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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: PaleoPatsy on May 12, 2017, 04:44:00 pm
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Hi guys, thanks for welcoming into your forum :D
I've been paleo for coming up to a year now and have just started looking into dehydrating my own meats to make jerky and other homemade dried goodies. I've found it fairly hard to find a great, small dehydrator to use at home. What ones do you guys use and recommend? And is there anything I should look be keeping an eye out for?
Thanks in advance for your help,
Patsy
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Well, my own dehydrator is rather large with 3 or 4 circular trays to put the raw meat on. It's also an Austrian make, so no point in mentioning the brand. I would recommend a large dehydrator, though, as the dehydrator does massively reduce the size of the raw meats after dehydration.
Other points:- I personally find that fully dehydrated meat is too tough for me and prefer to just do a partial dehydration. I find that even minor processing such as mincing or drying tends to lead to issues re digestion( or eating too much in the case of minced-meat). But others would differ on this.
Oh, out of curiosity, are you cooked-palaeo or raw-palaeo?
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I use a Nesco FD-61. I think I paid around $50 usd for it and it comes with 5 trays and you can add more. I set the temperature to 95 and it usually takes about 48 hours for the meat to dry.
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I just cut small strips and hang my meat in front of a high speed fan, air drying it at room temperature, over a couple of days works just fine, no machine.
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Oh wow, you're all so friendly thanks so much for all your replies and feedback.
I've been looking through all the smaller tiered dehydrators, and think they might end up being too small so I think I will have to go with the bigger varieties with 5 + tiers so that I can make larger quantities. Has anyone found a timer to be incredibly useful? As I'm currently looking between two options which are very similar except one is a tad more expensive but includes a timer.
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Interesting, how long do you find works best for you for a partial dehydration? I have had similar thoughts and am a bit worried about digestive issues.
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I just cut small strips and hang my meat in front of a high speed fan, air drying it at room temperature, over a couple of days works just fine, no machine.
Interesting, do you find this produces more of a biltong than a jerky?
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Sorry, Paleopatsy, I seem to have been using your past post to answer, and somehow deleted stuff. Sorry, I will try again to answer:-
"I prefer just dehydrating at c.37 degrees Celsius for 2 days. I am actually seriously considering, though, to dehydrate all my meats until they are all full dehydrated. I suppose I will have to start with much larger pieces than usual, and then, while I am in the mountains, rehydrate them over 4-6 hours to see if they regain their water-content. My main interest in beef jerky is to carry lots of food but weighing as little as possible. For hiking, apparently most of the weight in the rucksack consists of food and water. I don't need water given the plentiful lakes and streams in the area I will be visiting, but the dehydrated meat would solve the weight-issues.
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You can air dry into jerky that will preserve just as well as heat drying. Sometimes I will dry for a couple of days and put it into a large jar, then if it starts to weep moisture, fan it out until entirely dry. The end product is virtually identical to heat dried jerky, exept that if there was any fat in the cuts it would still be present in air dried, while in heated most of it melts away.
Even fatty cuts of meat can be dried this way, and stay good for weeks, though eventually the fat will go a little rancid, but even if it begins to turn it is still edible, as long as there is no visible mold.
Ive have a vacuum sealer and could feasibly preserve a lean cut air dry jerky for over a year, if so inclined....but Im too hook on fresh flesh to go through all the trouble.
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I believe oxidized fat in something we should avoid. I believe you can actually feel the difference energy wise. In nature fat wouldn't hang around very long, as scavengers would quickly devour it. And yes, all the stories of the inuits and american plains indians with there pemican and fermented fish ect... but they also needed to survive their winters, and most likely didn't ponder much over whether one food was causing harm on a cellular level. They were desperate for calories instead. I always suggest people to pay particular attention to how fresh their fats are.. as I'm always amazed at how insensitive most are to rancid or oxidized fats and oils.
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I think(?) that the fat only oxidises on the surface of the meat so is not as bad as all that..?
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I buy half inch thick pieces of back fat,, flat pieces. In two weeks in the fridge, it has a very off smell, one that I've grown to listen to. I have attempted to skim off the outside 1/8 inch only to find the remaining 3/8 thick portion smells the same.
When meat dries, it shrinks, thus squeezing out fat that is inter celluar, exposing it to oxygen....
