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Raw Paleo Diet Gallery => Display Your Culinary Creations => Topic started by: Hannibal on September 24, 2010, 02:25:46 pm
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That's how it looks like -
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Isn't it delicious? :)
The ram had eaten grass, herbs, wild fruits, etc.
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That's how it looks like -
Isn't it delicious? :)
The ram had eaten grass, herbs, wild fruits, etc.
That's great, thank you. I thought mutton was less fatty than lamb?? What fruits do they eat?
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What fruits do they eat?
Wild pears, apples, berries.
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I thought mutton was less fatty than lamb??
No, it's definitely more fatty than lamb. The older the more fatty the sheep is.
Besides the ram was killed in the half of the September - it's a perfect time to do it.
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You seem to have access to some amazing foods there Hannibal what with this beautiful mutton and the lamb's testicles etc in your other pic! Such quantities too!! I'm a touch envious! :) Is it easy to obtain such an array of grass-fed animal foods in Poland? Do you buy from local farms, butchers, markets or online?
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Is it easy to obtain such an array of grass-fed animal foods in Poland? Do you buy from local farms, butchers, markets or online?
It's easy when you know where to buy. ;)
I've got a friend, who is a Muslim and comes from Dagestan. He has got natural farm, with lots of grass, herbs, some wild fruits in the season. He is very committed to that kind of farming - the more natural the better :)
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How long do you reckon 22kg will last you?
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How long do you reckon 22kg will last you?
I guess - about one month
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Wild pears, apples, berries.
Thanks!
No, it's definitely more fatty than lamb. The older the more fatty the sheep is.
Besides the ram was killed in the half of the September - it's a perfect time to do it.
I know here on forum it is explained that when an animal gets older, it grows fat under it's skin oven the muscled on the back, most animals, right? But I read on Dr D'Adamo's site that mutton is almost fatless, while lamb is fatty. I realize he can be wrong in things, but as far as I knew (which was nothing) he was right in that. Also in the following links:
http://www.elook.org/nutrition/lamb/4272.html (http://www.elook.org/nutrition/lamb/4272.html)
http://www.elook.org/nutrition/ethnic/5484.html (http://www.elook.org/nutrition/ethnic/5484.html)
..basically the same as D'Adamo. Pictures speak better though, by people who eat meat. D'Adamo has type A blood, and his theory dictates he can't eat meat. He probably never saw mutton.
Yeah, I know it makes sense in the Northern hemisphere to slaughter in Autumn.
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I've got a friend, who is a Muslim and comes from Dagestan. He has got natural farm, with lots of grass, herbs, some wild fruits in the season. He is very committed to that kind of farming
I've had only very good experiences at halal stores, Egyptian/American etc, grassfed meat and fat, organs, not expensive, goat etc.
I heard here in the town I'm presently in you have to buy a whole animal at slaughter. I have not asked directly yet though. I brought a devout Muslim neighbor man to the farm I get chickens at sometimes. He found the chicken the way they raised it/the quality very acceptable and bought and will buy meat there again, as the chicken he normally gets does not seem the same, and he has food sensitivities..
I never heard of Dagestan. Learn something new every day.
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I has got type A blood and I devour meat. ;)
The full-grown sheep of my friend farmer, Abdul, are fatty, so the mutton is fatty, esp. at the end of the summer and at the begging of the fall.
He doesn't kill lambs - they are lean and haven't got much meat.
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It's easy when you know where to buy. ;)
I've got a friend, who is a Muslim and comes from Dagestan. He has got natural farm, with lots of grass, herbs, some wild fruits in the season. He is very committed to that kind of farming - the more natural the better :)
Sounds like heaven on earth Hannibal! I need to get myself some Muslim friends, obviously. Do Muslims, and people from that region in general, have a tendancy towards natural farming? I hadn't heard of this but it sounds very interesting. You're very fortunate to have access to such wonderful food!
22kg sounds like about a months supply to me too. I usually order my meats fortnightly but have just placed my first monthly order with my supplier now that I have my new meat hanging/aging fridge set up. I've ordered 20kg lamb plus liver and hearts.
I has got type A blood and I devour meat. ;)
Glad to hear it. I think there may be some basis of truth with Peter D'Adamo's early work but I think most of it is money-motivated nonsense.
The full-grown sheep of my friend farmer, Abdul, are fatty, so the mutton is fatty, esp. at the end of the summer and at the begging of the fall.
He doesn't kill lambs - they are lean and haven't got much meat.
I tend to eat lamb as my mainstay meat. The breast cuts that I get are extremely fatty - sometimes consisting of very little actual meat! The mutton is much harder to obtain but when I do it hasn't appeared to be as fatty as the lamb ordinarily. However, this could well be due to the season of slaughter/purchase which I haven't closely monitored.
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The problem re buying meats from most Muslims is that they practice halal which means letting the blood out from the carcass after slaughter. IMO, the blood is part of what makes the meat taste great.
