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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: mrz on August 08, 2010, 07:48:13 am
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i know we are supposed to eat low carb.. but im body building and im trying to get like 200-300 calories/day from carbs to help me gain weight.. are fruits like banana a goood source? or should i use raw honey..
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I do bodybuilding, too, on high fat and the rest protein. My carbs come from eggs. What you wrote is complete broscience about 200-300 grams of carbs. That is your path to diabetes and other problems. I would not go higher than 50 grams a day of carbs, and that is being generous.
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Surely you know enough to not expect a conclusive or unanimous answer to this one. Considering this is the Canrivore section, the answer is likely to lean in that direction. If you do it, especially in those amounts, you will be pretty far off from the principals of this way of eating.
If you handle them well and it helps you visualize your goals as attainable, especially if they are only for the short-term, go for it. You could probably do fine with out them too, though.
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I do bodybuilding, too, on high fat and the rest protein. My carbs come from eggs. What you wrote is complete broscience about 200-300 grams of carbs. That is your path to diabetes and other problems. I would not go higher than 50 grams a day of carbs, and that is being generous.
you look tiny.. im trying to pack on 20lbs of muscle..
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you look tiny.. im trying to pack on 20lbs of muscle..
You've made her day!
are you male of female? do you eat raw paleo?
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Pretty much any fruit would be fine. Bananas are usually first choice because many people love the taste, they're cheap and convenient.
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I'm not recommending this,but the way they "bulk up" livestock(and Sumo wrestlers as well)is with grains.I doubt bananas would put 20 pounds on you(or a Sumo wrestler).I know that it would be mostly fat weight but that's how it goes.Anyway,good luck.
The healthy way to do it would be to increase your fat intake,but that's a long process that you may not have the patience for. 8)
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I was having some fruit across the last ~month. First day was sort of alright, gradually got worse each day, I got weaker and weaker, my body felt like it could be ripped apart, like it was held together my less and less each day and then yesterday I had like diabetic fever, my brain was sloshing, headache, I knocked in to some things and cut myself, was up like 2908425 times at night, felt sick.. Then again, whilst the weakness thing is still from that, the sickness was the day after eating that sardine, so I don't know if that could have caused the sickness part. But maybe I only got sick because I was so weak from the fruit..
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im eating a lot of fat now.. im eating at least 2000 calories/day from marrow/nuts
rest from protein..
somehow this diet has a way of making you drop massive amounts of weight..
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I can't eat lots of fat, it makes me sick/throw up/diarrhoea, low energy. Can't eat fruit, it makes me weak/ill.
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im eating a lot of fat now.. im eating at least 2000 calories/day from marrow/nuts
rest from protein..
somehow this diet has a way of making you drop massive amounts of weight..
How many meals are you eating per day? Normally the less meals a day the better for gaining weight. 200-300 calories isn't that much, if you don't have problems with it I wouldn't worry about that many calories from carbs. You might want to try cycling it, like 2 or 3 days with very low to zero carb, 1 or 2 days with the 200-300 calories of carbs. You get more bang for your calorie that way, and also overall are taking in less carbs. Good luck.
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somehow this diet has a way of making you drop massive amounts of weight..
In my experience one becomes leaner on this diet while still keeping most or all of the functional strength they had prior to beginning. Carbohydrates make the body retain water in the muscles which bulks them up visibly larger. If all you want is quick bulking then carbs will do that. You can build plenty of muscle just fine on a carnivorous diet it's just not going to be as showy.
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In my experience one becomes leaner on this diet while still keeping most or all of the functional strength they had prior to beginning. Carbohydrates make the body retain water in the muscles which bulks them up visibly larger. If all you want is quick bulking then carbs will do that. You can build plenty of muscle just fine on a carnivorous diet it's just not going to be as showy.
Thats what happened and is still happening to me. I also agree that you will have more mass if you eat some carbs. But thats from a purely omnivorous stand point.
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well i want the bulky muscles..
