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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: pc701 on January 31, 2010, 11:41:03 am
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There is this raw vegan family and their kids i think have been raw vegan since birth and even during pregnancy and it seems that the kids are healthy looking and not underweight and are fat. I'ts weird that alot of vegan and fruitarians end up very skinny yet his kids are chubby...
http://www.youtube.com/user/rawfoodfamilylife#p/u
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Cute video, they seem to be doing a pretty high fat version of raw vegan with lots of durians and coconuts, maybe that's the key to not look like a toothpick. I would've been more interested to see what the kids eat when they're not in a tropical country.
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Maybe the title should say fruitarian day for the white family in Thailand.
"The best exotic fruits you have never heard of" ... he he he, nothing exotic there from where I live.
Cool, they have somewhat the same fruits we've got. Durian season last year me and my son went on a durian binge, 2 weeks of raw beef + durian only.
We load up on coconuts too when we go out of town or to the beach
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im just surprised that their children look healthy not underweight and seem overall healthy, but i dont know if their proper weight/height for their age. But i still read alot of people going vegan or raw vegan and having health problems and i wonder when/if this family will "hit the wall" and finally introduce animal foods in their diet.
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What he and durian rider have in common is durian.
Maybe durian is available all the time in thailand.
Durian is expensive and seasonal in my country.
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Cute video, they seem to be doing a pretty high fat version of raw vegan with lots of durians and coconuts, maybe that's the key to not look like a toothpick. I would've been more interested to see what the kids eat when they're not in a tropical country.
Durian is not so fat (5%), compared to avocado or olive for exemple : http://www.nutritiondata.com/facts/fruits-and-fruit-juices/2088/2
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My taste buds and experience with durian is that it is filling and satisfying.
Maybe that analysis is inaccurate. Or maybe durian nutrition is not within their analysis methods.
During durian season my son and I ate just durian and raw beef for 2 weeks. Happy times.
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I believe that ideally humans are carnivorous, but don't necessarily think that a raw vegan diet of different types of organic fruits is that unhealthy in comparison to a SAD of chips, fried foods, confectioneries, pizzas, processed junk.
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don't necessarily think that a raw vegan diet of different types of organic fruits is that unhealthy in comparison to a SAD of chips, fried foods, confectioneries, pizzas, processed junk.
Depends. If you're getting enough calories and fat from raw vegan, i agree with you. If you're not, like many people experience and keep losing weight (see Yuri's pictures), then raw vegan is a much worse diet than any other diet. I was shocked to learn that women on the 80/10/10 diet stop menstruating. If people can live to 110+ year old on S.A.D then it can't be that bad for the lucky people with strong genes, they would not have lived that long as raw vegan imo.
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Not much fat comes from quality animal meats on a SAD. So much is hydrogenated vegetable oil which is nutritionally worthless.
There are two reasons why raw vegan can stop mensuration
1) because of a lack of nutrients found in meat needed to produce hormones
2) It's common for raw vegans to lose a lot of weight, and menstruation stops in people who practice omnivorous calorie restriction as well.
Definitely I believe raw vegans are lacking a lot of good stuff, but their diet eliminates a lot of bad things i.e. the processed and unnatural foods of SAD.
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I bought their ebook.
The family is dependent on these key tropical fruits:
- durian
- jackfruit
- coconuts
Plus a lot of greens.
When they are in the UK they import these things.
In the ebook they are convinced that humans are vegans. They went into raw veganism because of their then 1 year old son who had very bad asthma allergies. They do know of raw families who supplement their children with raw goat milk and raw eggs and raw meat. But they haven't delved into those yet.
Book convinced me to try out jackfruit again. I bought some before going home this evening.
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In the ebook they are convinced that humans are vegans.
Well the physiology of humans is always shown to be carnivorous with the ability to digest selective plant foods. Is their any scientific basis for their claim that humans are vegans in the book, or have they just concluded that because they 'feel good' on the diet?
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Well the physiology of humans is always shown to be carnivorous with the ability to digest selective plant foods. Is their any scientific basis for their claim that humans are vegans in the book, or have they just concluded that because they 'feel good' on the diet?
That is their point of view because they feel good and the asthma allergies of their son cleared up on that. They mingle around with the other raw vegan gurus so that is how they came to this conclusion.
