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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Exercise / Bodybuilding => Topic started by: Savage on June 04, 2010, 05:03:11 pm
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If you meet these 3:
1-You eat Raw Zero Carb
2-You train more than 3 times a week
3-You are a well rounded Athlete
What I want is to identify who does meet those and create a thread/social group here so we can discuss our training, come up with workouts/challenges, post our times against each other, etc......
On most BBing/Athletic sites, no one is into raw or this philosophy so to speak, over at raw sites no one is into extreme training, I know it'll be better if we had a place to further our training and discuss any related issue.
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rzc isn't ideal for athletes so i doubt you'll find anyone
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rzc isn't ideal for athletes so i doubt you'll find anyone
You certainly have a chip on your shoulder against RZC huh? :)
Savage: I eat RZC, run/bike every day, and would consider myself a well-rounded athlete. I do bodyweight exercises here or there but have not delved deeply into frequent heavy weights.
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There is actually a small subset of bodybuilders interested in raw diets. They were in far bigger numbers in pre-steroid days but there are still serious people like Randy Roach who do bodybuilding and raw foods.
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I eat RZC and train Judo 8 sessions/week, all on the mat, and all eve sessions have full sparring components whilst the wed is only sparring.
monday eve 1hr15, tues morn1hr30, tues eve1hr15, wed morn1hr30, wed eve1hr30, thurs morn1hr30, thurs eve1hr30, fri eve1hr15, [then sat rest, sunday for competitions]. Also walk about 30mins each way for my food each day.
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You certainly have a chip on your shoulder against RZC huh? :)
Savage: I eat RZC, run/bike every day, and would consider myself a well-rounded athlete. I do bodyweight exercises here or there but have not delved deeply into frequent heavy weights.
It may sound like it, but I don't.. All I know is that it didn't work very well for me. I respect it working for others. I do how ever know that optimal muscle growth and muscle recovery needs carbs. You'll never reach your maximum potential with out eating carbs.
RZC provided with me great physical energy and I think that if I were to run a marathon or do something low intensity for a very long time I'd choose RZC as my energy source. But for short term high intensity workouts and muscle recovery I'll choose carbs any day of the week.
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You certainly have a chip on your shoulder against RZC huh? :)
Savage: I eat RZC, run/bike every day, and would consider myself a well-rounded athlete. I do bodyweight exercises here or there but have not delved deeply into frequent heavy weights.
Thanks, marked down.
I eat RZC and train Judo 8 sessions/week, all on the mat, and all eve sessions have full sparring components whilst the wed is only sparring.
monday eve 1hr15, tues morn1hr30, tues eve1hr15, wed morn1hr30, wed eve1hr30, thurs morn1hr30, thurs eve1hr30, fri eve1hr15, [then sat rest, sunday for competitions]. Also walk about 30mins each way for my food each day.
Thanks, marked down.
Give it a few more days, and we'll see how many we get, then we'll start.
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I've been bodybuilding for 5 years however still consider myself a novice. Would still like to contribute though I do not follow Zero Carb
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I'm in!
I am raw ZC. I do weight-training 3 x a week for an hour each session, followed by cardio intervals. I also power-walk and hike 2-3 times a week, and do bodyweight and ab exercises.
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I'm in!
I am raw ZC. I do weight-training 3 x a week for an hour each session, followed by cardio intervals. I also power-walk and hike 2-3 times a week, and do bodyweight and ab exercises.
Thanks, marked down.
I've been bodybuilding for 5 years however still consider myself a novice. Would still like to contribute though I do not follow Zero Carb
If you're willing to switch to ZC and do things other than just bodybuilding and you're well rounded fitness wise, yes.
Give it a shot, you have nothing to lose.
So far we have:
-Savage
-djr_81
-miles
-klowcarb
(Possibly sven)
4-5 people, not bad, I'm just figuring out a couple of things and I'll post the thread in the next few days.
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FTH: I guess I cannot possibly be a RZC athlete. Funny. I just came back from my every 8 week skinfold/caliper analysis. I am 103lbs. and 13.3% bodyfat, with 87% LBM. I eat zero carbs, weight lift regularly and do fasted hiking and cardio. I guess I should be gasping for breath because I'm not eating fruits and vegetables, but, amazingly, I have tons of energy for lifting, eat more calories than I want to in order to keep my strength up and can wear a bikini year round. I have no cravings. What a horrible life! l)
Going to the gym now fueled on 1/2 lb. 80/20 ground beef, raw (oh, no, no carbs!). Back / bicep day is on. :D
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Hell why not I'm on summer break I'll give it a shot. Give me a week to adapt to RZC and I'll be back to let you guys know if I decide to stick to it...
