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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet => Topic started by: Taste Sense on March 02, 2010, 10:34:44 am
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Are they paleo? Due to yesterday's slankers raw ground meat consumption, I couldn't' eat anymore meat today. So I went out and got some macadamia nuts instead. After consuming half the bag (about 6 oz) I did not get a sense of fullness - I could of eaten more. I did enjoy them and even sprinkled some Celtic sea salt on top. So I don't know if they're ok on this diet or out. What is it with eating more nuts than I originally intended? I thought that with high fat content of macadamia nuts I would reach satiety sooner, but I was wrong. Once I cracked one there was no stopping me. Or is is their carb content that was so addicting? Any one can relate?
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Nuts and grains make me over eat, and I'm never satisfied anyway. I think it's the type of protein.
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Were they salted or unsalted? I am ZC and don't eat nuts now, but I have read from others who consume nuts on paleo or regular WOEs that they can and will eat more salted nuts than unsalted. For me, I was more satisfied on raw unsalted nuts before I went ZC.
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Hey Kate,
They were unsalted. The reason being that I don't use any salt other than Celtic. I tried the nuts both ways, with and without. The latter one turned out better tasting. However, I don't know if even Celtic salt is fine long term, since I don't think paleo man could find it, nor have had an idea about adding it to food. Also I am fearful about kidney stones and dehydration from salt. To top it off both the Bear and AV give any salt big thumb down. But yea salt is addicting and makes one overeat, so that could be another culprit.
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IMO, cut out all salt. As a long_term RPDer, I've noticed that salt increasingly has a negative reaction re my health when I eat it in large amounts.
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Nuts are high in phosphorous, anti-nutrients (phytic acid) and often have high PUFAs, although macadamia nuts are the exception with low-PUFA, high MUFA, so they're the best choice.
Long soaking (24 hours) makes the nut easier on the body, but there's still plenty of anti-nutrients to tax the system!
Unshelled nuts are also less rancid than shelled.
My teeth and skin health have suffered on account of high nut consumption over a couple of years before RAF.
Macadamias are great for avoiding the n-3/n-6 PUFAs, if you're trying to re-balance your fatty acid profile and reduce inflammatory tissue.
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If you overdo the meat, best to eat more fat instead of plant source stuff.
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being a raw vegan for sometimes of my life, i consumed tons of best quality nuts and didn't get any benefit out of that.
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Nuts are high in phosphorous, anti-nutrients (phytic acid) and often have high PUFAs, although macadamia nuts are the exception with low-PUFA, high MUFA, so they're the best choice. Long soaking (24 hours) makes the nut easier on the body, but there's still plenty of anti-nutrients to tax the system!
Yea I am aware about the nut trouble. The fact that you have to soak them is a proof right there that they're unfit for human consumption. A peleo human certainly would not have had a clue about soaking, hence taxing the system to its limit, which is no good. In fact she would probably be better off without finding that tree since she might of found nuts tasty and indulged in them until there was none left. It is common sense that nuts are highly allergic for some people. I however, never had a problem, which does not exclude me from the possibility that I was negatively affected. As for the taste, macs are my favorite, followed by pistachios and almonds. Lately I observed that I can overeat them and still feel unsatisfied. I think it's unnatural to eat so much anyway. And my stool sample showed undigested particles, thus confirming bad digestion.
If you overdo the meat, best to eat more fat instead of plant source stuff.
You're probably right, but for now I going to continue to experiment with plants to see which ones (if any) to include in my diet. O carb I think cleaned me up and now I am more sensitive to everything that comes my way.
being a raw vegan for sometimes of my life, i consumed tons of best quality nuts and didn't get any benefit out of that.
A wrap up, nuts are on my survival menu. :D
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Nuts are a source of free radicals, especially shelled nuts, so definitely eat them very sparingly. Furthermore, for their energy density, they do not provide many minerals due to binding by phytates - hence they are anti-mineralising.
I blame reliance on nuts as the reason for tooth enamel/bone destruction, especially in my case - nuts should not be in the diet when there's sufficient nutrients/energy from more appropriate food, like meat/organs/fat and moderate fruit. Of course, you could consider a Nourishing Traditions style approach, which is less akin to our early ancestry.
I've finally started to give up nuts and I know well the lack of satiety from eating nuts, especially when not pre-soaked.
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What do you think about the Aajonus nut formula vs soaking them?
Some say that if you soak a nut than it's not a nut anymore.
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What do you think about the Aajonus nut formula vs soaking them?
Some say that if you soak a nut than it's not a nut anymore.
AV's nut formula consists of smothering the nuts in vast amounts of raw dairy. Total waste of time, doesn't work, and the extra raw dairy is harmful too. Soaking the nuts reduces antinutrients as , I think, it gets them to start germinating(?)
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Soaking the nuts reduces antinutrients as , I think, it gets them to start germinating(?)
Tyler that is sort of what happens. Nuts and seeds are in a dormant state and remain so using enzyme inhibitors. The nut/seed knows when to come out of dormancy when there is adaquate amounts of water to grow. When there is, it releases the enzyme inhibitors/deactivates them and starts to sprout. However some of them like walnuts won't sprout if they are shelled.