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Well the physiology of humans is always shown to be carnivorous with the ability to digest selective plant foods. Is their any scientific basis for their claim that humans are vegans in the book, or have they just concluded that because they 'feel good' on the diet?
No, the science shows that humans are omnivorous. There are carnivores who happen to eat plants on occasion(like wolves), but we're not like them.
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No, the science shows that humans are omnivorous. There are carnivores who happen to eat plants on occasion(like wolves), but we're not like them.
We have virtually identical digestive system to wolves though.
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Humans are omnivores because it is an observed current and historical fact.
Human tribes have survived largely carnivorous or largely plant based lives.
Body builders range from largely carnivorous to largely plant based.
Humans as individuals are flexible and have grown, survived and reproduced on varying conditions.
It is due to human flexibility that we rule the world.
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Back to this raw vegan family. Right now they feel good in this diet so they are sticking with it. They are currently in that mindset. Just like some people here who used to do the vegan thing, they are in that mindset and have to be jarred to wake up that extreme diets are a temporary thing. As Stanley Bass said, all extreme diets have value, they have limited value.
In their book they eat hemp seeds for protein. And they supplement with Vitamin D and K2 depending on the season. They know of raw families who supplement with raw eggs, raw goat and raw meat.
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I bought their ebook.
The family is dependent on these key tropical fruits:
- durian
- jackfruit
- coconuts
Plus a lot of greens.
When they are in the UK they import these things.
In the ebook they are convinced that humans are vegans. They went into raw veganism because of their then 1 year old son who had very bad asthma allergies. They do know of raw families who supplement their children with raw goat milk and raw eggs and raw meat. But they haven't delved into those yet.
Book convinced me to try out jackfruit again. I bought some before going home this evening.
Durian and jackfruit are very high in sugar.
What do they say about the benefit to eat these fruits ?
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Durian and jackfruit are very high in sugar.
What do they say about the benefit to eat these fruits ?
In their book they say Durian and Jackfruit are old fruit. Durian being a 110 million year old fruit. That humans are fully adapted to Durian.
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In their book they say Durian and Jackfruit are old fruit. Durian being a 110 million year old fruit. That humans are fully adapted to Durian.
Humans or monkeys ?
These fruits grow in the forest isn't it ?
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Humans or monkeys ?
These fruits grow in the forest isn't it ?
Durians are some of the best fruit out there. Good mix of fat and carbs.
The family is doing well for now, so lets let them enjoy it while it lasts and they will eventually discover later in life that yes they will need some meat in their diet. The daddy is pragmatic, they will do this as long as it feels good.
Same thing we are doing, I'm doing this rpd thing because it feels great.
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durian is perplexing to me
i think it is delicious but have not had it for years
is the smell from sulphur?
if so it would be beneficial to the liver and other disgestion/"detoxification" process of the body
durian is also like a weed in that it grows without the manipulation of humans?(pestiside, fertilize, genetic manipulation)i think this is also true for coconuts
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Durian tastes awesome for those who like it. And smells like the most awful thing to those who don't like it.
I think I'm genetically born to love durian. My children are genetically born to be durian ultra fanatics.
Unfortunately, durian is not a local fruit, it grows in the southern Philippine big island Mindanao and abundant too in Malaysia and Thailand. Thailand has absolutely the best durian in the world.
So durian is expensive for me. So we only buy it during durian season around september. I lost a video (because of the flood) of my then 4 year old boy going on a tantrum because he felt he didn't get an even share of the durian. That was priceless and should have been shared. This is how powerful the allure of durian is. See the videos of Ka Sundance and you will feel the emotion when he mentions the word "durian" and how the whole family shuts up when they are having durian.
Not shown in that video are the many more times they eat greens. Greens are a bigger staplefood for that family, they are not fruitarians.
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Durian and jackfruit are very high in sugar.
What do they say about the benefit to eat these fruits ?
Breadfruit reminds me of durian and jackfruit. I got a fairly ripe one recently at the farmers market. The riper part tasted close to guava this time actually, not like I remember it previously. Of course the texture's different (and not as wet or guavapink).
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Durian and jackfruit are very high in sugar.
What do they say about the benefit to eat these fruits ?
In my eating experience:
Disagree - Philippine Durian is more high fat than sugar.
