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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: mrz on July 01, 2010, 11:56:57 am
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OK so ive switched to completely raw high fat/protein & low carb diet.
i just had a raw grass fed bison heart.. yummy..
I have a bunch of grass fed bison meat but they all look lean, no fat.. im trying to get at least 65% calories from fat..
Right now im eating an avocado with each meal.. plus i eat maybe 12 raw egg yolks a day... id like to avoid oils for fat..
some of you are saying the spleen/suet? what is that and where the heck do you buy that from? i dont see it online and my local health food store doesnt have spleen..
so you guys that are getting 60%+ calories from fat, how do you do it? please share..
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i'll add i dont really want dairy... im thinking of coconut oil??
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I don't know if it's because there's something wrong with me, but I can't eat 'much' fat before I'll get diarrhoea(etc..[the many other bad things that come with it])...
It's still a lot by 'normal' standards though..
One thing I'm not sure of though, is how much that is down to the proportion of fat, and how much is down to sheer quantity...
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Buy live muscle fat.
It should be part of your tbone or sirloin or whatever cuts.
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i do buy fatty meats, but i dont think the fat is enough.. a little fat in the meat means the protein count is still a lot higher..
also does marrow go by another name in the store? or do i just go into a whole foods and ask them for the marrow?
Any of u here use coconut oil?
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Buy live muscle fat.
It should be part of your tbone or sirloin or whatever cuts.
If eating carnivorous/"ZC" it's not enough fat GS. You really do need to find some source of supplemental fat if you're avoiding carbs.
some of you are saying the spleen/suet? what is that and where the heck do you buy that from? i dont see it online and my local health food store doesnt have spleen..
You want suet, not spleen. Spleen is an organ itself, the suet is fat from around internal organs (the kidneys being the primary source).
Try these sources:
http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/ (http://www.texasgrassfedbeef.com/)
http://www.northstarbison.com/ (http://www.northstarbison.com/)
http://www.eatwild.com/ (http://www.eatwild.com/)<-Find local producers/farmers with this site.
Most health food stores in my experience won't carry grass-finished fat. You can look in the phone book and call all you find but I doubt you'll find much that way.
so you guys that are getting 60%+ calories from fat, how do you do it? please share..
I frequent a farmer at my local farmer's market who has lots of suet & marrow. It's the only way I can meet my fat calorie needs.
also does marrow go by another name in the store? or do i just go into a whole foods and ask them for the marrow?
They'll call it marrow.
Any of u here use coconut oil?
I do not and have not. Some here have or do you use it with some modicum of success but many others have problems with it. You can give it a shot and see how you do with it but know you may have problems with it. Make sure you get unheated oil.
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how much fat does the actual marrow contain
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how much fat does the actual marrow contain
By calories, caribou marrow is 97% fat, 3% protein. Caribou is the only marrow i've seen on any nutrition database.
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hmm sounds good.. what does marrow taste like? and any reputable sites that sell it?
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I use Fitday to track anything I put in my mouth (I do weight-lifting and like to have a bikini body year round, low BF%) and I thrive on 70-80% fat. I eat mostly raw 80/20 ground beef and raw bone marrow. I also eat eggs, and put in extra yolks. I eat pork ribs and lamb. I don't eat chicken, turkey or fish, except for chicken hearts.
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I called North Star bison and they have it :D
so how do u guys eat it? break the bone and scoop the marrow or what?? sorry for all these noob questions but you guys are literally saving my life here :)
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I think usually they cut it in half for you. They do it with a saw, so I suppose you could do it if they don't. I've just scooped it out with anything... the handle of a teaspoon for example.. If it gets crumbly you can just scrape it out on to a plate.
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how many of those bones/lbs do i need to actually get around 2k calories in fat/day?
Basically if the bone weighs like 1lb, how much stuff can u actually scoop out of it?
I ordered 4lbs, but dont know if that will last a day cause im not sure how much can be scooped from it
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so how do u guys eat it? break the bone and scoop the marrow or what??
I get full round bones cut into 4-6" segments. I scrape/push the marrow out with a butter knife.
how many of those bones/lbs do i need to actually get around 2k calories in fat/day?
A fair amount. If I'm eating marrow bones as my fat source one day I'll usually go through 3-5 bones.
