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Circumcision to become mandatory in the United States?
August 24, 12:58 PMLegal News ExaminerWilliam Pfeifer, Jr.
http://www.examiner.com/x-16813-Legal-News-Examiner~y2009m8d24-Circumcision-to-become-mandatory-in-the-United-States
Tyler, hope you've recovered enough to handle that news. If what you say about it being illegal in Europe is accurate, then it's pretty bizarre that the US is probably going to take the opposite tact. If it passes and I were a parent-to-be I would sue and take it to the Supreme Court. That doesn't seem constitutional.
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Well it's no secret. The states are alarmingly insane.
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US CDC is stupid.
AIDS is a total fraud in the first place.
We in the Philippines are a circumcising nation.
And in our collective experience we know that circumcising new borns is a VERY BAD IDEA.
Child feels trauma / pain.
Child is too small, there have been many reports of mistakes being made where the penis is chopped off.
Circumision is a right of passage which must be experienced to be appreciated around age 9 to 12.
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From the first link they give:
... have demonstrated in 2007 the effectiveness of adult male circumcision in dramatically reducing HIV transmission ...
And then the article itself:
... performed shortly after the birth ...
Doesn't make any sense. If circumcising an adult male (supposedly) stops him from passing AIDS, then there is no evidence that circumcising a neonate does. Neonates never ever want sex.
The FDA probably wants to make the foreskins into expensive moisturizing cream for consumers' hands. This isn't right.
Did you know they circumcise boys in hospitals under twenty-four hours old? Can you imagine how traumatized you would be? Welcome to the world and the knife! Between your legs! I think I'd want to crawl back in.
Also, from what I've read and been shown, a neonates foreskin does not peel back. That often takes up to two years before the skin can be drawn back. Plus doctors make mistakes and take the head off sometimes. And those bell clamps! They squeeze the skin off slowly and painfully. Can you imagine?
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lol, crazy people. I do not believe this has the slightest chance to become mandatory. It could probably be promoted nationally like vaccines.
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lol, crazy people. I do not believe this has the slightest chance to become mandatory. It could probably be promoted nationally like vaccines.
I don't think it can be made mandatory. The general trend, even in the USA, has been away from male circumcision(only 60% of males now get circumcised). Partly, it's because doctors are now increasingly terrified of being sued in the future as the baby, technically, has no say in the matter, at the time. Plus, there are plenty of anti-circumcision groups now in the US, with many men looking into foreskin reconstruction in order to repair some of the damage. These would not tolerate such behaviour and feminist groups can hardly condemn female genital mutilation in the Middle-East while still condoning male genital mutilation in the West - such would be hypocrisy.
There is actually plentiful evidence to show that the link made between male circumcision and AIDS is completely bogus, the trouble is that the relevant pro-circumcision advocates have been entirely dishonest and have only cited the randomised trials that vaguely support their position, not the multitude which prove the exact opposite. Here's a link, though there are many others:-
http://www.circumstitions.com/Short-HIV.html
The real problem is this, IMO:- Male (and female)circumcision originally became fashionable as a way of controlling male and female sexual desire/masturbation-rates in the Western world, by removing some genital areas which were sexually sensitive and which enhanced performance. When the prudery changed due to changing mores, there had to be other excuses made for such a revolting practice, so excuses such as bogus links to prostate-cancer/AIDS etc. were given, despite dodgy evidence. In the UK, while male circumcision is generally very seriously frowned upon, it is still unfortunately practised in 1% of cases for Muslims and Jews, justified solely on religious not medical grounds, though, quite frankly, the infants, IMO, have a perfect right to sue their own parents and the doctor in later years.
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i know nothing on this topic...
is there any drawback of not being circumcised? do boys/men want to be or not want to be? SOTD wrote about the bleeding and GS about right of passage.
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is there any drawback of not being circumcised? do boys/men want to be or not want to be? SOTD wrote about the bleeding and GS about right of passage.