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What do you think about the Aajonus nut formula vs soaking them?
Some say that if you soak a nut than it's not a nut anymore.
It's a nut sprout. Does he say you can't soak them?
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Tyler that is sort of what happens. Nuts and seeds are in a dormant state and remain so using enzyme inhibitors. The nut/seed knows when to come out of dormancy when there is adaquate amounts of water to grow. When there is, it releases the enzyme inhibitors/deactivates them and starts to sprout. However some of them like walnuts won't sprout if they are shelled.
Does this follow true for soaking various things such as chick peas? I had always heard that as soon as they start to sprout they are at their nutritional best. Once the sprout is 1/8 " long.
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Hm ... i also tend to BINGE on nuts. I always thought it was just the taste.
What about seeds - same problem ?
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If you stick to pistachios,macadamias and pine nuts,you should be cool.Those three don't need to be soaked.
The other nuts,usually with a brown skin covering,like almonds are a bitch.They have to be soaked and then they dont even taste good anymore.You wind up spending more energy preparing and "digesting" than what you get in return.Not worth it.
Cashews taste great but they usually have a toxin on them(do the research) and they will reak havoc on your system.
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If you stick to pistachios,macadamias and pine nuts,you should be cool.Those three don't need to be soaked.
The other nuts,usually with a brown skin covering,like almonds are a bitch.They have to be soaked and then they dont even taste good anymore.You wind up spending more energy preparing and "digesting" than what you get in return.Not worth it.
Cashews taste great but they usually have a toxin on them(do the research) and they will reak havoc on your system.
now that i think of it indeed macadamias always go down smooth on me while almonds give me stomach pain.
what do you think about walnuts, pecans and hazelnuts ?
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Neurosport: the three you mentioned(walnuts,pecans & hazelnuts) all have a brown skin/covering.Avoid them,they will haunt you.Stick to the best: Macadamias,pistachios and pine nuts.raw organic,of course,is ideal.
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You got to be rich man if you want to binge on those...
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Stick to the best: Macadamias,pistachios and pine nuts.raw organic,of course,is ideal.
Do you shell those pine nuts from a pinecone yourself King Salmon? If not I can guarantee, with almost 100% certainty, that they're heated. It's a hell of a lot easier to heat up the cone so it opens then shake the pine nuts loose than it is to get them out raw.
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Neurosport: the three you mentioned(walnuts,pecans & hazelnuts) all have a brown skin/covering.Avoid them,they will haunt you.Stick to the best: Macadamias,pistachios and pine nuts.raw organic,of course,is ideal.
i don't think i have tried pistachios. i should give them a try.
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djr, check out these guys and let me know what you think:
http://www.rawguru.com/store/raw-food/organic-raw-pine-nuts-1-lb.html
As for me,I haven't eaten pine nuts for a while.My thing is pistachios now.I eat 'em with different varieties of raw organic raisins.I put 'em in a container and much on 'em all day long until I get to my seafood meal or egg smoothie.
Pine nuts are a little "sharp" tasting while pistachios are more mellow.Macadamias are somewhere in between as far as taste and texture.
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Do you shell those pine nuts from a pinecone yourself King Salmon? If not I can guarantee, with almost 100% certainty, that they're heated. It's a hell of a lot easier to heat up the cone so it opens then shake the pine nuts loose than it is to get them out raw.
yes, they are steamed. i stopped eating these long ago, but never found a truly raw source.
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djr, check out these guys and let me know what you think:
http://www.rawguru.com/store/raw-food/organic-raw-pine-nuts-1-lb.html
It's left vague as to the harvesting method so I personally still wouldn't trust them until I spoke directly with them. "Raw" is also a fairly ambiguous term nowadays in regards to the final temperature the food attains. I feel comfortable if the heat peaks around 104*F but a lot of these vendors will push things into the 130's or 140's.
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You gotta be a rich man if you want to be a raw, organic eater. LOL
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It depends what ones goals are, but you can't expect to get ahold of any truly raw nuts either from a store or from an internet purveyor, even if they are labeled raw and are a 'raw' company. Even the cacao beans which are so famously sold as raw have been proved to be heat processed in next to all circumstances. nuts in shell are your best bet but even many types of in shell nuts are heat treated and many are just plain rancid.
The only surefire way to get truly raw nuts is to pick them off a tree yourself, or do the next best step, purchase them directly from a farmer that you trust. Ebay is actually a much more reliable source in buying from farmers than specialty websites, unless those websites have some kind of direct confirmation that they have a completely unheated product, which I don't know of any offhand. I have noticed organic pastures selling unpasteurized almonds, but I believe they are the same kinds that were around before all the lame legislation a few years back, and therefore are still potentially heat treated (albeit not high pasteurization temps) and shelled/probably rancid.
[edit: whoops meant nuts in shell, not shell nuts]
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Nuts have nothing to do with raw food unless you pick em from the tree yourself, they're cooked paleo, not raw paleo. If you're gonna eat nuts, you might as well eat a well done steak with your nuts and a glass of pasteurized milk.
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yes, they are steamed... never found a truly raw source.