Basically if the bone weighs like 1lb, how much stuff can u actually scoop out of it?[/url]
A one pound bone is going to give you a couple ounces of marrow. It's a nutrient dense source of fat though so it's worth it. Definitely not the cheapest calorie to dollar source of fat/energy but it's probably the most beneficial easily-purchased source. Suet's sustaining but marrow feels more alive when you eat it. :)
I ordered 4lbs, but dont know if that will last a day cause im not sure how much can be scooped from it
You should be ok for a day, maybe two. Once you know if you like it you can order bigger orders to save on shipping. ;)
sorry for all these noob questions but you guys are literally saving my life here :)
No problem, we've all been there. ;)
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how many calories do u think u get from 1lb of bone marrow..
wow this diet can get expensive.. i tried to eat a steak with a lot of fat, its sooo chewy i couldnt break it up completely, so i ended up just swallowing it
do any of u kinda just swallow the animal fat after chewing for a bit?
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quick question, why do u guys discourage nuts?
its such an easy way of getting calories.. brazil nuts/almonds.. i can get hundreds of calories per bite..
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I buy bones that are already cut and in containers at my market. I let them sit a bit until the bones are not frozen but not soft, and push the marrow out with my thumb. I then refrigerate. Then I can weigh the marrow in ounces before I eat them with my raw ground beef. I eat anywhere from 1-4 oz. at a time.
Nuts are high in omega 6s, have carbs and fiber which takes nutrients from your body.
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how many calories do u think u get from 1lb of bone marrow..
wow this diet can get expensive.. i tried to eat a steak with a lot of fat, its sooo chewy i couldnt break it up completely, so i ended up just swallowing it
do any of u kinda just swallow the animal fat after chewing for a bit?
You should hold the chunk of meat in your hands and rip bits off with your teeth...
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It would never be possible to eat significant amounts of nuts in nature. Also think of nuts and seeds like this: They are little uterises and are very estrogenic. If anyone here is eating nuts/ beans/ seeds and yin foods of that sort, please balance them out with yang type foods such as bee pollen, pine pollen, oysters, scallops, etc... Remember this, 1 bottle of soy formula derived from soy beans provides roughly 7 birth control pills worth of estrogen. This is a huge under-looked problem and is one big reason why men are more feminine today and have erection/ testosterone problems. we are giving babies hormones and chemicals in the most crucial stages of development which screws them over for life. We have the worst infirtility counts ever in history now and its getting worse and worse, a big part of that is flax and soy. My advice would be to avoid soy/ flax/ black beans, and all other nuts/seeds/legumes like poison.
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It would never be possible to eat significant amounts of nuts in nature. Also think of nuts and seeds like this: They are little uterises and are very estrogenic. If anyone here is eating nuts/ beans/ seeds and yin foods of that sort, please balance them out with yang type foods such as bee pollen, pine pollen, oysters, scallops, etc... Remember this, 1 bottle of soy formula derived from soy beans provides roughly 7 birth control pills worth of estrogen. This is a huge under-looked problem and is one big reason why men are more feminine today and have erection/ testosterone problems. we are giving babies hormones and chemicals in the most crucial stages of development which screws them over for life. We have the worst infirtility counts ever in history now and its getting worse and worse, a big part of that is flax and soy. My advice would be to avoid soy/ flax/ black beans, and all other nuts/seeds/legumes like poison.
yeah i figured nuts arent the most healthiest things.. how about avocados? right now my diet revolves around meat, eggs & avocados.. what else can i add to this?
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OMG cutting it with scissors worked.. i just ate a NY strip with a lotta fat on the end and i cut it and i was able to eat the whole thing.. is it weird that the raw meat tastes incredibly good.. it actually tastes better than BBQ'ed meat to me now..
Also, i add a pinch of sea salt.. is this bad at all :( like a LITTLE pinch, very small i can barely taste it.. maybe next time i'll try it without salt and see how it goes..
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OMG cutting it with scissors worked.. i just ate a NY strip with a lotta fat on the end and i cut it and i was able to eat the whole thing.. is it weird that the raw meat tastes incredibly good.. it actually tastes better than BBQ'ed meat to me now..
Awesome.
