vegetables.
There are so few natives remained in the far north who still live like their ancestors that it can safely be ignored. Probably not more than a thousand. As a child I remember I was reading stories about those people where once a year they would cull some of the rain deer herds and they would eat it right there on the spot and be covered in blood all over.
Pre-western Siberians definitely had raw meat in their diet, but since have been almost all westernized with packaged and processed food as a staple.
Salo is not fresh raw, it is salted (cured). Dried fish (stroganina), salo, and other raw-ish foods are simply an occasional snack.
On the other hand most healthy conscious people follow American fashion such as low animal fat, high carbs, whole grains etc. Russian media simply reprints popular American "healthy" sites.
Big cities are the best places to find clean food but it will take lots of effort to track the sources since demand is virtually non-existent. In smaller cities you are totally out of luck unless you grow it yourself.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 14, 2017, 11:41:15 pm
No, all I'm saying is I have absolutely no trust in produce shown in that video. Knowing the culture of russian business (much like chinese business) where profits are above all, I would stay away from it. All of it grown in conventional farms using chemical fertilizers and pesticides just like in the US. Even if it is not GMO it is still full of chemicals. I trust US organic label much more than commercial Russian produce.
Most Americans cant afford totally organic diets either....I will agree that people who can afford organic in America are likely much better off than those who can only buy conventional in Russia.
My question is regarding commercially produced foods in Russia v.s commercially produced foods in America? Would you rather eat American Monsanto crops or Russian conventional Market Foods?
Believe it or not there are signs of a transitional movement in Russia, where they may not have the resources to go entirely "certified organic", but they are developing and implementing methods which are healthier than the conventional Big Agra Methods used in America?
Are you saying that you would rather eat GMO Monsanto produced over Russian conventional?
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Post by: ys on February 15, 2017, 11:46:16 am
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Would you rather eat American Monsanto crops or Russian conventional Market Foods?
99% of GMO crops are corn, soy, cotton, and canola. I don't eat none of it even if it is organic. That makes all other green produce basically the same in both countries.
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Believe it or not there are signs of a transitional movement in Russia
You are like that kid who keeps telling himself Santa is real.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 16, 2017, 12:04:14 am
No need to be condescending....Perhaps you dont live in the same America I have Lived in?
It is now government policy to promote more organic based agriculture in Russia.....Putin himself is promoting and pushing for an increase in organic production....while in America the politicians are doing everything possible to prohibit the expansion of organics through legislation such as the Dark act...We are being Run by hypocrites like Obama who feed his own children organic, and the congress who has an organic cafeteria....while they pass bills to limit every school child in this country to a lunch that consist of a dollars worth of GMO slop!
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Post by: ys on February 16, 2017, 08:51:18 am
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It is now government policy to promote more organic based agriculture in Russia
You know nothing, Jon Snow Sabertooth
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Post by: sabertooth on February 16, 2017, 01:49:10 pm
"Im not aware of too many things, I know what I know , if you know what I mean" New Bohemians
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE57onTWQDE (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QE57onTWQDE) Putin has openly supported increasing Organic food production....Putin came out years ago against US chicken for Quality issues in an interview that was edited out by 60 minuets.
While our last administration passes the Dark act, and does nothing to increase organic food production. All the while there is increasing levels of roundup in our food supply, the government spikes our water with fluoride, our required vaccine schedule is insane. Hormones and drugs which are illegal in animal feeds overseas are being used by the largest american producers...
Im open to re-conditioning of my world view, please provide relevant info, besides anecdotal observations from decades ago, which would better educate me. I would be particularly interested in comparative studies regarding overall health and cognitive functioning of Russian , Vs American youth....I am out here screaming from the roof tops that something is going on with the Children of our Nation...... lower intelligence, autism disorders, autoimmune disease , allergies, ect, are fucking epidemic over here...we have a government that for the most part is ignoring the issue and will not investigate the causal factors responsible.....and I would like to know if people in other areas of the world are having similar observations.
Perhaps I have some misplaced optimism that the Russian federation scientist have indeed studied many western practices and have set thier own standards for their own people...I will be the first to agree that the official standards of all governmental entities on this planet will never meet raw paleo standards...but we have to deal with the world as it is, and use what little influence we have for the betterment of conditions for all people...
There are people in that part of the world who need positive encouragement, so I cant see what harm my message can do, even if it doesn't jive with your own world view.
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Post by: ys on February 18, 2017, 07:30:53 am
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I would be particularly interested in comparative studies regarding overall health and cognitive functioning of Russian , Vs American youth....
Putin is a professional liar. That's his job. He has been caught lying countless times. Please ignore everything he is saying.
I would never wish for my kids to grow up in Russia. Things you've listed are peanuts compared with fundamental flaws of Russian culture. Daily smoking and frequent drinking starts at at early teens. More than 60% of russian males smoke. Men's life expectancy is only 64 years. And they too have autism, very high rates of cancer, all sorts of autoimmune disease, etc. I see these things daily. Because I trade oil on the side I follow what's going on in Russia very closely. I read lots of news and follow social networks.
Again, these ugly things are embedded in the culture which you do not understand. The only way to understand it is to live there for some time and I assure you, you would be very happy to be back on American soil. A little organic food here and there will not make a slightest dent in the overall quality in people's lives.