I think what they are saying is that the usual listed drawbacks for NOT being circumcised are mostly or entirely myths. That said I can't quite figure out/decipher the reasons why circumcision would be bad for males myself? Surely traditional hospital birthing is just as traumatic with or w/o such a procedure.
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I know just from conversations and such that many females have issues/repulsions with uncircumcised males, whether this is based on cultural misinformation or not.
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That said I can't quite figure out/decipher the reasons why circumcision would be bad for males myself?
Because it's not nice to have a big chunk of yourself cut off. Then there is scarring, the head of the penis becomes less sensitive, discomfort from the exposed head rubbing against clothes etc. It can be very detrimental to one's sex life.
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I can't quite figure out/decipher the reasons why circumcision would be bad for males myself?
PTSD
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i know nothing on this topic...
is there any drawback of not being circumcised? do boys/men want to be or not want to be? SOTD wrote about the bleeding and GS about right of passage.
The guess is that 98+ % of Filipino Men are circumsized.
Drawback of uncircumsized Filipino male? Filipino teenage women DEMAND that their men / suitors be circumsized or they are not entertaining their advances. So this is a very big drawback / incentive.
Filipino elders expect circumcision. Filipino MOTHERS demand their sons be circumsized. My own WIFE is more adamant about circumcizing our sons than I am.
My father forgot to circumsize me so by 13 it was I who reminded him / demanded that I be circumsized.
As a culture, filipinos generally believe that uncircumcized is unhygienic because of the milky white cheese stink called "KUPAL". Boys can be teased as KUPAL if uncircumsized. And any boy in high school will be teased to no end by all boys and girls if they are still uncircumsized.
Nationwide free clinics and paid clinics are held every summer vacation to circumcize boys. Rotary clubs have free circumcision missions.
The drawback for Filipino women getting involved with foreign men is they have to accept that he is uncircumsized.
You may think Filipinos are mad, but this is the way it is.
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not intentional (or consciously anyway), but the men i have dated, save few, are not american... uncircumcised is normal to me... circumcised is just an american way to me that i don't know if it is something men want or not?
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PTSD
yeah, I gathered this is what people were already implying, and accept that is possible, but I kinda threw in the caveat that most hospital births are in themselves traumatizing to the point that I would question how much more so C. would be. And even in a natural birth the umbilical cord has to be cut etc...
the head of the penis becomes less sensitive, discomfort from the exposed head rubbing against clothes etc. It can be very detrimental to one's sex life.
I don't see how one would know this to be true unless they had been circumcised as an adult, right? Just from a physical standpoint, I don't see how removing skin would make something less and not more sensitive, but if that is what the literature says...
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The guess is that 98+ % of Filipino Men are circumsized.
Drawback of uncircumsized Filipino male? Filipino teenage women DEMAND that their men / suitors be circumsized or they are not entertaining their advances. So this is a very big drawback / incentive.
Filipino elders expect circumcision. Filipino MOTHERS demand their sons be circumsized. My own WIFE is more adamant about circumcizing our sons than I am.
My father forgot to circumsize me so by 13 it was I who reminded him / demanded that I be circumsized.
As a culture, filipinos generally believe that uncircumcized is unhygienic because of the milky white cheese stink called "KUPAL". Boys can be teased as KUPAL if uncircumsized. And any boy in high school will be teased to no end by all boys and girls if they are still uncircumsized.
Nationwide free clinics and paid clinics are held every summer vacation to circumcize boys. Rotary clubs have free circumcision missions.
The drawback for Filipino women getting involved with foreign men is they have to accept that he is uncircumsized.
You may think Filipinos are mad, but this is the way it is.
Drastic solution to a yeast infection.
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I don't see how one would know this to be true unless they had been circumcised as an adult, right? Just from a physical standpoint, I don't see how removing skin would make something less and not more sensitive, but if that is what the literature says...