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I buy half inch thick pieces of back fat,, flat pieces. In two weeks in the fridge, it has a very off smell, one that I've grown to listen to. I have attempted to skim off the outside 1/8 inch only to find the remaining 3/8 thick portion smells the same.
When meat dries, it shrinks, thus squeezing out fat that is inter celluar, exposing it to oxygen....
Interesting, thanks, that makes sense. Still, I will try dehydrating some raw pig's tongues in the near-future as I have only tried raw fresh muscle-meats so far for drying out. Tongue is 50-60% fat so it should be interesting to see what happens.
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I believe oxidized fat in something we should avoid. I believe you can actually feel the difference energy wise. In nature fat wouldn't hang around very long, as scavengers would quickly devour it. And yes, all the stories of the inuits and american plains indians with there pemican and fermented fish ect... but they also needed to survive their winters, and most likely didn't ponder much over whether one food was causing harm on a cellular level. They were desperate for calories instead. I always suggest people to pay particular attention to how fresh their fats are.. as I'm always amazed at how insensitive most are to rancid or oxidized fats and oils.
Of course I will freeze the majority of my fats and agree that fat is best fresh, and I agree oxidized and rancid fats are not ideal, but in my experience home made jerky fat seems to keep fairly well for at least a few weeks or so, before starting to turn, and even then I would say the benefits of the fats outweigh the detriments up to a certain point.
My advice for fatty jerky is given with the catch that it should be eaten before rancidity reaches the point of revulsion....Typically once all the moisture is dried out of the meat, if you keep it in a cool place and air it out regularly, the melty streaks of fat taste absolutely delicious and you can take with you on short treks as travel food without need of refrigeration.
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I believe oxidized fat in something we should avoid. I believe you can actually feel the difference energy wise. In nature fat wouldn't hang around very long, as scavengers would quickly devour it. And yes, all the stories of the inuits and american plains indians with there pemican and fermented fish ect... but they also needed to survive their winters, and most likely didn't ponder much over whether one food was causing harm on a cellular level. They were desperate for calories instead. I always suggest people to pay particular attention to how fresh their fats are.. as I'm always amazed at how insensitive most are to rancid or oxidized fats and oils.
Hi Van, do you think this applies to Biltong as well? It's one of my grab and go supermarket snacks -[
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I don't know 'Biltong'. Sorry.
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I don't know 'Biltong'. Sorry.
Biltong is very similar to jerky, except the meat used is usually a lot thicker and the drying process involves vinegar as well as salt. Super tasty <3
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with pemican or dried meats, it's hard to determine how much you need, as there's not much of a 'stop' to inform you. Early natives did it out of necessity. My guess is they relished fresh meat after a long winter eating dried. Hopefully you'll develop a taste for fresh and find extra nourishment it provides.
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I am already looking at raw meats I feed that cat and thinking how good it would be, so I think I am almost there!
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I got some store bought beef jerky a few days ago to try. It was very expensive and not very good. I thought it was going to be a passing fad but I got a taste for some again today and am bidding on a 4 tray Excalibur. They go new at walmart for 115 dollars and my bid is a little over half that including shipping for a used one on Ebay. I saw some nice all stainless commercial ones that start at 155 dollars new including shipping there but I'm not sure if I want a great big one due to space and cost so I'm going to try for a medium one and see how it goes. It will fit nicely on top my microwave that I never use anymore lately. I used to have one of those small plastic round ones but it got broke up from moving. It was OK but I'd rather have something a little bigger and better used for the same price. I figure if I use one like that till it breaks I will have earned the right to invest in a commercial one and maybe put it where my microwave now sits and finally get rid of it.
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I got outbid on ebay for the Excalibur food dehydrator today. Maybe it was for the best.
I ordered a brand new plastic one from Amazon for 42.95 including tax and shipping.
The model I chose was a Westinghouse WFD201W
I chose this model because it was 11 x17" rectangular and supposedly held twice as much as the round ones, taking up the same counter space and it has both a temperature control and a timer. I think the timer will be nice so that I don't have to worry about over drying to the point my food turns rock hard.
The only con was that the lowest temperature setting was 104 degrees Fahrenheit and I like to dry below 100 degrees. After a lot of reading I came to the conclusion that this wasn't a deal breaker and that the extra 4 degrees wasn't going to kill any enzymes and the trade off is worth having the automatic timer that shuts it's self off. There was nothing else in that price range that was square and came with both a timer and temperature setting. I really wanted one with stainless steel racks but after careful consideration, besides price and counter space, the spaces between the racks was kind of big and I was afraid that because I am lazy and like to use my food processor to slice everything that too much stuff would fall through to the bottom and mess things up.