And yes, your optimism is really puzzling to me.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 18, 2017, 01:15:45 pm
Perhaps if you were to visit some of the hollers in the backwoods of Kentucky, you would see that there are plenty of places in America that are equally dismal. My mother smoked cigarettes and her mother and father were hardcore alcoholics..and in general much of the negative assessments of Russia apply to many regions of the United States...Opiate addiction is raging like wild fire in my parts....perhaps my affinity for the Russian people has something to do with how they remind me of many of the rednecks back home. I have a kindred understanding of the Dark Russian Soul, and feel the pain of the folly that has beset those people for far to long.
If you're going to look for fault you'll find it anywhere.” "But I would rather light a candle than curse the darkness" Regardless of the dregs of Russias wasteland, it is still inhabited by millions of beautiful , strong and proud people who may have a chance of one day turning things around and are in need of words of encouragement. My optimism is not aimed at postulating that any immediate Utopia will emerge from Putins Federation...Instead its part of a far reaching vision , a prophesy focused on evoking the spirit of positive change without any attachment to outcome...Give them a Blessing and encourage those children of the new day who are aware and willing to break the cycle...I cannot say how long it will take or what the results may ultimately be...at least i can say I tried.
I would be interested in your view on the subject of global awakening as it pertains to Russia....Ive been watching RT, and shows like the Keiser Report are being run by radical Americans who have been blackballed in American, but are given a Voice through the Russia State media Apparatus, as part of the world wide information war. According to Max Keiser the Federation is actually following some of his economic recommendations, which in the face of sanctions are generally improving their overall economic condition. Also it would at least it would appear like there are people in positions of leadership who are regular listeners to Alex Jones and other anti Globalist avaunt Guards of the Alt Media. They even gave me a very nice article in Russia Mens Health! With all thats going on in the world it would seem that the iron curtains that have separated the people of the world, is being circumvented by new information technology. As unpredictable as things appear to be right now, anything is very well possible that within the next human generation, it only needed people of vision to point the way.
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Post by: ys on February 21, 2017, 07:12:47 am
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Perhaps if you were to visit some of the hollers in the backwoods of Kentucky, you would see that there are plenty of places in America that are equally dismal
I've seen depressed areas/ghettos plenty in this country including Detroit. Those are relatively small in size and quantity. In Russia the whole country is depressed except very few areas like Moscow, St. Petersburg, and handful of other big cities. See the difference? Whole far east (equivalent of 2/3 US area) is insanely depressed. It is so bad that government is offering free land to anyone willing to relocate. Very few takers.
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Ive been watching RT
RT is a dump. It is pure propaganda 100% financed by Russian government as you indicated. It is not a news channel. It plays with your emotions and tells you what you want to hear.
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I would be interested in your view on the subject of global awakening as it pertains to Russia
Russia has no future as long as it has lifelong autocratic presidents. We are still witnessing crumbling of Russian/Soviet empire. The process has not stopped. I expect Russia will enter a new phase of ugly turmoil and further breakup. I do not see a single bit of any awakening.
In fact, I do not see much awakening in the rest of the world. I've traveled around the world plenty and see the same picture everywhere. 3rd world countries are grossly overpopulated and keep breeding clearing whatever forests have left. Consumerism and gluttony have totally won because average person is greedy and lazy. The only salvation in my view is another world war which will put a stopgap in population growth and overbuilding. All other solutions are way too exotic for our simplistic human nature.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 21, 2017, 09:30:54 am
RT is a dump. It is pure propaganda 100% financed by Russian government as you indicated. It is not a news channel. It plays with your emotions and tells you what you want to hear.
Is all Propaganda Bad? also I seriously doubt host like Max Keiser and Jessie Ventura are agents of disinformation, like their counterparts in the Fakestream media in America. Keiser has had the same message, calling for insurrection against banker occupation for years, and he was blacklisted by all the major networks in the west who are actively censoring voices of descent...
Thomas Paine was an English born propagandist, whose radical works such as "common sense" and "the age of reason inspired" the founders to enact a revolution....Russian State propaganda is indeed infecting the minds of the westerner, and is countering the propaganda of the west quite effectively....I am not so sure that this is a Bad thing, considering that the corporations which control the major American networks have failed thier duty of providing the raw truth to the people. The mainstream news organisations are not elected representatives of the people, the majority are quislings of the corporate oligarchs.
The Russians in my view are doing us a favor with their counter propaganda programs.
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Post by: TylerDurden on February 21, 2017, 03:27:05 pm
In fact, I do not see much awakening in the rest of the world. I've traveled around the world plenty and see the same picture everywhere. 3rd world countries are grossly overpopulated and keep breeding clearing whatever forests have left. Consumerism and gluttony have totally won because average person is greedy and lazy. The only salvation in my view is another world war which will put a stopgap in population growth and overbuilding. All other solutions are way too exotic for our simplistic human nature.
Exactly. Some of the things that prevented disaster in the past were the regular plagues that destroyed civilisations as they grew too powerful, plus things like gradually overcultivated/oversalted agricultural areas helped to slow down things. Now, only a really big world war could make the world population drop dramatically. Even that may not save the total destruction of the environment. Already, the world is experiencing mass droughts in many areas. If there is no world war, I see a nasty, very slow gradual decline of humanity until extinction, whereby humans in subsequent generations get ever fewer resources each generation after the next, live in places that get ever more and more polluted as time goes by.Plus, the number of human birth-defects is rising inexorably as well, not a good sign.
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Post by: RogueFarmer on February 21, 2017, 05:02:08 pm
99% of GMO crops are corn, soy, cotton, and canola. I don't eat none of it even if it is organic. That makes all other green produce basically the same in both countries. You are like that kid who keeps telling himself Santa is real.
Russia has banned and also has less money for modern pesticides which are much more harmful and persistent than DDT which launched the whole environmental movement to counter it.