Thank you. I think you're right. They had me make sprouted pine-nut "cheese" at Ann Wigmore more than 20 years ago. I remember other nuts and seeds changing quickly (going to a bitter growth stage, greenness/chlorophyll developing, growing tails), but I don't recall the pine-nuts showing signs of life. They got a little death-like mushy. We never got macadamias.
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RawZi and Ioanna,check this out:
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/nuts.html
Tom Billings says that Pine nuts are dried & milled (not steamed).He has a bunch of other info about other nuts as well.Let me know what you think.Take care.
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djr, check out these guys and let me know what you think:
http://www.rawguru.com/store/raw-food/organic-raw-pine-nuts-1-lb.html
As for me,I haven't eaten pine nuts for a while.My thing is pistachios now.I eat 'em with different varieties of raw organic raisins.I put 'em in a container and much on 'em all day long until I get to my seafood meal or egg smoothie.
Pine nuts are a little "sharp" tasting while pistachios are more mellow.Macadamias are somewhere in between as far as taste and texture.
i was at whole foods today and picked up some raw macadamias. but the only pistachios they had were roasted and in those shell things. now the shells might be fun if you're using them as a snack but i want to toss them in a blender. where do you get yours ? ( raw of course )
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Nuts have nothing to do with raw food unless you pick em from the tree yourself, they're cooked paleo, not raw paleo. If you're gonna eat nuts, you might as well eat a well done steak with your nuts and a glass of pasteurized milk.
i disagree. it is the dose that makes the poison. it's one thing to have a glass of wine and another a bottle of vodka. just because nuts are not 100% raw doesn't put them in the same category as barbecue.
i have to ask though - do SEEDS ( in particular hemp seeds and chia seeds ) undergo the same processing as nuts ? because hemp seeds and macadamias are the same price where i get them.
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it is the dose that makes the poison.
no, it is the dose that makes a poison symptomatic
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Neurosport:Well,depending on where you live and if you want just raw or raw organic,you can try Trader Joe's.The Whole Foods where I live has them without the shell so I'm surprised yours doesn't.
You can order raw organic from www.buyorganicnuts.com
I get mine from a specialty shop in Vancouver,so,too far for you I'm afraid.
But there's tons of pistachio farms in Arizona and California.I prefer organic of course and if I could find sun-dried I would be in heaven.
I agree with "Nation" to a point:A lot of nuts are heated in the drying process.But I agree with you that there are acceptable degrees and sacrifices/choices we need to live/die by.
Where I disagree with Nation is in the fact that there are raw nuts you can buy which will actually sprout.Obviouly,they weren't "cooked",or they wouldn't sprout at all,they would be dead.So,in a lot of cases,the heat used doesn't cause that much of a problem.Sun-dried especially being the best option.Even still,there are other problems with nuts such as rancidity...etc.....but what food doesn't have problems?Is raw meat/fish always perfect?
I'm actually not trying to convince anybody to do what I do.I come to this forum to learn and share information.However,I'm a raw gourmet kind of person,and I love pistachios' flavour as well as their nutritious aspect(Salmon also of course....haha).I've been doing well on them for over 10 years.Peace.
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RawZi and Ioanna,check this out:
http://www.living-foods.com/articles/nuts.html
Tom Billings says that Pine nuts are dried & milled (not steamed).He has a bunch of other info about other nuts as well.Let me know what you think.Take care.
Thanks. I still go by feel, but it's good to read that.
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i have to ask though - do SEEDS ( in particular hemp seeds and chia seeds ) undergo the same processing as nuts ?
Chia are raw. At least they don't feel dead. Hemp seeds bought in those resealable foil bags from health-food stores, online, Canada etc do not feel raw. They're probably steamed. I'd be curious to hear it from the horse's mouth though.
Not all nuts bought are processed, at least they didn't use to be. I don't try to sprout nuts now, but I used to sprout almonds, hazelnuts etc and they started growing pretty long and (bright) green (crisp lively stem etc) sometimes by the time I got around to eating them.
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i read that hemp seeds must be steamed to be allowed here in order to ensure people aren't going to grow it.
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i read that hemp seeds must be steamed to be allowed here in order to ensure people aren't going to grow it.
insanity ...
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Neurosport (and whoever else is interested:here's a live demo on soaking and sprouting:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KmQvnL5AeZg Natasha does the demo,she's very friendly.
Here's another one from Elaina Love: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rig3vF3WOwM Enjoy!
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Neurosport:Well,depending on where you live and if you want just raw or raw organic,you can try Trader Joe's.The Whole Foods where I live has them without the shell so I'm surprised yours doesn't.
You can order raw organic from www.buyorganicnuts.com
Hey, I recently just emailed the owner of buyorganicnuts.com about the processing and he says "They are dried at 150 F for about 4 hours"
Does that make these pistachios still raw/worth eating?
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Hey, I recently just emailed the owner of buyorganicnuts.com about the processing and he says "They are dried at 150 F for about 4 hours"
Does that make these pistachios still raw/worth eating?
no/i dunno
your best bet for truly raw nuts other than going to the farms themselves is getting in-shell nuts from a grower on ebay or craigslist.