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104° F = 40° C: it should be ok. Its not especially a matter of avoiding the killing of enzymes, but of avoiding the creation of abnormal molecules such as Maillard's, AGE, ALE.
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Thanks for the vote of confidence on the 104 degrees.
Up till I started making tartare I would usually cook a steak extra rare on the inside and burn it on the outside. I feel better not doing that anymore and don't miss it near as much as I thought i would. I suppose I was creating all kinds of nasty chemicals in cooking it that way.
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I have been having a hard time actually getting a dehydrator that I like and can afford on line as well, Ebay auctions are not very good when your internet disconnects every 20 minutes. Lately I have been trying to look through the ones listed on http://www.for-sale.co.uk/dehydrators (http://www.for-sale.co.uk/dehydrators) as they are from many different websites meaning you can automatically cross out the ones that are too expensive.
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Have you heard of bid sniping? Basically you place your highest bit in advance and the service bids in the lowest increments automatically in the last few seconds of the auction till you win or reach your maximum bid. You don't even have to be online at the time you bid. It's great for slow computers because the sniping company uses their own computer to place your bid and theirs are really fast!
I use www.auctionsniper.com (http://www.auctionsniper.com)
You get three free snipes when you try it out and it's 25 cents per snipe or 1% which ever is least after that. You only pay for the snipe if you win and it lets you do bid groups which is kind of advanced but it will let you place several bids into a group and automatically stops sniping once you've won one item or however many you tell it to in the group.
Bid sniping has saved me a lot of time and frustration plus a ton of money!
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My Westinghouse rectangular dehydrator just came. Compared to the round one I had before it's HUGE. It looks well made and seems like a really good dehydrator for the money. I spent a lot more for my old round one but probably paid extra buying it at the store instead of on the internet.
I've got some fatty hamburger defrosting in my sink and I'm going to make some hamburger jerky as soon as it defrosts. Will post the results in the recipe section!
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I spiced up some hamburger and put it in the dehydrator about an hour ago. One thing I noticed was that the temperature is running low. I could feel it with my hand and there is no way it is operating at 104 degrees.
I put a thermometer inside and I have another hand held infrared gun style and both of them are reading barely over room temperature.
I think what is happening is that the temperature set on the machine is of the air that is coming out of it and not the temperature of the actual food which is much lower. The thermostat must be located in the bottom of the machine because everything else is clear plastic. My plan is to keep turning the temperature up every hour till it reaches around 100 F. degrees and try to maintain that temperature no matter what the temperature on my machine says. It probably doesn't help that I went and put 3 pounds of ground beef in there. I also adjusted the trays so that there is maximum space between them for more air circulation.
I guess this is only a minor inconvenience to me but could be a potential disaster for anyone that doesn't have a thermometer.
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Damn! I just looked up my Westinghouse WFD201W dehydrator and was considering buying another one on Amazon and they jacked up the price another 30 dollars in less than a week! I can still buy one on Ebay for a mere 10 dollars more but I think I'll wait and see if the price comes back down again and see how bad I actually want a 2nd one. Now I feel bad for giving it a 5 star rating and writing such a good review about it! Maybe my review is the reason they raised the price so high!
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OMG! I can't believe it. I just put the dehydrator from Ebay in my shopping cart and went to take the trash to the dump while I was thinking about it. By the time I got back the price had gone up from 50 to 90 dollars! I found one at Walmart.com for 52 dollars including tax and shipping. It was the last one they had so I snapped it up. What is with these people? For 42.95 this dehydrator is a great deal but for 90 dollars it's an over priced piece of plastic!
It will be nice to have a second dehydrator for fruits or vegetables so I can do two things at the same time. I probably shouldn't be so squeamish about mixing the flavors. First thing I want to try is making sun dried tomatoes with it and if it works out I will by tons of them when they go on sale to dry. I wanted the exact same model in case one of them breaks, I can use the other one for parts. I don't have any of those fruit roll up trays. I may need them to do tomatoes but I'm planning on just using sheets of parchment paper. That should work out well with a rectangular drier. I can just tear off a sheet to length and cut a hole for the part in the middle. That will be one less thing to worry about washing.