Even organic food in USA is generally of low quality, this is typical of America, produce food at a high cost lacking in nutrition, flavor and quality.
I know of many farmers in America who are nearly organic by default because they don't have extra money to buy chemicals. Chemicals aren't cheap and you said Russia is broke, sounds like a good place to move to whether I'm interested in building a home or business.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 21, 2017, 11:30:20 pm
Exactly. Some of the things that prevented disaster in the past were the regular plagues that destroyed civilisations as they grew too powerful, plus things like gradually overcultivated/oversalted agricultural areas helped to slow down things. Now, only a really big world war could make the world population drop dramatically. Even that may not save the total destruction of the environment. Already, the world is experiencing mass droughts in many areas. If there is no world war, I see a nasty, very slow gradual decline of humanity until extinction, whereby humans in subsequent generations get ever fewer resources each generation after the next, live in places that get ever more and more polluted as time goes by.Plus, the number of human birth-defects is rising inexorably as well, not a good sign.
Nature will find a way to put humanity in line with or without our interventions. When the imbalance becomes too great there will be a breaking point, and the prevailing order will be plowed under. We are far from the point of absolute disillusionment, and it is my belief that we must go head long into the whirlwind of catastrophe in order to reach the next plateau. By forestalling the inevitable by means of artificially culling and controlling the population though chemical sterilization, out right genocide and intellectual subversion, the best intentions of the misanthropic Malthusians will in all likelihood prevent humanity from reaching the critical mass needed to reach the escape velocity to reach the higher plains of evolutionary potentiality, that is humanities birth right.
People no longer have the heart to enter into a new world war, and with the destructive capacity of modern warfare, such a thing would be the most idiotic way to manage the human problem. People wouldn't go for it and so it would have to be a war of robot drones and mechanical bombardments launched by the most wretched and deranged of the Malthusian elite against everyone else...it would not be a war, but an extermination...that would indiscriminately kill both the strongest along with the weak of our species....any benefits in such programs of mass population reductions would be offset by fact that it would only delay the inevitable , while at the same time not allowing the crisis point to be reached, by which our species as it has always been able to overcome by evolving dynamic solution's.... from the most primitive single celled organisms to our present form...the spirit of life will not allow itself to be subjected to restraint.
This is an age at the cusp, the Malthusians are dead set in the belief that we are all doomed, though they are forgetful of the fact that every age is rounded to a close by some form of apocalypsia. Lucky for us humans who still have hearts full of hope and love, there are a few rare souls who have the vision of the age of Aquarius dawning, in which the world will come together, and in the span of the next thousand years of peace and prosperity, will take the next step forward, and God only knows where that will take us. Through the transition there will be great strife, while in the cocoon it would appear the Caterpillar is dead, when the Forrest gave way to the Savannah the monkeys left the trees and had to learn to walk.
This is an evocation, in the spirit of the fish that had the dream of one day conquering the land.... and now the progeny of that brave fish has made that dream a reality.... it is now time for us to dream the impossible dream.
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Post by: sabertooth on February 22, 2017, 03:58:28 am
After thinking about it, Maybe it wasn't necessarily a fishes dream to conquer the land, the pre amphibians faced conditions quite similar to modern humans in many respects. They were often crowed into small pools of water that would grow smaller and smaller, stripped clean of all nurishment.
These poor pathetic creatures were our most early land ancestors. Fish with fins adapted to traverse the shallows and eventually over solid ground....when times were good they eeked out a decent existence....but when the water began to dry out (because of nature caused climate change) they had to face hellish ordeals just to survive. They would wallow around in muck desperately gasping for air through mud clogged gills...barley alive, some adapted quickly and were able to hibernate under the mud, eventually they evolved the lungs needed to breath the air and from then on the world belonged to them/US
Only a select few made it out of the shallow death pits, and not all of us will make it out of the tumult of the new era. This understandably is not what people would like to hear, and so the masses are easily lead by those like the Malthusians who claim to have a plan to save us from our selves. If only we utilize reasonable measures to limit the population and cull out unwanted human traits and behaviors, then it would buy us the time we need to perfect the mastery of technology, and then everybody who wasn't exterminated would live happily ever after.
The problem with the misanthropic Malthusian thinking is that it fails to take into account the X-Factor of the spirit of life. I profess that there is a living spirit embedded into the coding of our Micro RNA. It constantly reads the environment and makes the appropriate reconfiguration of the DNA code. In our species, the mechanics of this evolutionary marvel, has reached a much higher level of complexity than is currently understood. In attempting to comfort and pacify the misery inherent in life through artificial means, and to cull out our innate human traits that do not fit into a technocratic society, they are in essence disrupting the feed back systems between the RNA functioning and the Conscious human mind!
The protocol being suggested such as chemical birth control, genocide through war, culling through poisons and bioweapons...as well as the general out of sync with the natural world ethos of our day, will lead to increasing disharmony between Gaia and the human species, so that even those who make the Grade, may still suffer from even greater afflictions than if we would just let nature take its course.
Think of the Legend of Logan(Wolverine from the X-Men...Imagine People who live on the wild fringes and are not subjected to the sterilization, vaccinations, and environmental corruption....A quantity of humans who live unadulterated, and fully tuned into their own innate evolutionary capacity...Such People may indeed within the next few of generations, develop remarkable powers of rejuvenation and a greater capacity of the evolutionary machinery to creatively adapt. The Micro RNA of these Mutants would be able devise the solution for our problems without the need all these elaborate genocidal measures. If enough of Us can hold on and never surrender, just as those suffocated fish in the primordial pond, then by the grace of Gaia when all the vaccinated GMO masses are being culled off by the bio weapons releases, the spirit of survival will carry the X-Humans forward.