It's not weird at all that it tastes good. Many don't enjoy the flavor of raw meat at first but plenty do. I'd take it as a sign that you're body is happy to get the nutrients in the meat.
Also, i add a pinch of sea salt.. is this bad at all :( like a LITTLE pinch, very small i can barely taste it.. maybe next time i'll try it without salt and see how it goes..
I sprinkle a dash of sea salt on most of my meat. Some people think salt is evil, some say a bit is ok. I find I need a bit of it in my diet.
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yeah i figured nuts arent the most healthiest things.. how about avocados? right now my diet revolves around meat, eggs & avocados.. what else can i add to this?
It depends, are you zero carb? I think avacados are great. You could add coconut oil and coconut milk, I love the stuff, you can eat it, put it on your skin, anything really. I find that it makes my skin nice and soft.
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zero carb.. but arent people here anti coconut oil??
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zero carb.. but arent people here anti coconut oil??
Most are.
Some do well with it an advocate it's use. Primal Dieters also advocate Coconut Cream as it's touted by AV in his books.
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i have some coconut cream, for some reason strong coconut smell puts me off..
can i eat whole coconuts? or i guess it wont be the same thing
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Whole coconut cream is amazing and its fat content is awesome. Id op for that if you have it. And yes some of us are more strict than others so they dont believe in coconut but I feel that when I eat/ drink it it soothes me. I personally like the smell, but thats just me. What I like most about it is that you can use it for anything, skin, hair, consumption, lubricant, trust me it is the best lubricant. I like the taste a lot more than milk too. One thing I like to do is make shakes with coconut milk, coconut cream, as many eggs as I want, and raw unheated honey. Unheated honey is also an amazing food. I dont make plain water shakes at all cause I dont like the taste of just pure eggs and water so I use the coconut and it works.
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Pioneer how does that shake taste and do u have a recipe
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Coconut cream needs to be made fresh (1-2 weeks) in order for it to be most vital, although you can eat it fermented. If it is in a container and not getting sour, its likely heated. the oil actually holds up quite well in comparison. Tastes really strange personally.
there seem to be a few ZC people eating coconut oil, I guess it depends if one's definition is 'animal food only' or eating no significant carbs from plant sources, which can include condiments, leaves or fruit oils I suppose.
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way i see it, if i eat meat, eggs, and the WORST Thing i eat is coconut cream and avocado, im doing pretty well i gotta say..
i havent had candy, soda, juice, cooked food, in days now, and my face is clearing up..
i also dont have horrible breath in the morning anymore.. we'll see as things progress.. i'll do a 30 day update on here.. im not breaking my diet at all.. all raw for me..
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I just looked at the other thread. sounds good to me. eggs and avocados are great sources of fat and nutrients, although sometimes people can get reactions due to internal issues leading to fatigue or digestive problems...or issues with the feed of the birds etc...I've never had a problem with un-fertile eggs, but some claim its necessary for their digestion of the whites. Start a journal and make note of your reactions and progress. the large Florida style avocados which are probably now out of season, usually feel more natural in my body, although they export poorly. I havn't seen good quality hass in years, always stringy/mealy and tasteless. plus the organic varieties at 2.50-3.00 a pop tend to outprice almost all other fats per calorie.
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way i see it, if i eat meat, eggs, and the WORST Thing i eat is coconut cream and avocado, im doing pretty well i gotta say..
Thats the same way I feel and I realize I could be more strict if I wanted but I have loved making shakes for years and coconut cream and milk work great for taste in shakes. My calories are about 80% or more animal (including eggs) and 20% or less from some coconut, unheated honey, some avocado, some celery, some carrots, tomatoes, and some other veggies in small portions. I know Im not 100% ZC and some day I might just do that, but I enjoy adding flavor to this diet with the coconut, unheated honey, and avacado. If I had to have only 3 foods they would be animal (all parts, esp fat), coconut, and unheated honey. Also consider this; If I added up all the calories of those foods I listed, about only 2% would be from carbs that cannot spike insulin or cause glycation so Idk. I do believe that we were carnivores for the most part and a wise man from this forum named actionhero said "animal is real food, all the other stuff is just meant to keep you alive till you find real food." That is totally what I believe.