Agree - Jack fruit IS very high in sugar. CANNOT be a staple food. Of course this is Philippine Jack fruit I'm talking about. Jack fruit may taste different in Thailand.
Although we sometimes have similar fruits, Philippines and Thailand fruits vary in tastes. For example our mangoes taste different from their mangoes. And our guavas taste different from their guavas. And even mangoes or guavas have various varieties even in the same locale. Etc.
We really have to be very specific about the foods we compare whether it be fruit, vegetable or meats.
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In my eating experience:
Disagree - Philippine Durian is more high fat than sugar.
Agree - Jack fruit IS very high in sugar. CANNOT be a staple food. Of course this is Philippine Jack fruit I'm talking about. Jack fruit may taste different in Thailand.
Although we sometimes have similar fruits, Philippines and Thailand fruits vary in tastes. For example our mangoes taste different from their mangoes. And our guavas taste different from their guavas. And even mangoes or guavas have various varieties even in the same locale. Etc.
We really have to be very specific about the foods we compare whether it be fruit, vegetable or meats.
Do you know the variety of the durian you eat ? Is-it wild or selected (like Morn tong, Kop, etc. from Thailand) ?
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Do you know the variety of the durian you eat ? Is-it wild or selected (like Morn tong, Kop, etc. from Thailand) ?
They are called different things and have different tastes. At the top of my head there is PUYAT variety durian and I remember when my mother in law came from Davao city she brought home 3 different other varieties. Not the mon-thock thai variety.
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Here is a raw community :
http://www.pangaia.cc/PrimalLiving.html
They are some videos on the site, and they sell various products.
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There is this raw vegan family and their kids i think have been raw vegan since birth and even during pregnancy and it seems that the kids are healthy looking and not underweight and are fat. I'ts weird that alot of vegan and fruitarians end up very skinny yet his kids are chubby...
http://www.youtube.com/user/rawfoodfamilylife#p/u
I'm puzzled. I watched that video and didn't see any fat kids. The older one appeared below-avg in weight, in terms of fat, muscle and total body appearance. His chest looked rather tiny for his height, even for a young boy, and his stomach area appeared very thin. The younger boy has a slightly chubby face (baby fat), but his body was slim (though not as thin as his older brother--but he may also get thinner as he gets older). The father didn't say they've been vegan since birth. I believe he said the older one started eating vegan at age 3 and the younger one at age 1.
Also, take note that the older child is already developing two prominent upper front teeth and his teeth are somewhat crowded (unlike his father's widely spaced teeth). This is fairly typical for high-plant eaters who don't use traditional detoxifying methods of processing foods and keeping blood sugar under control and don't include at least some fish, eggs or insects. The younger boy's teeth look pretty good at this point, but unfortunately, both boys are likely to develop more dental issues if they continue to eat a nearly 100% raw vegan diet, if the experiences of many folks at raw vegan forums are any indication.
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Here is a raw community :
http://www.pangaia.cc/PrimalLiving.html
They are some videos on the site, and they sell various products.
Pangaia is a little too vegan-friendly, in my opinion, and it is very expensive to stay there. Hawaii is a great place for fruit and fish, though. I hope they'll grow into being less veggie-ish and more self-sufficient, i.e., growing all of their own meat.
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I dont mean to be rude GoodSamaritan but durian has more sugar than bananas, seedless hybrid watermelon, jakfruit, mango or sugar apples!
Durian has 27g of pure sugar per 100g of edible portion and only 3g of fat per 100g of edible portion!!! That is a dangerous amount of sugar!
Durian is fat deficient. A bad choice unless you want to be as skinny as this raw vegan family. 8)
If we feed ourselves fruit or other sugars it will always lead to a binge on chocolate or high sugar meats like oysters, horse etc.
Best thing to overcome addictions is to not fuel them. Cut out all fruit and carbs. Eat more fat when you want something sweet. Raw meat helps the body detoxify sugar cravings. Sure it can take a few years but every time we have sugar, we just set ourselves backwards.
Thanks.
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I dont mean to be rude GoodSamaritan but durian has more sugar than bananas, seedless hybrid watermelon, jakfruit, mango or sugar apples!
Durian has 27g of pure sugar per 100g of edible portion and only 3g of fat per 100g of edible portion!!! That is a dangerous amount of sugar!