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My boyfriend and I love lifting and we post our workouts as our statuses on Facebook. For purposes of this thread, here are some from the past week or so:
Today:
Supersets of incline dumbbell bench with bicep curls; flat bench dumbbell press and incline dumbbell press; and wide-grip lateral pulldown with V-bar pulldowns. Started and ended with pull-up power! Finished with 15 minutes Stair-Stepper. Today was back/bicep day.
Thursday:
Shoulder/tricep day: weighted dips (with 10-12# dumbbells)/Arnold shoulder presses/progressive set overhead tricep extensions/barbell front raises/barbell bent over rows/side lateral raises/lateral pull downs/Iso-Row with 35...# plates). Always finish with 15 minutes StairStepper.
Tuesday:
V-bar pulldowns, Lateral pulldowns, Arnold incline chest press, bench press, dumbbell bicep curls and finishing with StairMaster intervals. Started my set with some pull-ups.
Monday:
Fasted 1-2 hour hike.
Back/bicep day.
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My boyfriend and I love lifting and we post our workouts as our statuses on Facebook. For purposes of this thread, here are some from the past week or so:
Today:
Supersets of incline dumbbell bench with bicep curls; flat bench dumbbell press and incline dumbbell press; and wide-grip lateral pulldown with V-bar pulldowns. Started and ended with pull-up power! Finished with 15 minutes Stair-Stepper. Today was back/bicep day.
Thursday:
Shoulder/tricep day: weighted dips (with 10-12# dumbbells)/Arnold shoulder presses/progressive set overhead tricep extensions/barbell front raises/barbell bent over rows/side lateral raises/lateral pull downs/Iso-Row with 35...# plates). Always finish with 15 minutes StairStepper.
Tuesday:
V-bar pulldowns, Lateral pulldowns, Arnold incline chest press, bench press, dumbbell bicep curls and finishing with StairMaster intervals. Started my set with some pull-ups.
Monday:
Fasted 1-2 hour hike.
Back/bicep day.
Not bad, although too much machine exercises for me, how much weight are you pushing/reps on pullups/dips/etc...?
This is what I usually do, 2 times a week, 3 hour sessions and then one more session without the weights but more (600-1050 reps) on the calisthenics just switched from training everyday.
15 mins ago:
Bench Press (Flat 3/Incline 2) 275lbs X 1-2 X 5
Squat 365lbs X 2 X 5
Weighted Pullups/Chinups 100lbs X 1 X 5
Clean & Jerk 177lbs X 1 X 5
Total sets: 20 , Total time: 120mins, Rest: 4.5 mins, Reps: 1-2, Tempo Up/down: Fast as possible
I put the timer on, I was done exactly at 2:00 hrs, I rested till 2:06 and I started this:
1-Pushups X 10
2-Squat X 10
3-Situps X 10
4-Pullups X 10
5-Front&Side Kick X 10
6-Planche Pushups X 10
7-Lunges X 10
8-Leg raises (from dip bar) X 10
9-Pullup Muscle ups X 10
10-Vertical Jump X 10
11-Dips X 10
12-Step up X 10
13-Back Extenstion X 10
14-Handstand pushup X 10
15-Chinups X 10
Total sets= 15, total reps= 150, repeated this cycle 3 times, so:
Total sets=45, Total reps=450, Total time : 30 minutes exactly , Reps per Min 15: , rest between exercises: NONE, rest between cycles: 1 minute to re-hydrate
It was 2:37 on the timer now and I just couldn't do anymore bodyweight exercises, so I started shadow boxing/kicking, I was going pretty fast resting about every 3 minutes.....it was hard to keep track of time it's 81F degrees outside for almost 3 hours..feeling tired.....the last minute, just lifting my arm or even moving felt like I was pushing a truck 3:03....3 hours..........I know I'm gonna sleep good tonight!
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Oh, god, Savage--I don't use MACHINES. Ew! I use free weights and barbells. The dip "machine" is just a place to dip. I do bodyweight plus 12lbs.
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Oh, god, Savage--I don't use MACHINES. Ew! I use free weights and barbells. The dip "machine" is just a place to dip. I do bodyweight plus 12lbs.