The skin on the head consists of mucous membrane, like the inside of your mouth, or the inside of your eyelids. All such mucous membranes are protected. When the foreskin is taken away, this mucous membrane is exposed to the air and to abrasion from clothes, so it hardens. Otherwise it would constantly get sore.
There is more to it... Check this article if you want further info: http://www.foreskin.org/fleiss.htm (http://www.foreskin.org/fleiss.htm)
Drastic solution to a yeast infection.
I guess people made up all those pro-circumcision pseudo arguments like improved hygiene because they wanted it to make sense that God told them to mutilate their male children...
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Drastic solution to a yeast infection.
As amputate a leg or an arm in case of persistent infection....
Circumcision is obviously just one more example of human idioty.
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I think what they are saying is that the usual listed drawbacks for NOT being circumcised are mostlly or entirely myths. That said I can't quite figure out/decipher the reasons why circumcision would be bad for males myself? Surely traditional hospital birthing is just as traumatic with or w/o such a procedure.
Hospital birthing can't be equated to circumcision as the umbilical cord isn't really meant to be a part of the baby's body. And the circumcision of the male lasts a whole lifetime in its negative effects.
Removing the glans means a loss of erogenous zones, plus it exposes the penis to more harm as there's no protective foreskin.
According to women who've experienced both circumcised and uncircumcised men, they state that circumcised men need to experience much rougher sex in order to get the same level of pleasure as uncircumcised men, plus the circumcised men also feel the need to go in more for oral and anal sex, for similiar reasons. Also, men who've been forced to undergo circumcision at a later date in life after decades of sexual enjoyment, commonly report a reduction in sexual pleasure after the operation.
I know just from conversations and such that many females have issues/repulsions with uncircumcised males, whether this is based on cultural misinformation or not.
Purely to do with cultural misinformation. Women in countries where circumcision is very rare don't have such issues, after all.
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... The real problem is this, IMO:- Male (and female)circumcision originally became fashionable as a way of controlling male and female sexual desire/masturbation-rates in the Western world, by removing some genital areas which were sexually sensitive and which enhanced performance. ...
I agree that it is unethical to do it on infants that can't refuse it. The fact that anesthesia was not even used until recently, on the assumption that infants are less sensitive to pain--which was a stupid assumption and the opposite turned out to be true--was horrifically cruel.
Interestingly, circumcision long predates Western civilization. Even some tribes among the oldest of all cultures--the !Kung-Ju/hoansi--practiced circumcision, but have recently been abandoning the practice. However, in South Africa the BBC reported that since uncircumcised infants are considered more "pure" and unblemished by "witchdoctors" and therefore more fit for sacrifice in a new variation on pagan religion that arose with rapid development and modernization in South Africa, parents are protecting their children from child sacrifice by circumcising them. The new practice of child sacrifice was spurred by wealthy urban builders and businessmen who pay for the sacrifice of poor rural children, and sometimes for specific body parts, so as to ensure success in building skyscrapers, initiating businesses, and generally becoming rich and powerful. In the case of a building, parts of the corpse, or the whole corpse, is apparently encased in the cement of a corner of the ground floor of the building.
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Circumcision came about because primitive tribes needed some puberty rites to demonstrate the difference between men and boys and women and girls.Therefore the harsher and more painful the puberty rite was, the more favourably they viewed it.
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primitive tribes needed some puberty rites to demonstrate the difference between men
And maybe they were hungry or cannibalistic. Watch out!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBao-Tb_BA (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nwBao-Tb_BA)
Sorry. This just came out last month. Maybe it's healthy, but the patient or guest of honor looks pretty upset.
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Never! I am proudly uncircumcised. O0
Seriously, any cutting or removing of any tissue of the body is absolutely insane.
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<=== Connor is fully intact
You might be able to take my life, but you will never take my foreskin!!!
1Filipino teenage women DEMAND that their men / suitors be circumsized or they are not entertaining their advances.
2Filipino elders expect circumcision.
3...because of the milky white cheese stink called "KUPAL"....