Durian is fat deficient. A bad choice unless you want to be as skinny as this raw vegan family. 8)
If we feed ourselves fruit or other sugars it will always lead to a binge on chocolate or high sugar meats like oysters, horse etc.
Best thing to overcome addictions is to not fuel them. Cut out all fruit and carbs. Eat more fat when you want something sweet. Raw meat helps the body detoxify sugar cravings. Sure it can take a few years but every time we have sugar, we just set ourselves backwards.
Thanks.
Disinformation posted by some vegan troll.
Nothing to see here... all disinformation.
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Disinformation posted by some vegan troll.
Nothing to see here... all disinformation.
How is advising high fat zero carb disinformation?
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How is advising high fat zero carb disinformation?
It's not that he or she is advising high fat zero carb. They posted 36 posts all at once, and most of them sound like a fruit. That's my take on it after reading about 15 of them.
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I recommend deleting all raw meat man's posts, as they are all nonsense meant to make fun of us all. He appears to be a Durian Rider fan with the same sarcastic, negative sense of humor who is angry with Primal dieters and was arguing that RPD makes you fat, which he sarcastically claimed to be good, whereas he claimed that the raw vegan family's thinness is bad, but really thinks it's good. I happen to think that they are suboptimally thin, but most fruitarians go into denial about how emaciated fruitarians tend to get. I've seen fruitarians that looked like death camp survivors (they got thinner than me, and that's hard to do :D ) and the other fruitarians accepted it as normal.
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I've already deleted 1 obvious troll post of his re animal rights and whalemeat. Suggest removing all else of his if it's of similiar useless content.
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As much as us Australian raw paleo's hate Durianrider, I must admit that he is spot on with the sugar content of durian being 27-34g per 100g of edible portion. >:
I had some organic malaysian durian and I read the pack yesterday. It confirms it and so do all the nutrition websites on the net.
Just because I dont like someone, doesnt mean I will write off everything they say. I think part of being healthy is having an open mind.
Just me 2 cents. Hope I didnt offend anyone.
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Sure, there's nothing wrong with discussing alternate views(in the hot topics forum etc.). It's just that when people come to the forum purely to mock us, they usually have nothing useful to add, and the very rare piece of info that might be useful tends to be somewhat obscured by the barrage of anti-raw insults etc. that they like to indulge in.
Whatever the case, I'm pleased that raw vegans rarely try to have a go at us, no doubt because we have much in common with them re views on cooking. The trolls we get are usually of the junk-food-eating variety or mindless advocates of cooked low carb diets.
*Edit:- It seems that "leeanne" is just an alias of the raw vegan troll DurianRider or his girlfriend. Well, I guess there's an exception to every rule. *
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Geez Raw meat man, Eskimoe Joe and Freelea(anne) are all Durian Rider. Why would you even bother to troll if your so healthy and satisfied as a raw vegan.
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Geez Raw meat man, Eskimoe Joe and Freelea(anne) are all Durian Rider. Why would you even bother to troll if your so healthy and satisfied as a raw vegan.
While DurianRider is undoubtedly not remotely healthy as a result of his ridiculous 100% raw vegan diet, I doubt he is concerned about that. His main point is that we are contributing to the slaughter of animals through our consumption of raw meats and that we should compromise our health to save the little creatures. Hmm, come to think of it he must think I am especially "satanic" among RPDers ,since I eat a lot of raw wild game and continuously recommend it to others.
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No one has mentioned the aphrodisiac properties of Durian. Indonesians have a saying that goes like this:
"When the Durians come down, the saris come off."
I prefer it to liver for an aphrodisiac!
Not everyone here is on the same page ideologically.
Fruit was meant to be eaten. Unripe fruit is borderline poisonous to protect the developing seeds. When
it gets ripe, it attracts animals to eat the fruit and spread the seeds. In China where there are monkeys, there is a type of dogwood that has a fruit similar to a cherry. I the USA, Dogwoods depend on birds to spread the seeds. The fruit is bitter and oily, but the birds don't mind because they go by sight, not taste.
Here is another link to a Raw Vegan family:http://www.thegardendiet.com/beforenafter.html
If I were these parents I'd be worried. Healthy skin but oh so thin.
Some appear to be doing pretty well, but not all. The oldest girl looks 11 at 14. Will she just mature more slowly?