I don't want to seem critical, but what about the pull downs and stair master? personally I think some equipment - like rowing - can be good, its more an issue of isolating movements with many types. In the past I've liked those dip machines (assists) for doing sets after 'failure' for dips or pullups.
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Hey I'm in
I am eating rzc and consider myself a well rounded athelete. I am running ultras. Run 6-7 days a week. Do some strength for core and arms as well, but not comparable with body bulding style like Katelyn does. I use my own body weight. What I can say is that ZC has definetely improved my ability to run fast. My recovery is also way better. I experienced a shift in becoming tired or exhausted during a run - I gradually become tired and don't have big drops in energy anymore. I never hit the wall anymore so to say. Besides I can run way longer without feeling the need for food. And: I can fast for a very long time after a run now, sometimes I don't eat at all until night after my morning run.
Nicole
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I don't want to seem critical, but what about the pull downs and stair master? personally I think some equipment - like rowing - can be good, its more an issue of isolating movements with many types. In the past I've liked those dip machines (assists) for doing sets after 'failure' for dips or pullups.
I use a lot of cables, but do not consider those machines. By "machines" I mean those awful Nautilus or other brand that does not allow any movement. Cables are attached to a machine, but you have free range of movement like free weights and dumbbells. I was just talking weights here, not cardio, which needs a machine.
I think traditional machines are awful! If I were a newbie again I would go right to free weights and cables. Machines do not let you accurately gauge your strength and artificially restrict movement. I wish they would all disappear. Of course, I go in and work the weights and and cables and just ignore all the machines, glad those awful contraptions and the stupid aerobic classes suck up some people so they get out of my way when I'm training. My body is my hobby and I don't like to step over people to get my training in. ;)
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cardio, which needs a machine.
eh?
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eh?
If you are at the gym it does. :) I do powerwalking and hiking outdoors. I am not a runner.
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Well yeah, running with shoes does suck =)
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If you are at the gym it does. :) I do powerwalking and hiking outdoors. I am not a runner.
Machines do not let you accurately gauge your strength and artificially restrict movement.
I stopped using treadmills because of the same reason you disdain machines for other exercise.
Other than the lack of fresh air and sun they also have severe limits on the quickness of speed increase/decrease which can be annoying or dangerous depending on which way you need to go. I got such increase to my running times, endurance, etc. when I moved outside; I'll never go back to a machine.
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I never used a treadmill...I started running outdoors - and yes shoes do suck! I run barefoot, in autumn or in certain areas (I have the privilege to live in the woods ;D) where there is too much acorns and such on the ways or I want to run off the trails I use FF's. I have never been to a gym once in my life. The thought of being indoors using some equipment reminds me too much of sports classes in school...boring. Rather outside, fresh air, jumping over trees that are lying in the way, climbing up one every once in a while, swimming in a lake and running back home. That's fun!
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Sounds awesome.
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Not gonna be able to do RZC, good luck to you guys.
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It may sound like it, but I don't.. All I know is that it didn't work very well for me. I respect it working for others. I do how ever know that optimal muscle growth and muscle recovery needs carbs. You'll never reach your maximum potential with out eating carbs. ....
I see comments like those from the pro-carb crowd, and others where pro-carbers say you should eat carbs like bananas after a workout, then I see stuff like the following that suggest that not only is low carb good for exercise, but fruit afterward is actually bad:
Fruit may be good for weight loss, but bad post workout
Posted on August 2, 2010 by land animal
….there are 2 reasons that fruit might not be the ideal food to eat immediately after a workout. First, a recent study in the Journal of Applied Physiology found that eating a low-carbohydrate meal after aerobic exercise enhances your insulin sensitivity. This is highly beneficial, since impaired insulin sensitivity, or insulin resistance, is the underlying cause of type 2 diabetes and a significant risk factor for other chronic diseases, such as heart disease (1). Second, consuming any sugar–including fructose–after exercising has been shown to dramatically decrease the fat-burning effect of human growth hormone that is associated with intense physical activity. Bottom line? You might want to skip fruit 2 hours immediately following your workout."
And the source is surprisingly not at all biased toward low carb or carnivore: Land Animal, who proudly reports that she is on board with Healthy (Meatless) Monday—“Start your week with healthy, environmentally friendly meat-free alternatives, http://landanimal.wordpress.com/2010/08/02/fruit-may-be-good-for-weight-loss-but-bad-post-workout
Very confusing, and on the other hand, Lex and Cordain say that VLC may promote a natural form of insulin resistance. There is basically every opinion under the sun re: exercise and how diet affects it and I haven't seen any two people agree on all the fundamentals.