4Nationwide free clinics and paid clinics are held every summer vacation to circumcize boys. Rotary clubs have free circumcision missions.
1.Sounds like hell. I am so sorry to hear that.
2.Old people suck.
3.Around here, women love cheese. :D
4.Religion is the cancer that will eat this planet.
I thank you for sharing your perspective, that was a huge eye opener.
Never have I heard someone talk of penis cutting in such a insane confident manner.
I give kudos that you are given a choice, but then again, not really.
For me however, I will keep my man-clit.
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(http://t1.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQixqMK5RBqJ8AfBbix6M35zsi6GdceySXjcN2PVUsUGmOvzvEK&t=1)
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I'm trying to talk my wife out of circumsizing our 2 boys.
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@OP - that news is old - see the date 2009 saw that ages ago. That was when the CDC paniced when the circ rate in 2009 dropped to 33% and 67% of newborns were left intact in 2009 woot :D
The new and awesome news is the SanFrancisco Circumcision BAN which will be heading to the Nov 2011 ballot to ban circ in San Fran: http://www.cnn.com/2010/HEALTH/11/19/male.circumcision.sf/index.html
Also lots of states are ending medicaid coverage of circumcision this year which is awesome.
@goodsamaritan http://www.circumstitions.com/Philippines.html Good reasons not to circumcise: http://circumstitions.com/reasonsnotto.html
you should show your wife sexuallymutilatedchild(dot)org thewholenetwork(dot)org doctorsopposingcircumcision(dot)org
Genital mutilation is very traumatic and has a psychological impact especially when done as the infants first memory into this world during the developmental stage from birth: http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/
An infant just died today from hemoragging from circumcision http://www.drmomma.org/2010/05/death-from-circumcision.html You should also read up on Dr Momma posts to show your wife so that she doesn't cut and risk your children's lives http://www.drmomma.org/2010/01/are-you-fully-informed.html
, and circumcision does sexually diminish and lose sensitivity which is why the glans keratinizes and circ and female circ was originally pushed in the us to end masturbation(we do it anyway and diminishing ones sex is sick but failed) through reducing people's sensitivity (circumcision and female clitoral removal both reduce sensitivity norm(dot)org tlctugger(dot)com) Many men consider prepuce regeneration to regain everything lost to circ and foreskin restoration to regain some of everything right now that they lost to circ - therefore men are dissatisfied.
Here's a sensitivity test: Rub a finger across your palm(bottom of your hand) then the top of your hand. The difference being Your palm being intact and the top of your hand being circumcised is the amount of sensation you lose to circumcision because your palm has meissner corpusles, nerve endings also found in the prepuce which is lost to circumcision, and you lose 20,000-70,000 nerve endings whereas the vagina only has 8,000 nerve endings compared to the 70,000-20,000 of the intact man.
, but hospitals cover it up and foregen(dot)org for the fact that men like me want to reverse their circ through regen medicine and gain everything we lost back.
And as for hygiene - enjoy your shower and have a good day. Women produce more smegma or white cheese than men, google it that's what gives the vagina that fishy smell when you don't clean it. But we don't go around doing female circumcision in the U.S., is illegal but also a religious practice and about 90%+ Egyptian Women are circumcised over hygiene and cultural and religious reasons while the UK, Europe, Austrailia, and Most of Asia remain intact. Only Israel and Asia are majority circumcising nations as 20% of the world genitally mutilates, the 80% of the world is left intact circumstitions.com
Most people don't know this is torture - they torture children and alter their bodies and submit them to pain and strap them down to a device called the circumstraint to prevent them from escaping (i'd escape too if this was done to me now! Im upset being unintact) : http://circumstitions.com/Images/Glossary/circumstraint.jpg
Gogo intactivists!
If men and women were meant to have foreskins/prepuces we would be born with them. And we are. GENITAL MUTILATION IS AN INSULT TO EVOLUTION!
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I'm trying to talk my wife out of circumsizing our 2 boys.
You can't let her do it..