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Post by: ys on February 23, 2017, 01:20:14 am
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Sounds like we are all DOOMED!!!!
I do like the idea of prepping very much. But I'm not doing much about it myself except a small arsenal of guns and ammo.
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Is all Propaganda Bad?
Yes, yes, and more yes. Anything government controlled is distorted and convoluted. There is no need to turn to RT junk if you don't like mainstream news. There are other much better sources. I personally like hotair.com among other things.
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Russia has banned and also has less money for modern pesticides which are much more harmful and persistent than DDT which launched the whole environmental movement to counter it.
When I visited few years ago, industrial animal feeds was very popular, considered technologically advanced, as opposed to natural feeds. And now, when severe economic turmoil is in full swing, almost no one cares about quality anymore. It is all about quantity and how fast and how much can you bring it to market. I do not trust Russian-made produce just like I do not trust Chinese-made.
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Post by: TylerDurden on February 23, 2017, 02:24:54 am
Talking about not trusting Russian produce... I recall when I was in Kiev in 1995, a whole load of women were selling these mineral-water bottles. The bottles had all quite obviously been previously opened and refilled with tapwater, as they had no seal. Needless to say, I didn't buy any but was surprised that they even made the attempt to sell the stuff.
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Post by: ys on March 06, 2017, 07:29:49 am
I just came back from Filipino supermarket and what I saw in there made me comment more on awakening. Not only I do not see any awakening it looks to me that the world continues to degrade at even more pace.
In this huge place which was packed like sardines can I observed that all shoppers carts were full of packaged food. I took few just to read the ingredients and sure it was either corn starch or corn syrup (most likely GMO) and usual coloring and other junk.
There was also a food court filled with heavily grilled meats of questionable quality and there was a Filipino copy of KFC called Jollybee which servers horrible fried chicken and other garbage. There was considerable lines to both places and not a single free table. Everyone is sipping soda.
No one really cares about what they are eating as long as it taste good. Sure they are probably going to die 20-30 years sooner but still gives them plenty of time to reproduce and their children will be just like them.
Those who do care are the tiniest tiniest minority. All we can do is teach our children to pay attention what they put in their mouth and not be part of this global dumb majority. And it is not even corporations fault. They are simply giving people what they want. They are not hiding anything, all the ingredients are listed in plain language. People are just plain dumb and I don't think you can awake anything in dumb people.
And that's not even my pessimistic view. Simply a reality check.
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Post by: dariorpl on March 07, 2017, 01:06:50 am
The link is blocked in America(former home of the free internet)
Swiss banks (the most respected in the world) and many other banks worldwide will open international accounts for clients of any nationality or residence, except for United States citizens or residents. The US is the only country which taxes it's citizens on their international income even decades after they've left the country and never plan on returning. The US is likely the only country where upon arrival from another country or even while travelling in local flights, you will be irradiated heavily and/or have your genitals groped, probably by a homosexual. The US is likely the only country where you can be fined tens of thousands of dollars a day for planting the wrong kind of tree on your land, or for collecting rainwater, or changing the environment of your own property in any way.
The whole "land of the free and home of the brave " may have true a very long time ago, but certainly isn't the case today.
Disregarding racism and other State policies designed to eliminate minorities, the US is already more tyrannical than was the Nazi regime, and it's been that way for quite a while now, and will in all likelihood continue to move in that direction.
Regarding the video, the one that Eric posted is another episode altogether, if you want the one on raw foods, pm me your email address and I will send it to you
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Post by: TylerDurden on March 07, 2017, 02:06:03 am
Err, I can safely state from acquaintances' experience, that putting money in Swiss banks has been a disaster since at least 10 years ago or more. In the last 20 years, the US/Germany et al have forced the Swiss banks to release all details re account-holders via all sorts of dubious illegal means and sanctions.Plus, the Swiss banks also forced many account-holders to invest in worthless schemes c.2008 which lost them a lot of money. If you really want to invest money, then do so in Burma/North Korea, all countries with no extradition treaties to the US but which are politically and economically-stable.
Incidentally, I have been several times extensively groped in a very homosexual way by British security at British airports. Austrian and French security at respective airports have left me alone. No doubt, the British security wanted to avoid being accused of racial profiling so deliberately targetted me as a result...
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Post by: ys on March 07, 2017, 03:34:45 am
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The US is likely the only country where upon arrival from another country or even while travelling in local flights, you will be irradiated heavily and/or have your genitals groped, probably by a homosexual.
Please stop spreading lies.
I travel internationally several times a year and never experienced these things. I was frisked once and by far it was nothing like groping. I also never observed it with other travelers. Not only I can collect rain water, my village gives away rain barrels for free. I can plant any tree I want on my property.
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Post by: dariorpl on March 07, 2017, 06:09:53 am
Err, I can safely state from acquaintances' experience, that putting money in Swiss banks has been a disaster since at least 10 years ago or more. In the last 20 years, the US/Germany et al have forced the Swiss banks to release all details re account-holders via all sorts of dubious illegal means and sanctions.Plus, the Swiss banks also forced many account-holders to invest in worthless schemes c.2008 which lost them a lot of money. If you really want to invest money, then do so in Burma/North Korea, all countries with no extradition treaties to the US but which are politically and economically-stable.
Incidentally, I have been several times extensively groped in a very homosexual way by British security at British airports. Austrian and French security at respective airports have left me alone. No doubt, the British security wanted to avoid being accused of racial profiling so deliberately targetted me as a result...