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Well that does it! I went to plug my dehydrator in today and it died. I'm pretty sure it was because I added too much coconut to the beef heart jerky I made the day before, because it covered the bottom of the machine and when I went to wash the counter this morning some of it dripped all the way through and ended up on the counter below it.
I'm sending it back to Amazon. Now I'm faced with the prospect of sending the one I ordered from Walmart back too! I probably should because the same thing is going to eventually happen to it.
I'm going to recommend that if you buy a dehydrator, you buy one that has the electronics in the back or on the top so that the dripping food does not affect it's use!
Lesson learned!
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Another way to dehydrate things is to either hang them or make thin disks or strips and place them flat on a rack, then use an electric fan to keep the air flowing.
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I actually considered doing that till I considered how many flies were hanging around. I accidentally left my door open a week or two ago and must have had a hundred of them in my house. If it weren't for that I could place them out in the sun and they would dry like mad here near Death Valley. But I thought about that too and it gets hot enough to fry eggs on the pavement on a cool day so I thought; what's to prevent them from cooking?
I found an 8 tray 12" by 18" dehydrator with the motor and electronics in the back on Ebay for 54.99 with no tax and free shipping that looks almost too good to be true. I read reviews for the same model on Amazon and they were pretty good. I placed it in my cart but I want to think about whether I really need a dehydrator for a day or two before I make up my mind.
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Shouldn't the fan get rid of the flies? When I used a fan to dry lemon peels and pulp, it prevented all fruit flies from proliferating. However, for meat flies, maybe you need a more powerful fan? Since the type of fly that likes meat (house fly) is much bigger and can probably resist milder air flows. Another option might be to use a sort of net or mesh over the top that prevents larger flies from accessing the meat, but allows the air to flow.
Keep in mind that once a thin crust of dried meat has formed on the surface, I don't think flies can do anything about it at that point, since they only feed or lay eggs in fresh, wet meat, and they prefer liquids only (they use their saliva to liquify meats before ingesting it)
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I thought of all that. High powered fans use a lot of electricity. By the time you put all the food in a box to keep the flies off of it you pretty much got all the makings of a dehydrator and might as well buy one.
Hanging the food inside a screen and putting it outside in the sun is a pretty good idea. They actually sell solar dehydrators on ebay but they cost nearly as much as electric ones and don't look very durable. Also as I mentioned, it gets so hot here in Death Valley that putting it out in the sun actually cooks it.
I kept some bee pollen in my car all winter and used to eat it while driving but I had to throw it out in early may because it got too hot and the sun cooked it.
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Here's a link to solar dehydrators on Ebay if anyone is interested.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=outdoor+dehydrator&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H1.Xhanging+dehydrator.TRS1&_nkw=hanging+dehydrator&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=outdoor+dehydrator&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H1.Xhanging+dehydrator.TRS1&_nkw=hanging+dehydrator&_sacat=0)
Here's a link to a large cheap plastic commercial style one with all the electronics located in the back or on top that I am considering buying if I decide to get another one. They are asking 54.99 including tax and shipping for it. Don't know why I didn't see this one before. I did see it on Amazon for 89.00 though. Luckily I'm getting a full refund on the one that broke and canceled my order on the second one. I thought when I woke up this morning I would have made a decision but I still want to wait a little longer and think about it a little more.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Tray-Commercial-Food-Dehydrator-Electric-Dryer-Blower-Jerky-Fruit-Meat-w-Timer-/292088170515?hash=item4401cfc813:g:Jz8AAOSweWVXf3Ls (http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Tray-Commercial-Food-Dehydrator-Electric-Dryer-Blower-Jerky-Fruit-Meat-w-Timer-/292088170515?hash=item4401cfc813:g:Jz8AAOSweWVXf3Ls)
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Here's a link to solar dehydrators on Ebay if anyone is interested.