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It's funny that fillipino females girls would produce more smegma. Girls are dirty ;D
Shit when feminism finally hits the Fillipino fan, probably by the time your boys start dating, then what are the women going to demand? Be very scared
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It's funny that fillipino females girls ...
As opposed to male girls? ???
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As opposed to male girls? ???
Well it is the fillipines ;D
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Here's some information for you all on the truth about circumcision:
Circumcision is genital mutilation and medically unnecessary. Do you want this torture to happen to your children? : A circumcision video: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6584757516627632617# Doctors oppose circumcision: www.doctorsopposngcircumcision.org San Fran circumcision ban bill may soon ban circumcision in San Francisco: www.mgmbill.org www.thewholenetwork.org www.norm.org
Did you know many infants die each year just like this one who died from blood loss from circumcision and doctors never tell you? http://www.drmomma.org/2010/05/death-from-circumcision.html http://newborns.stanford.edu/CircComplications.html#inclusion
Did you know plastibell circumcision involves cutting?
Did you know mohel circumcision involving blood sucking can cause your baby to get herpes and die? http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6898403/ns/health-kids_and_parenting/
Did you know circ complications and the open wound after surgery INCREASES THE RISK for UTIS, infection and death like this baby: http://www.drmomma.org/2009/11/massive-infection-takes-over-body-after.html
Did you know babies are strapped down during circumcision just like with torture: http://circumstitions.com/Images/Glossary/circumstraint.jpg http://a2.sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc6/168271_10150091971953024_502498023_6102771_7741078_n.jpg?dl=1
Did you know doctors recommend circumcision because of the amount of money they make, misinform you, and do you know baby foreskins are in cosmetics, hand creams, anti wrinkle creams, surgical supplies, etc. CIRCUMCISION IS A BILLION DOLLAR INDUSTRY: http://www.norm-uk.org/where_do_foreskins_go.html Circumcision is psychologically damaging and traumatic: http://www.cirp.org/library/psych/goldman1/ www.intactamerica.org www.circumstitions.com www.sexuallymutilatedchild.org
Get informed on genital mutilation of men and women: http://www.drmomma.org/2010/01/are-you-fully-informed.html www.circumstitions.com
MOTHERS AGAINST CIRCUMCISION: http://www.mothersagainstcirc.org/
Jews oppose genital mutilation: www.jewsagainstcircumcision.org bris shalom is a practice that doesn't require genital mutilation
Muslims oppose genital mutilation: http://www.quranicpath.com/misconceptions/circumcision.htmlChristians oppose it: http://www.drmomma.org/2009/06/information-on-circumcision-for.html
Catholics oppose it: http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org/
Buddists, Sikihsm appreciate the foreskin and atheists and agnosts can use rational thought, research and information.
Top Reasons NOT to cut: http://circumstitions.com/reasonsnotto.html
Phimosis is non-surgically curable and as long as you can pee and get off you're okay, it's more of a cosmetic thing and forcible retraction as a child or infant whereas the glans are fused to the penis as a child/infant/teen can cause scars which cause infection and phimosis later in life. Wash only with water, do not retract - www.thewholenetwork.org www.intactamerica.org
Men oppose circumcision and want to be whole once more: www.tlctugger.com www.norm.org www.foregen.org
As for hygine wash with some water and circumcision INCREASES the risk of infection, HIV/AIDS, UTIs, and STIs because of the loss of the foreskin's immunological system: http://www.norm.org/lost.html
Circumcision is sexually diminishing and mutilation because it's causes the loss of the prepuce and its various errogenous tissue of the prepuce called the frenulum and frenular delta aka the male g-spot, the ridged band, 20,000-70,000 nerve endings called meisners corpuscles located on the hands, feet, and balls (which is why they're so darn sensitive and the exposed penis head aka glans isn't) and everything lost to circumcision: http://www.wholebabyrevolution.com/The-Lost-List.html
Do a simple test: rub the bottom of your hand(palm) with your fingernail then the rub the top of your hand with your fingernail. The palm being intact and the top of your hand being cut is the amount of sensation you lose to circumcision. I know it's a lot to take in but eventually you'll see the truth of genital mutilation.