Yes, Swiss banks are not what they once where, but they retain the respect they gained in their time of glory. The respect part is all that really matters here. Also, yes, the UK is pretty bad too in this regard.
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Post by: dariorpl on March 07, 2017, 06:13:33 am
I travel internationally several times a year and never experienced these things. I was frisked once and by far it was nothing like groping. I also never observed it with other travelers. Not only I can collect rain water, my village gives away rain barrels for free. I can plant any tree I want on my property.
Please stop saying that I'm lying when I'm not. If you live in the US and you're not aware that these these happen all around you on a very frequent basis, I suggest you take off your pink eyeglasses and look at what's actually happening in reality, and not in your tiny 2x2 world whereby you think all is sunshine and roses until something bad happens to you personally. There's 300 million people in the US, plus many more who travel in and out every year.
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Post by: dariorpl on March 07, 2017, 06:32:39 am
After reading through this thread, I get the notion that ys either grew up in the soviet union, or had relatives who grew up there, and it could be pointless to try to talk with him about this. I've seen this phenomenon before in people who grew up under the horrors of communism. They shut down anything good that could potentially be associated with the same place. So while Russia has a lot of good things going for it, they refuse to admit any of them and continue to cling to western nations as the beacon of freedom that they once represented when compared with the USSR. They even fail to recognize that more and more western countries are increasingly becoming more like the USSR was, while the former USSR countries are mostly moving towards freedom and capitalism.
While it could certainly happen for Russia to break up into smaller parts in the next few decades, and I would ultimately see that as a good thing, no matter what happens, I think Russia and other ex-USSR areas will continue to improve as this century unfolds, and I would not be surprised if within the next 50 years, Russia became the most relevant economic power in the world, with China being in the second place. I suspect many of us, our children and grandchildren will have to learn to speak russian and chinese in order to to stay relevant within the new worldwide economy.
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Post by: TylerDurden on March 07, 2017, 06:38:18 am
I just want to add one more point. A female Indian friend of a relative of mine stated that she would never travel to the US again after being "intimately" searched/groped for the umpteenth time by US security, post 9/11, just because she looked "Middle-Eastern". OK, so, I, personally think that racial profiling is essential if one is going to have even the tiniest chance of thwarting terrorism from the Middle-East, but I draw the line at targetting other non-Muslim-like ethnicities purely for sexual kicks etc.
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Post by: dariorpl on March 07, 2017, 06:47:25 am
I'm sure many RPDers will LOVE this! Probably a good idea to show friends/family that rawpaleo isn't so weird after all...
Great show btw! Thanks a lot for posting :)
I'm surprised I hadn't seen it to this day, given that it was uploaded 2.5 years ago
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Post by: ys on March 07, 2017, 11:46:35 pm
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If you live in the US and you're not aware that these these happen all around you on a very frequent basis, I suggest you take off your pink eyeglasses and look at what's actually happening in reality, and not in your tiny 2x2 world whereby you think all is sunshine and roses until something bad happens to you personally.
OK, how many towns you know that restrict what you can plant and does not allow to collect rain water? And I would like names of those places too.
I've never heard of such nonsense anywhere in the Midwest and that's not tiny 2x2 world. Look at the map. I am very much aware of reality and always call out liars.
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Post by: sabertooth on March 08, 2017, 02:46:36 am
I will agree that the alarmist who claim that America is going to hell in a hand basket are exaggerating the situation...but still there is some validity in the idea that there are subtle forms of tyranny running rampant in the land of the free.
Virtually every town in America has restrictions on what you can plant, if you don't believe me try growing Hemp or Tobacco and selling it at the local farmers market...and you will be sure to be taken away by fully armed men in black uniforms...
Try to organize a community effort to have Monsanto pesticides and herbicides banned on a local level and see how that goes....Vermont attempted to pass a GMO labeling bill only to be circumvented by the Dark Act.
There are also restrictions on the use of well water, and many places have government inspectors falsely condemn wells that are perfectly fine, just because they have some trace level of ecoli....so the locals are forced to pay for municipal water that is often laced with fluoride, chlorine and countless other more harmful chemicals!
These afronts to health and liberty are very subtle and hidden beneath the red tape of local government policy, which in many places in America are enforcing Agenda 21 mandates, under false pretenses.
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Post by: dariorpl on March 08, 2017, 05:58:53 am
I will agree that the alarmist who claim that America is going to hell in a hand basket are exaggerate the situation...
It depends on your definitions and your time horizons. In the short term (5-15 years), the US will suffer the worst economic and financial crisis of all of human history, and it will likely last at least a decade, possibly two or even more, depending on how the State responds to it, but that won't be the end, and most of these policies we're discussing here will have little to do with that, except that they will compound the pain. However, there is a possibility that in the midst of chaos, many of these ridiculous practices will be reversed or go unenforced, if only for lack of resources. The crisis will however subside eventually and people in the US will adapt to a new, lesser standard of living, and things will be ok, most people will survive.
But in the longer scheme of things, the tendency towards tyrannical socialism and eventually communism will continue, and perhaps it will only gain more strenght and push with the crisis. So unless the libertarians grow large in numbers and influence, it could be entirely possible for the US to become the new USSR in 50 or 100 years, and you could have tens of millions of people starving to death in the streets or in prisons where they are held for political reasons, just like the gulags in the USSR. Combine this with the massive host of diseases that will be affecting most of the world. It could be so bad, there may be plenty of independent religious leaders making biblical references and comparisons. Meanwhile, the pharmaceutical industry and the politicians will have to find someone to blame. There's a good chance that it will be people who eat raw foods and drink natural water directly from a well or spring or rain.