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Hey Pioneer my man! How can one tell if honey is unheated or not? By the way... One thing I really enjoyed once was coconut with honey. Also, why do I recall reading that nightshades(e.g. tomato) are not paleo, or not good?
Also.. When would you eat celery?
Separate: Is it protein and carbs which people have said don't digest well together? Because they require opposite conditions?
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Separate: Is it protein and carbs which people have said don't digest well together? Because they require opposite conditions?
wow this is new news to me and I find it very interesting, I'll have to look into that. All I know is fat and protein are always together in nature so that is the best combo. Fat with carbs are good to because fat slows the spike in insulin and lowers the GI while also making nutrients more absorbable.
As for when I eat celery, my diet is pretty much AV primal diet without the milk and dairy. I love the enzyme content of honey and I dont know if it is true what he says about vegetables being the best way to avoid dehydration, but I have experimented with this and I must say, eating a tomato while exercising makes me fine throughout the whole workout and I dont feel the need to drink. You probably have read this but according to AV, vegetable's water is more cellularly utilizable and better than even water for the body.
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Oh and to answer your honey question, I get my honey at a local market. It is labeled "Totally raw, unheated, may contain bee pollen and/ or bee parts". I guess I just assume if it says raw and unheated your good. I wonder who the dumbass is who thought of pasteurizing it. l)
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Also, why do I recall reading that nightshades(e.g. tomato) are not paleo, and/or not good?
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Honestly I have no idea, and hope that I wont have to ditch them. :'( I know I heard that in nature potatoes and onions are poisonous but I never heard of tomatoes.
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Does anyone order fat from Slanker's?
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Does anyone order fat from Slanker's?
I did. Availability was spotty due to the increasing number of people buying from them so I found a local supplier. The fat from Slankers is pretty good quality.
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what type of fat do you guys order from them
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Was it the suet or fat package, and what animal?
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Slankers has a number of different animal fats listed but they are almost always out, same goes for smaller animal organs. cow is of course the most likely to be in stock. Make sure you don't order knuckle bones, unless you like soup. :)
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Was it the suet or fat package, and what animal?
I mostly ordered cow suet. I tried to order cow fat trimmings but they were always out. I also made orders of lamb fat and bison suet but my body did not like it so I couldn't eat it.
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how can u tell if your body doesnt like something
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It is unenjoyable.
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how can u tell if your body doesnt like something
I got gas, indigestion, and diarrhea. It wanted it out ASAP. ;)
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I want to try lamb suet or fat from Slankers. Which would be the recommended choice?
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I want to try lamb suet or fat from Slankers. Which would be the recommended choice?
Fat. Lamb's fat is more saturated than beef so will already be a bit harder for your body to process, don't make it that much harder by getting suet.
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Thank you. I would try Slanker's beef fat/suet first but it requires 4 pound packages. If I am able to consume lamb in large quantities, it will be a very valuable resource re fat content and organ consumption will be easier.
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Thank you. I would try Slanker's beef fat/suet first but it requires 4 pound packages. If I am able to consume lamb in large quantities, it will be a very valuable resource re fat content and organ consumption will be easier.
I believe you need to buy any of Slanker's fat/suet in 4 pound packages. I know when I orderede lamb fat it was a 4 pound bag.
There's also a 15 pound minimum IIRC from Slanker's so you might as well get a big thing of fat.
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Do you guys ever use sauces? If so do you have a recipe?
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I never use sauces. I love the taste of meat by itself. But being ZC, I usually have eggs and my grassfed Kerrygold on top.
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i don't use sauces, but i have some of av's recipes somewhere... i'll look those up and get back to you. i think they are either avocado, olive oil, or coconut cream based with spices. sound like what you're looking for?
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i don't use sauces, but i have some of av's recipes somewhere... i'll look those up and get back to you. i think they are either avocado, olive oil, or coconut cream based with spices. sound like what you're looking for?
yeah, but it's cool, I have his book too, I was just wondering of anyones personal recepies?
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oh, i don't have any then.
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I recently found an amish farmer in my area who sells raw heavy cream. Apparently, aajonus followers order products from this guy even all the way from california. I actually love everything about the raw cream and will be consuming that stuff frequently now. Plus, I wont be getting any of the negative effects of the caseins in milk. Raw cream and butter seem good in my book, even though they aren't very paleo.