Some parents even take their children to be circumcised in full knowledge of the sexual diminishing to purposely prevent them from masturbation, or having sex, or to diminish it and their sexuality and even this knew bullshit to prevent boys and girls from being gay which was insulting to me when I found out being gay myself, through genital mutilation like clitordectomy even today in NY and circumcision because they think if we have so much sexual sensitivity as a guy with intact genitalia or as a girl with a large clitoris they'd enjoy it so much that they'd somehow turn gay, you can't turn into something that you're born... In NY (search FGM in New York http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WPDGk14Jkw0) you can see how parents have full knowledge of the sexual diminishment of genital mutilation for their boys and girls to purposely hinder their sex. It's sick and saddening and I understand the truth of why this happened to me, not purposefully but its blatant effects : www.historyofcircumcision.net
Men ARE affected, many men comtemplate suicide after learning what was done to them as infants or children: http://www.circumstitions.com/Shane.html http://foreskin-restoration.net/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=61
Women are affected too because circumcision is the cause of dryness during sex when it is not the lady's fault it's the mans because of his dry penis, causing painful sex: http://www.sexasnatureintendedit.com/ Children die each year from circumcision and circumcision related complications and infections
Do you really wanna risk your child's life for this?: http://newborns.stanford.edu/CircComplications.html#inclusion
It's not yours and when you are faced by your child when they find out the truth about your circumcision deal with them, your grief, and their grief of finding out they were mutilated?
THE DIFFERENCE BETWEEN UNINTACT (CIRCUMCISED) AND INTACT (WHOLE) PENII: http://hphotos-snc6.fbcdn.net/175106_10150117141913024_502498023_6417515_3672720_o.jpg
http://www.circumstitions.com/Restric/Botched1sb.html
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I'm trying to talk my wife out of circumsizing our 2 boys.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxAKFlpdcfc&feature=player_detailpage
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You can't let her do it..
I need to go up against grandmas and grandpas and cousins and classmates aunts and uncles maids and drivers.
They will have to resist peer pressure.
I won't be surprised if they eventually circumsize themselves behind my back though.
Wish me luck.
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I need to go up against grandmas and grandpas and cousins and classmates aunts and uncles maids and drivers.
They will have to resist peer pressure.
I won't be surprised if they eventually circumsize themselves behind my back though.
Wish me luck.
Good luck! Hope you show them my sites and I know any parent couldn't or most in full knowledge after watching an entire circumcision video on full volume, and with the links on circ complications and how doctors dont tell you children die from circumcision every day from bleeding and infection like in my links and pics.
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Wish me luck.
(http://www.ecardica.com/ecards/postcards%5Cgood%20luck%20quotes/Good%20Luck.jpg)
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Come on miles, you have no idea how ingrained the circumcision culture is here.
My own father forgot about circumsizing me and when I was 13 I was the one who reminded him.
When you are a boy in his puberty and the whole school laughs at you, that is peer pressure.
It was like fighting the wheat culture a few years ago.
There was one time I literally grabbed my boy kicking and crying from the dinner table at my in-laws because they were feeding him wheat based crap.
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Come on miles, you have no idea how ingrained the circumcision culture is here
Please don't talk like that, success is the only route.
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Well, I suppose if your boy is eventually planning to work abroad, it wouldn't be an issue. It also wouldn't surprise me if circumcision rates drop worldwide over time as the Internet is a real influence on peoples' lives nowadays. I mean the anti-circumcision lobby in the US only got going in the last couple of years, for example but is now quite a big movement.
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It is lunacy at its finest. More fertility cult nonsense. Prevent heart attacks be removing the heart? never have gallstones again, have the gall bladder removed at birth. The appendix, what do we need it for anyway?. We might as well just remove it since it seems to cause a lot of problems. And now that we are at it, what is the cure for migraine, if you follow this line of thinking?...