The most we can hope for is that there isn't a nuclear war. But the way things are going, it seems like the next logical step will be for the State to manufacture false flag nuclear attacks, or at the least massive chemical weapons attacks, in order to give the people a new invigoration for relentless and neverending war.
There are also restrictions on the use of well water, and many places have government inspectors falsely condemn wells that are perfectly fine, just because they have some trace level of ecoli....so the locals are forced to pay for municipal water that is often laced with fluoride, chlorine and countless other more harmful chemicals!
Also if you drill a well, you are required to inform the authorities with full GPS location of your well. They want to have a digital record with all the wells whereever they are. How dare you provide for yourself and avoid the poisons of tap water. And of course if they wanted to poison your water supply as well, now they know where to go for that.
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Post by: dariorpl on March 08, 2017, 06:00:12 am
OK, how many towns you know that restrict what you can plant and does not allow to collect rain water? And I would like names of those places too.
I've never heard of such nonsense anywhere in the Midwest and that's not tiny 2x2 world. Look at the map. I am very much aware of reality and always call out liars.
If you think with that attitude you're gonna get me to do your research for you and serve it to you on a silver platter, think again.
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Post by: TylerDurden on March 08, 2017, 09:51:41 am
I've loved Ron Paul's online essays for years always predicting the future global economic collapse etc.He seems to be right in the minor details but, sadly, wrong re the total catastrophe prediction.
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Post by: dariorpl on March 08, 2017, 08:08:18 pm
I've loved Ron Paul's online essays for years always predicting the future global economic collapse etc.He seems to be right in the minor details but, sadly, wrong re the total catastrophe prediction.
He's not wrong, he's warning people in advance so that they have plenty of time to prepare. Wait and see. Everything will happen mostly in the way he describes, and for the reasons he mentions.
Ron Paul is not an expert on these matters, however. But he's got most of it right because he's basing his thoughts on the matter both on sound theory that he himself comprehends fully, and on the advice of the relatively few experts who know what they're talking about.
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Post by: sabertooth on March 09, 2017, 01:57:59 am
Nobody knows jack shit about these issues.... at least nobody in any position of an authority who has the power to do anything..There of course is the illusion of power and the illusion of free will...but if you look deeply into how these ideals and best laid plans play out it hardly seems like there is a plan for the planet at all...just one continual morpho-genesis....
Though nobody knows for certain, it would seem beneficial having people who function as collective humanities immune system, give out warnings and raising awareness..in doing so we can act collectively to forestall any such ultimate collapse, and work towards eeking out justice by and by...This is an age old game of holding out for as long as possible even in the face of Doom....and somehow things will or will not work out in the end...either way "the die has been cast"
In the process of historical progress there are continually shifting balances, alliances, and compromises....generation and degeneration...Apocalypse and Phoenix..it continues to this day, so its hard for me to believe in any truly dooms day scenario...sure it will be in a state of continual flux, like the fall of classical civilization to the dark ages, then back to the age of Reason. Who knows it may take another great fall in order for the stars to align themselves for the dawning of the Aquarian age...2012 was not the end of the world, it was merely an arbitrary date that some ancients set for the transition between ages.
The Liberators of Rome thought that by killing Caesar they could restore the Republic, when in reality they were just idealist and dreamers who failed to see that the Ideal of the republic was never a reality, and power would always be under siege by a strong man who controlled the murderous legions. The end result was that after a bloody civil war...nothing significant happened and Octavian, who was the original hand picked heir, inherited the throne after hunting down the Republican Coup...This story plays out again and again and is depicted in our modern day, in real life and in fictions...in the movie the twelve monkeys, the attempts of science to save the world, actually bring on its destruction.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q54VyCpXDH8 (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q54VyCpXDH8) Its all part of a Hegelian Dialectical drama which is playing out before the collective human super consciousness phenomenon.
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Post by: ys on March 09, 2017, 12:20:53 pm
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Virtually every town in America has restrictions on what you can plant, if you don't believe me try growing Hemp or Tobacco
Cannabis and tobacco are federally regulated. The emphasis was on plants in general and these two definitely do not fall into general category.
There are probably some gated communities that are more strict about plants but those are few and far in between.
I do not know much about wells but I never heard anyone not being able to collect rain water using rain barrels. Again, gated community might be against such thing.
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Try to organize a community effort to have Monsanto pesticides and herbicides banned
That's not what we need. All we need is full disclosure so we can choose for ourselves what to buy and what to avoid. If someone is OK with pesticide food let them have it. It is no different that letting people smoke.
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Post by: ys on March 09, 2017, 12:30:00 pm
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If you think with that attitude you're gonna get me to do your research for you and serve it to you on a silver platter, think again.
Just to show how wrong you are pick a town in random and see if they have such restrictions. Then pick another one and so on. I hope that will open your eyes.
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Post by: ys on March 09, 2017, 12:56:13 pm
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The US is likely the only country where upon arrival from another country or even while travelling in local flights, you will be irradiated heavily and/or have your genitals groped, probably by a homosexual.
This is also not true. How many times have you traveled to the US? No one get searched when arriving to the US, except maybe if you are a foreigner raising serious alarms and only after extensive immigration interview. And these things are rare exceptions.
You get searched when you board the airplane and that is a standard practice all over the world.