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I've noticed so far that if I don't eat enough fat I feel rather unmotivated and rely on some inner voice for motivation to get through my workout. My sprints and lifting have been fine, but I can't really say for endurance since I haven't been in great shape for it in a while. I'm not hungry after a workout, and usually go to bed without eating at all. I'm not particularly hungry up on waking either, though sometimes I am.
Also, when my weight drops below a certain point I stop getting my period. If more than a few months go by like this then I get scared, and eat more fat than I feel I need to until it comes back. Any girls experiencing this?
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I lost too much weight when I was 19 and lost my period for 2 years. I've been on birth control (oral contraceptives) ever since, and never had problems with them. I have never been off of them long enough to know if I get regular menses. I am 104lbs. and have 13-15% bodyfat, with lots of LBM.
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Keto diet is great for keeping that lean body mass while maintaing strength. I was never able to gain muscle, strength, or size in any significant amounts in ketosis.
I was able to do pretty much any type of workout, and for long periods of time. I could improve on cardio stuff, but I couldn't get big in the gym.
The girls here really seem to like zc and the way it keeps their body looking, but my question is this: where are the dudes who are significantly increasing MUSCLE and SIZE on this diet?
Not a knock on the zc or ketogenic, I will one day go back, just not yet.
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Guittarman,I understand your point.However,this thread is about "athletes".So,that could mean many different things.Judo,power walking,to jumping rope.I doubt there would be many or even any "bodybuilders" per se.Btw,I'm not saying bodybuilders can't be athletes.
But ya,I'm interested in that as well.I knew a guy who was raw-vegan that was pretty big.But RZC,so far,nada.
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Guitarman tried RZC for a week or two so I would take his advice with a grain of salt.
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The girls here really seem to like zc and the way it keeps their body looking, but my question is this: where are the dudes who are significantly increasing MUSCLE and SIZE on this diet?
I'm working on it, give me time. ;) :P
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Wodgina, way to completely mis-characterize my experiments with zc and vlc. I have no intent for this to get in to a big rumble about zc. It didn't work for me (I think developing cavities after 2-3 weeks is reason enough to quit), but I do believe it works for others, that's why I was reading this thread in the first place.
At any rate, I was in ketosis for a solid 3 months and lifting with very slow results (I was between 10-30g carbs a day). Looking back it's possible that my routine had just stagnated, or maybe it really takes 6 months to a year for gene expression and mitochondria to fully adapt. I gave it another try for about a month, but saw my results stagnate/decline, and just decided that I didn't want to wait to start putting on muscle, or face the possibility that I could spend all that time with basically nothing to show other than a failed experiment.
However, to be perfectly honest, I wish that vlc had worked out b/c I REALLY like the benefits of a ketogenic, vlc diet. It's cheap, convienient, simple, satisfying... you guys all know the benefits. I kind of consider vlc to be very similar to zc in terms of how the body processes food for fuel, which is why I'm interested in this thread.
Like I said, I could do everything else just fine, and could maintain strength (except for the 1 month experiment - I lost b/c I didn't give my body enough time to adapt), but I just had a tough time putting anything on. And make no mistake, lifting weights is a big deal for many athletic endeavors - baseball, football, gymnastics, etc. Just don't get confused, there are weight lifters, and there are body builders. The former are interested in useable strength while the latter are interested in pretty show muscles. I'm somewhere in between, and use both strength and size as measures of success.
djr, good luck (and I mean that). I would really like to see some ketogenic lifters/body builders who are able to get results.
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What about this Randy Roach guy? Is he RZC? I'm not sure how much carbs he eats,but he's definately a raw meat guy.
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I don't know anyone who has achieved size on VLC or RZC.
Carbs do bloat you up.
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What about this Randy Roach guy? Is he RZC? I'm not sure how much carbs he eats,but he's definately a raw meat guy.
No, Randy Roach eats plenty of carbs, mostly raw I suspect.
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No, Randy Roach eats plenty of carbs, mostly raw I suspect.
From the superhumanradio interview raw eating follow-ups Randy Roach follows AVs juicing methods, and eating 1 fruit a day. Pleanty of honey and avocados with his meat.