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I can't eat lots of fat, it makes me sick/throw up/diarrhoea, low energy. Can't eat fruit, it makes me weak/ill.
miles, what do you eat then?.. I guess you eat some fat, just not too much? and zc?
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Just meat without extra fat, just what's on it, grain-finished.
As I posted on the previous page though... for around the last month I'd been having some fruit/veg and was getting weaker every day, now I have had a bad fever for a few days... No more plants for me..
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Miles,you can't get grass-finished? or you prefer grain-finished because it's not so lean?
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i notice a difference when i eat grain fed vs grassfed.. try to get grassfed amigo
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I can't get grass-finished.. Or wild game =/
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miles, where in the UK are you? You're welcome to PM me and, if you're lucky, I will reveal my highly-prized, top-secret sources of grass-finished meats and wild game! :)
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mrz,I guess it's a trade off.If you want to be big,you may sacrifice some health.If you want to be healthy,you may sacrifice some bulk.
If you can get both,then write a book...cause you could make some cash 8)
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ya its a problem.. i personally dont think fruits like bananas are even healthy.. fructose isnt good stuff.. not like any sugar is
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Yes, I am tiny, but I'm very strong. My strength comes from lifting on a ZC way of eating and not bonking and feeling fatigue with carbs, let alone water weight and uneven insulin surges. I am fine sitting at 13-15% bodyfat eating more than I even want to. Good luck feeling so satisfied and looking so lean on 200-300 grams of carbs.
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Good luck feeling so satisfied and looking so lean on 200-300 grams of carbs.
I thought mrz was talking about 200-300 calories/day from carbs.
i know we are supposed to eat low carb.. but im body building and im trying to get like 200-300 calories/day from carbs to help me gain weight.. are fruits like banana a goood source? or should i use raw honey..
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yup, and im still looking for answers.. i body build and a little carb a day makes a huge difference..
the debate is whether i should eat like 3 bananas a day.. or a baked sweet potato..
either way, apart from banana/potato, ALL my calories are from raw fats/meat/eggs
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well, its summer time, why not try a variety of summer fruits AND try the baked potato thing (on seperate occasions)? I eat a bit of fruit every few days now, havn't had the same fruit twice.
I honestly don't seem to notice any positive diference in terms of very small quanties of fruits being beneficial in bulking or adding to strength or any other type of thing (in fact probably the opposite due to sensativities/fungal things). As a caveat, I suspect fruits can give beneficial if not necessary vitamins for long term health, especially if one is already heavily limiting their diet to specific domestic animals/muscle meats etc...
Because of the repair/adjustment aspect, in terms of gains, your body doesn't seem to give two craps about what your aesthetic goals are for the most part. I think ultimately, eating a high fat raw diet, you aren't going to see alot of gains during these periods unless you eat alot of high calorie food and exert alot of stress on your muscles and it will be very differnt than those eating mostly cooked diets. adding small ammounts of carbs might boost some kind of metabolic thing for some, but odds are it will be alot less productive than doing so on a cooked diet.
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Well i added one baked potato and it seems to be agreeing with me. It cant be that bad.. we gotta live a lot.
I ate 4,000 calories yesterday.. 3,600 came from back fat, marrow, meat, and eggs,
400 came from baked potato.. id say thats a pretty healthy day..
to top it off too i take good digestive enzymes with the baked potato.. i didnt get bloating, gas, nada.. and my face is still clearing up
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On a paleo diet, you can depend on fruits and vegetables for energy and carbs. Banana is a great idea. Eat cherries and pineapples as well.
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Try raw dairy
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miles, where in the UK are you? You're welcome to PM me and, if you're lucky, I will reveal my highly-prized, top-secret sources of grass-finished meats and wild game! :)
what is ur grass finished source?
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My 13 year old boy likes bananas and other hydrating fruits.
I tried sweet potatoes on him but he prefers bananas. So I try to get the better varieties of bananas like Saba and Latundan and without chemical ripening chemicals.