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Post by: TylerDurden on March 09, 2017, 03:55:15 pm
Er, sorry but the rate and severity of being searched varies across the globe. In the UK, it is often quite severe with lots of genital groping, and idiotic "reverse racial profiling" practices, in Austria one hardly even notices a thing, with searching people being rather rare. And the US TSA scandals mentioned in the media in recent years have been appalling, with huge outcries from the public.
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Post by: sabertooth on March 10, 2017, 03:37:55 am
wells but I never heard anyone not being able to collect rain water using rain barrels. Again, gated community might be against such thing.
That's not what we need. All we need is full disclosure so we can choose for ourselves what to buy and what to avoid. If someone is OK with pesticide food let them have it. It is no different that letting people smoke.
I disagree, its not enough to simply get the information to the public, we are already fallen upon idiotic times where most people cannot understand the true implications of these abhorrent practices, and thier ignorance effects everyone else. Just think about the implications in the context of socialized medicine and the fact that it cost ungodly amounts of money to pay for peoples poor life choices.
Local control is desperately needed if the people are going to stop trans national corporations from polluting our world. Pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers know no boundaries and leach into the total environment, it becomes part of the water we drink, air we breath, and the food we eat. Certain areas of Eastern Kentucky where mining operations have contaminated the water tables, there are vast increases in certain types of cancers in both humans and animals! These trouble areas are not being identified by the powers that be, so most people dont have a clue on where best to live to avoid the environmental degradation, and many who are aware do not have the resources to escape( like the people of Flint)
If at local state and city levels the worst practices could be banned and there be put in place struct buffer zones between human habitats and industrial pollution areas, then we could begin to build strong holds of ecological integrity by which to fortify communities of like minded people, against the more idiotic practices of the industrialism.
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Post by: ys on March 10, 2017, 12:09:42 pm
First, I would hate if someone would tell me what I can eat and what I cannot eat.
Second, people naturally do not like control and often rebel against it.
Third, smoking is equally polluting. Polluting resources it takes to grow it and then tons and tons of it all goes up in smoke. Try banning smoking and see how much backlash you are going to get.
Industrial pollution is another subject. I agree big polluting industries must be tightly controlled.
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many who are aware do not have the resources to escape( like the people of Flint)
It is very easy. Pack your bags and drive away. It is hell of a lot easier than millions of people that come to this country every year with only what they can carry in their hands and not speaking a word of English.
Go to any large metropolitan area (except maybe California where prices are out of control), rent small and cheap apartment, work for a minimum wage during the day, and study at night. It is not easy but very doable. I know many people who did just that and became very successful.
I see plenty of those who have the privilege of being born in the USA and totally taking it for granted. They are clueless how lucky they are to be born here and not in some 3rd world dump or worse yet somewhere in Africa.
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Post by: ys on March 10, 2017, 12:12:56 pm
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In the UK, it is often quite severe with lots of genital groping, and idiotic "reverse racial profiling" practices
Again, you are talking about being searched when you are about to board the airplane. dariorpl was saying specifically being searched upon arrival to the USA and it is absolutely not true.
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Post by: sabertooth on March 10, 2017, 11:00:02 pm
First, I would hate if someone would tell me what I can eat and what I cannot eat.
Second, people naturally do not like control and often rebel against it.
Third, smoking is equally polluting. Polluting resources it takes to grow it and then tons and tons of it all goes up in smoke. Try banning smoking and see how much backlash you are going to get.
Industrial pollution is another subject. I agree big polluting industries must be tightly controlled.
It is very easy. Pack your bags and drive away. It is hell of a lot easier than millions of people that come to this country every year with only what they can carry in their hands and not speaking a word of English.
Go to any large metropolitan area (except maybe California where prices are out of control), rent small and cheap apartment, work for a minimum wage during the day, and study at night. It is not easy but very doable. I know many people who did just that and became very successful.
I see plenty of those who have the privilege of being born in the USA and totally taking it for granted. They are clueless how lucky they are to be born here and not in some 3rd world dump or worse yet somewhere in Africa.
Through the FDA people are already being told what they can and cant eat, people do not have a choice in what is deemed approved safe for human consumption by these agencies. Chemical pesticides, herbicides, fluoride, and unsafe levels of other pollutants are already in the food supply, and are not being properly regulated...instead it would appear that the agencies are working against the best interest of the health and freedom of the people.
People need to rebel against this current system of corporate corruption of our food supply.
I agree that with true grit, that certain individuals like ourselves can take initiatives to escape the trap...but for the vast majority who have not the will or wherewithal there is little chance...especially for the children of our working poor who have no choice in what they are fed and bare the brunt of the processed food epidemic.
Do people who chose to eat processed foods over healthier options actually have a choice, considering how so many are raised on sugar cereal, soda pop, and TV dinners...when you consider how these poor quality foods have been so heavily subsidized by the government that for reasons of cost and convenience, people have moved away from healthier and more expensive options.....But if the true cost of these foods were to be paid upfront...the cost of treating diabetics factored into the price of each soda pop, the cost of cancer factored into every herbicide laced grain, the cost of dementia factored into low fat processed fad foods...then people may indeed be better motivated to chose healthier options....but as long as the government continually subsidizes shitty life choices and unbalanced ecological practices through corrupt regulatory machinations, the kind of freedom YS is alluding to is illusory.
Smoking is not such a cut and dry issue either....before industrialization people smoked pipe tobacco, cigars and chewed...and there wasn't nearly the rates of cancer of today. I have ancestors who smoked and chewed tobacco up into their 90s without any major issues. The tobacco of today under the current regulations is fertilized with radioactive minerals, and heavily treated with chemicals. Yet because of the police state system, independent organic based operations are regulated and taxed out of business while the conglomerates have cornered the organic tobacco market and charge exorbitant rates for a plant that should be dirt cheap.