I once tried to get hold of high quality grassfed meats from a number of local halal butchers, as I'd hoped they would have higher quality meats. Not one of them had the remotest clue what I was talking about and clearly just sold low-grade supermarket meat which had been slaughtered halal-style, nothing more.
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences on that TD. Perhaps it wouldn't prove as fruitful here in the UK as I was beginning to hope in that case. We seem to really struggle for quality foods here in the UK compared to our compatriots!
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The problem re buying meats from most Muslims is that they practice halal which means letting the blood out from the carcass after slaughter. IMO, the blood is part of what makes the meat taste great.
IMO the meat is better when the blood is let out.
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IMO the meat is better when the blood is let out.
Not my experience. I find the taste of raw wild hare is far better because it's still full of blood whereas other wild game that had been partially bled out a bit tastes not as good. The worst food I've ever tasted was white veal meat in France which was , of course, intensively farmed, and so free of blood that I think it came from the kosher/halal industry, originally.
I haven't, of course, been a regular consumer of kosher/halal meats but I recall Tony Robbins mentioning how kosher/halal meat is tasteless once the blood goes from it, and others have mentioned the same. Admittedly, Robbins is a semi-vegan
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Goat meat and mutton from my friend Abdul is definitely not bland. Its taste and flavour is very distinct.
Once he had some cuts of beef and the blood wasn't let out - the beef wasn't good.
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Wow, no grains needed to make em that fat?
Cool!
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I like the blood in meat too. The bison I get seems to have it. I don"t know why. I wonder how north star slaughters them.
Our ancestors would have likely never cut the throat of an animal. Might have speared it in the neck though, causing similar results as slicing the throat. .
Edit: I think north star just freezes it right away. At least the ones I get frozen from the store. Fresh meat sits on those absorption packs, soaking up much of the juice and/or blood inside the meat that runs out.
Which is why I like to choose the meat with the darkest red color.
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in my farm that's the way i'd raise my animals. all wild fruits and grass they will graze on. most of the time, i don't even rinse the red meat to eat. i just take them with the blood. with ground meat, it's even worse. so, i stop eating them for good.
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Wow, no grains needed to make em that fat?
Only in the winter as it is impossible for them to feed only on hay.
But that fat is made during spring and esp. summer when they live only off the land.
Our ancestors would have likely never cut the throat of an animal.
Why not? Look at the way the carnivores kill their victims.
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Why not? Look at the way the carnivores kill their victims.
Carnivores usually just choke their prey to death.
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Wow, no grains needed to make em that fat?
Cool!
in third world, farmers are too poor to feed the animal grains. so ultimately they don't eat grain. lambs or goats are huge storage of ultimate fats .
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in third world
Gee, thnx. Poland isn't a third world ;)
lambs or goats are huge storage of ultimate fats
The goats aren't definitely fatty. They devour huge amounts of plants, but they would never get fatty. They're similar to roe deers - they all are very lean.
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Gee, thnx. Poland isn't a third world ;)The goats aren't definitely fatty. They devour huge amounts of plants, but they would never get fatty. They're similar to roe deers - they all are very lean.
well, i know about lamb and goat from south east asia. they just graze wild grass and other things. lambs are very fatty there and people don't like to eat fatty meat.
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After 2 weeks it's quite high ;)
The smell is really strong
Yet the taste is good.
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I gave my dog some morsel -
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Airing
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I keep these big jars over here -
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Covered -
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:) cool !
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Nice pics Hannibal! Are those photos taken where you live? It looks like heaven to me - a rustic wood store in the forest! :) How cool! I hope you weren't thinking of cooking that meat on the fire in the background?! ;)
Do you consider the high lamb in the pic as fatty or lean? It looks quite fatty to me. I'll have to get a photo up of the lamb breasts I eat, and consider fatty, to compare.
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Nice pics Hannibal! Are those photos taken where you live? It looks like heaven to me - a rustic wood store in the forest! :)
That's my second home, the best home. I live there practically the whole summertime and now I go there thice a week or at leat once a week.
I hope you weren't thinking of cooking that meat on the fire in the background?! ;)
Of course not. :)
Do you consider the high lamb in the pic as fatty or lean? It looks quite fatty to me.
Definitely fatty. This ram's mutton is very fatty.
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Wow! You're most fortunate Hannibal. If I had a home like that it would most definitely be my FIRST home! It must be wonderful to have such an idyllic escape for the duration of summer and a period of time each week.