Prevent drowning, ban water!
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I have acne, maybe I should just have my skin removed... LOL
Once I read that a study was done on an unsuspecting crowd of people at a mock environmentalist rally.
Hundreds of people signed a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, because they said it was destroying the planet.
So many people simply suck and are walking fails.
This is why I remain suspicious of all claims against carbon. Probably bullshit, and even if it is a problem there are worse ones to focus on.
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Once I read that a study was done on an unsuspecting crowd of people at a mock environmentalist rally.
Hundreds of people signed a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, because they said it was destroying the planet.
;D ;D ;D
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[insert heated rant]...[/]... Prevent heart attacks be removing the heart? ... And now that we are at it, what is the cure for migraine, if you follow this line of thinking?...
Thankfully we in this forum may have eyes that see. Example, some extreme vegans basically preach that if sick animals that are then burnt in the flesh is unhealthy for us to eat, that healthy flesh becomes an unhealthy food, just by the fact it is animal too. Their wills prevent them from waking up, and their fear, not just their fear of being natural. I hope all people stop lying to themselves soon about health, for themselves the world, for the present, future and their ancestors. How can they allow themselves to continue to be so brain-dead in their lack of paying full attention to their health? Wake up world of people!!
Be a healthy piece of celery, eat a raw stalk today :) Ask your doctor or pharmacist. Get circumcised today, it cleans off that dirty skin. Rest your head, the certified and licensed will think for you, so you'll never want to learn how. Ignorance is bliss.
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Once I read that a study was done on an unsuspecting crowd of people at a mock environmentalist rally.
Hundreds of people signed a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide, because they said it was destroying the planet.
Oh Lawdy... ;D
I hope all people stop lying to themselves soon...
..I wouldnt hold my breath.
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I have acne, maybe I should just have my skin removed... LOL
You'd fit right in in the American medical community. ;D
Catholics oppose it: http://www.catholicsagainstcircumcision.org/
If you mean that some Catholics oppose it, that's true (is there some kind of ban against using the word "some" on the Internet for some reason ??? ;D ). I wish it were true of all Catholics, but it of course isn't, as GS has pointed out that there is much pressure to circumcise in the Catholic Philippines, and my parents are devout Catholics and had me circumcised.
I was very active in the US Catholic church up through my mid 20s and was more versed in the Catechism than 99% of Catholics and I never heard of opposition to circumcision in the Church until I started seeing it get mentioned in this forum. As a matter of fact, I don't recall ever hearing about any opposition to it or controversy until I came here, beyond the fact that the hospitals used to do it without anesthesia until rather recently. They used to stupidly assume that babies felt no pain from it (why? because they can't talk and tell the doctor it hurts? super dumb) until someone actually researched it and found the opposite--babies are more sensitive to pain, not less.
I even listen to the BBC and have never heard about the issue from the Beeb. All I've ever heard about on the news is female genital mutilation controversies, never male. So this has been very eye opening. Thank goodness for the Internet!
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[insert heated rant]...[/]
It is lunacy at its finest. More fertility cult nonsense. Prevent heart attacks be removing the heart? never have gallstones again, have the gall bladder removed at birth. The appendix, what do we need it for anyway?. We might as well just remove it since it seems to cause a lot of problems. And now that we are at it, what is the cure for migraine, if you follow this line of thinking?...
Prevent drowning, ban water!
Exactly. The geniuses who cultivate this nonsense seem to have expertise at it - if it can get infected - remove it!
It exposes mucosa that's not meant to be air-dried all day, or be in contact with clothes fabric. Good luck GS, success will be important in the long term.
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Ignorance is bliss.
And yeah PaleoPhil you're right just posted it as catholics opposed it to get the message out. I appeal too all audiences and religions :) cause circ is religious and people will do anything a book says ie fgm and mgm in this world. So many people will fight arms against fgm but few will fight mgm. Genital integrity to all. An end to genital mutilation of males and females.