Title: Re: TV show (42mins) episode on Raw Animal Foods! (Bizarre Foods by Andrew Zimmern)
Post by: ys on March 14, 2017, 05:25:02 am
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but for the vast majority who have not the will or wherewithal there is little chance...especially for the children of our working poor who have no choice in what they are fed and bare the brunt of the processed food epidemic.
I just don't see it that way. It is universally accepted fact everywhere in this country that sugary pop is not healthy, fast food is not healthy, yet, everyone is drinking it and eating it. People choose to eat unhealthy while fully knowing about it. I just don't understand why you care so much about them if people themselves don't give a shit.
Title: Re: TV show (42mins) episode on Raw Animal Foods! (Bizarre Foods by Andrew Zimmern)
Post by: TylerDurden on March 14, 2017, 05:45:00 am
The real problem with humanity is selfishness. Short-term selfishness, that is. Selfishness with very long-term goals is fine and necessary for survival, though.
Title: Re: TV show (42mins) episode on Raw Animal Foods! (Bizarre Foods by Andrew Zimmern)
Post by: sabertooth on March 15, 2017, 12:08:36 am
"Power and the money, money and the power Minute after minute, hour after hour Everybody's running, but half of them ain't lookin' It's going on in the kitchen, but I don't know what's cookin' They say I gotta learn, but nobody's here to teach me If they can't understand it, how can they reach me?" Collio
I just don't see it that way. It is universally accepted fact everywhere in this country that sugary pop is not healthy, fast food is not healthy, yet, everyone is drinking it and eating it. People choose to eat unhealthy while fully knowing about it. I just don't understand why you care so much about them if people themselves don't give a shit.
For me its more about evoking compassion and understanding, than condemnation for those who because of circumstances beyond their control have been thrown into this world, like a dog without a bone. Many children are born and given corn-sugar laced formula as their first food and grow up addicted to all sorts of unhealthiness, before ever developing a mind of their own to decree whats good or bad. The young are conditioned by adults who know not what they do, and so much of humanity has fallen into this vicious cycle of perpetual ignorance.
The real problem with humanity is selfishness. Short-term selfishness, that is. Selfishness with very long-term goals is fine and necessary for survival, though.
Selfishness is built into our DNA..... the primordial organism knew only one way of life and that was to consume and reproduce, and to everything else be damned...Its a reflection of the star spirit from which life was birthed....the sun consumes everything until nothing but ash is left....It is from the ash of dead sols the spirit of life has sprung....This process of blind consumption would be better understood as something integral for the creation and regeneration of the life cycle.
Long before Mankind there have been examples of great overgrowth of microbes killing off entire ecosystems in the primeval past.....only when kept in check and balance by other co-evolving entities did a stable balance come into being...It would seem that we are entering into a realm where those checks and balances to our primordial drives have been mitigated by our mastery of technology, leaving the monsters from our subconscious free to run amok and we will have to suffer the consequences of upsetting the delicate balance....
Yet there is a feeling that by the all consuming living spirit of providence, a new balance can be attained....sure there are glitches in the system that need to be worked out, but by Jove "where there is a will to survive, nature will find a way to thrive" Perhaps the function of the collective imaginations of perennial optimist is to be found in how the incessant striving for ever more complex and beautiful visions, encourages the lost children of earth onward toward the neo-eden and beyond....
Title: Re: TV show (42mins) episode on Raw Animal Foods! (Bizarre Foods by Andrew Zimmern)
Post by: ys on March 15, 2017, 12:15:35 am
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The young are conditioned by adults who know not what they do, and so much of humanity has fallen into this vicious cycle of perpetual ignorance.
How about your children? What do they eat? I know they are not living with you and it may be difficult for you to control their diet but I'm curious what will be their mindset regarding foods when they grow up.
Title: Re: TV show (42mins) episode on Raw Animal Foods! (Bizarre Foods by Andrew Zimmern)
Post by: sabertooth on March 15, 2017, 12:39:53 am
My children live a few blocks away, and we share custody, I have them on the weekends and some weekdays...Its not a bad arrangement
They eat a mixed and varied diet, No where near my ideal, but they are healthy and happy... I supply much of the meat, and will do my best to provide fresh produce and spring water...but their mother is a SAD girl who eats a lot of grains and sugars...The girls will eat raw meat, eggs, bone marrow and my middle daughter loves raw fresh liver....Ive been reported to CPS about 5 times by anonymous teachers at their school, but once they learn about who I am and see that everyone is perfectly healthy they dismiss the case
We have worked out a compromise...no GMO, limited refined sugars, fluoride free toothpaste, non vaccination....They go to public schools which I dont care much for, but I try to counter much of the propaganda...I read different books to them,( the original "Pinochio is a favorite") and Im currently reading them Hesses "Sidhartha". I also play philosophical tapes, and let them know how I feel about the state of the world...
For the most part they are wild and free spirited...I have no design to have absolute control over their minds or their lifestyle choices, and only try to plant the seeds of wisdom and lead by example in the hope that as they grow up they develop a strength of character and sense of awareness needed to plot out a course for the good life...whatever that may be
Title: Re: TV show (42mins) episode on Raw Animal Foods! (Bizarre Foods by Andrew Zimmern)
Post by: ys on March 15, 2017, 10:19:57 am
Your kids is where you have a chance to succeed. Most people on this planet including your ex will never change their ways no matter what you do and say. Spend your efforts where it counts.