http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=outdoor+dehydrator&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H1.Xhanging+dehydrator.TRS1&_nkw=hanging+dehydrator&_sacat=0 (http://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_odkw=outdoor+dehydrator&_osacat=0&_from=R40&_trksid=p2045573.m570.l1313.TR0.TRC0.H1.Xhanging+dehydrator.TRS1&_nkw=hanging+dehydrator&_sacat=0)
Here's a link to a large cheap plastic commercial style one with all the electronics located in the back or on top that I am considering buying if I decide to get another one. They are asking 54.99 including tax and shipping for it. Don't know why I didn't see this one before. I did see it on Amazon for 89.00 though. Luckily I'm getting a full refund on the one that broke and canceled my order on the second one. I thought when I woke up this morning I would have made a decision but I still want to wait a little longer and think about it a little more.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Tray-Commercial-Food-Dehydrator-Electric-Dryer-Blower-Jerky-Fruit-Meat-w-Timer-/292088170515?hash=item4401cfc813:g:Jz8AAOSweWVXf3Ls (http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Tray-Commercial-Food-Dehydrator-Electric-Dryer-Blower-Jerky-Fruit-Meat-w-Timer-/292088170515?hash=item4401cfc813:g:Jz8AAOSweWVXf3Ls)
Hanging dehydrators cost 12 USD if you buy them from China (but delivery time will take 2 to 3 weeks)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Layer-Universal-Fish-Net-Drying-Rack-Folding-Hanging-Prawn-Crab-Dryer-Hanger-F-/302275101216?hash=item4661000220:g:X-cAAOSw03lY5fiw (http://www.ebay.com/itm/3-Layer-Universal-Fish-Net-Drying-Rack-Folding-Hanging-Prawn-Crab-Dryer-Hanger-F-/302275101216?hash=item4661000220:g:X-cAAOSw03lY5fiw)
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That's good. The cheapest electric dehydrators start at 25 dollars but they don't have a thermostat to turn down the temperature. You gotta pay 30 dollars to get one of those. I broke down and ordered the one I linked to in my last post. It should be here in a couple days and I'll be able to review it. The main thing I plan on making is ground beef heart jerky. It tastes almost as good as hamburger jerky. Tomatoes are on sale this week but they are the regular ones. Small Romas sliced in half and placed upright so they don't drip are the best for drying.
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Grapes are also on sale but that's way too much sugar for me!
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That's good. The cheapest electric dehydrators start at 25 dollars but they don't have a thermostat to turn down the temperature. You gotta pay 30 dollars to get one of those. I broke down and ordered the one I linked to in my last post. It should be here in a couple days and I'll be able to review it. The main thing I plan on making is ground beef heart jerky. It tastes almost as good as hamburger jerky. Tomatoes are on sale this week but they are the regular ones. Small Romas sliced in half and placed upright so they don't drip are the best for drying.
I ordered the Solar Dehydrator. Do you have any idea how long will it take for tomatoes in these Solar dehydrators?
I also have great interest in ground beef heart jerky. How much ground beef to ground heart ratio do you use?
Heart has the most pleasing taste for me in organs.
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The time it would take would greatly vary. It wouldn't take long at all here near Death Valley but the temperature is so high that I was afraid it would actually cook the meat rather than simply dehydrate it.
I don't use a ratio but maybe that's a good idea! I either dehydrate hamburger or heart burger. I use my food processor to grind up the beef heart but I'm planning on asking my butcher to do it as soon as I run out of heart chunks I already cut up and have stored in my freezer.
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http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Tray-Commercial-Food-Dehydrator-Electric-Dryer-Blower-Jerky-Fruit-Meat-w-Timer-/292088170515?hash=item4401cfc813:g:Jz8AAOSweWVXf3Ls (http://www.ebay.com/itm/8-Tray-Commercial-Food-Dehydrator-Electric-Dryer-Blower-Jerky-Fruit-Meat-w-Timer-/292088170515?hash=item4401cfc813:g:Jz8AAOSweWVXf3Ls)
I am happy with this dehydrator. It easily holds 5 pounds of meat and I don't have to worry about grease dripping down and shorting out the electronics. Great value at 55 dollars. My Nesco America Harvest model can only hold a third as much and costed me quite a bit more when I bought it 20 years ago. It does dry more evenly and faster. It has a way more powerful fan and the heating element is nearly the same power as my cheap commercial one. I been using it in place of a microwave to warm up foods from the refrigerator.
Never imagined I'd be using a dehydrator to warm up food that way. It is just as fast as putting it out in the sun but I don't have to worry about bugs. Warming raw food has become the new cooking for me. 5 or 10 minutes in the Nesco brings jerky from icebox cold to body temperature. The perfect temperature for eating jerky!