DID YOU KNOW THE CDC RECOMMENDED FGM LAST YEAR AKA FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION? GOOGLE CDC RECOMMENDS FGM, THE CDC HAS NO CREDIBILITY FOR RECOMMENDED GENITAL MUTILATION OF MALES AND FEMALES.
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DID YOU KNOW THE CDC RECOMMENDED FGM LAST YEAR AKA FEMALE GENITAL MUTILATION? GOOGLE CDC RECOMMENDS FGM, THE CDC HAS NO CREDIBILITY FOR RECOMMENDED GENITAL MUTILATION OF MALES AND FEMALES.
I hope you know I didn't mean that "ignorance is bliss" thing.
All I found was http://icpa4kids.org/Wellness-Articles/cdc-set-to-recommend-male-circumcision.html (http://icpa4kids.org/Wellness-Articles/cdc-set-to-recommend-male-circumcision.html)
Do you have a better link showing the CDC recommending it?
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Do you have a better link showing the CDC recommending it?
Cut your penis or you will get HIV and die!! (possible exaggeration)
http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm (http://www.cdc.gov/hiv/resources/factsheets/circumcision.htm)
They even say that some men report better secks after penis filet time.
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I hope you know I didn't mean that "ignorance is bliss" thing.
All I found was http://icpa4kids.org/Wellness-Articles/cdc-set-to-recommend-male-circumcision.html (http://icpa4kids.org/Wellness-Articles/cdc-set-to-recommend-male-circumcision.html)
Do you have a better link showing the CDC recommending it?
Oh no I meant you were right RawZi lol. Ignorance is bliss for the sheeple of the world :p
CDC recommends FGM aka female genital mutilation: http://uncyclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/UnNews:CDC_advocates_female_genital_mutilation best article I could dig up even though it's from uncyclopedia.
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Lloyd Schofield of San Francisco was successful in collection 7,700 correct signatures for his suggestion to make male circumcision illegal. It has been confirmed by election administrators that his suggestion will be on the city's November ballot. But the suggestion will meet opposition in the form of United States Representative Brad Sherman's measure to stop San Francisco and other cites from prohibiting circumcision. The proposed measure is called the Religious and Parental Rights Defense Act of 2011. I read this here: San Francisco to vote on circumcision issue (http://www.newsytype.com/7742-circumcision-issue/).
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www.SFMGMBILL.org
The San Francisco Male Genital Mutilation(all forms including circumcision, castration, infibulation, pricking, etc) is still up.
The text:
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Welcome to the San Francisco MGM Bill website
Your support will help us to protect ALL infants and children in San Francisco from the pain and harm caused by forced genital cutting. Damage ranges from excruciating pain, nerve destruction, loss of normal, natural and functional tissue, infection, disfigurement and sometimes death.
Initiative Language
ARTICLE 50: GENITAL CUTTING OF MALE MINORS
SEC. 5001. PROHIBITION OF GENITAL CUTTING OF MALE MINORS.
Except as provided in SEC. 5002, it is unlawful to circumcise, excise, cut, or mutilate the whole or any part of the foreskin, testicles, or penis of another person who has not attained the age of 18 years.
SEC. 5002. EXCEPTIONS.
(a) A surgical operation is not a violation of this section if the operation is necessary to the physical health of the person on whom it is performed because of a clear, compelling, and immediate medical need with no less-destructive alternative treatment available, and is performed by a person licensed in the place of its performance as a medical practitioner.
(b) In applying subsection (a), no account shall be taken of the effect on the person on whom the operation is to be performed of any belief on the part of that or any other person that the operation is required as a matter of custom or ritual.
SEC. 5003. PENALTY.
Any person who violates any provisions of this Article shall be deemed guilty of a misdemeanor and upon conviction such person shall be punished by a fine not to exceed $1,000 or by imprisonment in the County Jail for a period not to exceed one year, or by both such fine and imprisonment. "