Ah, that was the mutton meat! That explains it. I thought perhaps our interpretation of what represents 'fatty' was somewhat skewed! :) I think the lamb I get is fattier but would certainly describe your high mutton as fatty too! :)
BTW, interesting method of producing your high meat. Are the delightful creatures of the forest not attracted to your buried treasure? Or is that part of a cunning plan which would see them, too, served up as the next batch?! ;)
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BTW, interesting method of producing your high meat. Are the delightful creatures of the forest not attracted to your buried treasure? Or is that part of a cunning plan which would see them, too, served up as the next batch?! ;)
;D Thats exactly what I was thinking when I looked at the pics...If I did that where I am the racoons would lift the cover and open the cans and gorge on the high meat (their little hands can do everything). Then next day I'll be left with no meat and a bunch of high racoons running around...at which point I would think of eating the racoons to get back at them (then I would get high-meat-fed racoon meat, what a treat), but I just can't get over their cuteness so I may not kill them ha ha
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ha ha :D Brilliant! High-meat-fed racoon meat. That would surely take some beating?! :) But, I agree, they are probably too cute to kill.
If I did that where I am the racoons would lift the cover and open the cans and gorge on the high meat (their little hands can do everything).
I remember when I was living in an eco-community of strawbale houses, yurts etc in the middle of a 50 acre woodland in SW England. My partner and I had been told tales of badgers going to such great lengths to get at bags of sugar as sneaking into member's abodes, removing heavy items placed on top of trunks, opening the trunk and stealing the discovered bag of sugar! We were also told they could bite clean through a human leg bone if startled!! Needless to say, panic set in when we heard them bustling around at the foot of our bed late one night!! :)
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Tinker's Bubble? Btw, 50 acres is tiny, right?
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Wow! You're most fortunate Hannibal. If I had a home like that it would most definitely be my FIRST home! It must be wonderful to have such an idyllic escape for the duration of summer and a period of time each week.
Yes, indeed, that's my heaven. :)
Look at these pics - http://maciek-tyfel.fotosik.pl/slideshow.php?id=782444&type=album&add1=maciek-tyfel
Ah, that was the mutton meat! That explains it. I thought perhaps our interpretation of what represents 'fatty' was somewhat skewed! :) I think the lamb I get is fattier but would certainly describe your high mutton as fatty too! :)
At the beginning of this topic I put some pics of the fresh cuts - http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/display-your-culinary-creations/22-kg-fatty-male-mutton/msg47535/#msg47535
I really don't think that your lamb could be more fatty than my mutton. ;)
BTW, interesting method of producing your high meat.
It's not that I'm making that high meat purposely. I'm just storing that mutton in this place behind the garage, as it's convenient re intimidating smell.
I think that it will eat the whole batch of the meat to the end of October.
Are the delightful creatures of the forest not attracted to your buried treasure?
They're definitely attracted to that smell.
But what they could do? Nothing 8)
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If I did that where I am the racoons would lift the cover and open the cans and gorge on the high meat (their little hands can do everything).
Maybe that would be true, but I've got comfort, as there aren't any racoons over there; they're don't live in Poland. :)
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Tinker's Bubble? Btw, 50 acres is tiny, right?
Bingo! How you managed to determine that from my description miles I am at a loss to know! Well done! Have you ever stayed there? It's a magical place. Unfortunately, this was 13 years ago that I stayed and long before my RAF days. In fact, I was still vegetarian! I was suffering with totally disabling hay fever during my stay which made it almost unbearable. Of course, I haven't had the slightest sign of hay fever for years now.
Fifty acres is quite a large area and was certainly sufficient to provide the requirements of the 20 or so adults and children living there. Fruit/veg gardens, pigs, goats and a sustainable supply of timber (cut in their own developed steam powered sawmill! I wonder what the place is like now? I would expect that it's moved on significantly.
Maybe that would be true, but I've got comfort, as there aren't any racoons over there; they're don't live in Poland. :)
Do you get badgers or similar scavenging pests?
Ah, yes. I forgot about those pictures of your fresh mutton. I think we could declare it a draw! :) I now recall thinking at the time that your mutton picture where you're holding it on the balcony looks very similar to the lamb breasts that I buy.
So you're just storing your meat in the ground? That's wonderfully paleo (apart from the glass jars obviously!). I hope you're right and that the forest creatures don't get there before you! :)
Yes, indeed, that's my heaven.
Look at these pics - http://maciek-tyfel.fotosik.pl/slideshow.php?id=782444&type=album&add1=maciek-tyfel
Stunning Hannibal! Is that all your own private land/woodland?! You appear quite young still. If you don't mind me asking - what do you do for a living to be able to afford such a wonderful '2nd' home?! How much would something like that cost in Poland? Perhaps I need to relocate to Eastern Europe?!
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Do you get badgers or similar scavenging pests?
Yes, I do, e.g. badgers, foxes. Scavening birds that live there are ravens and crows. I love ravens 8)
Stunning Hannibal! Is that all your own private land/woodland?! You appear quite young still. If you don't mind me asking - what do you do for a living to be able to afford such a wonderful '2nd' home?! How much would something like that cost in Poland? Perhaps I need to relocate to Eastern Europe?!
That land had been bought by my grand grand father in 1926.
That land is about 4,5 hectares; it consists of forest, garden, orchards and large meadow. My father is now the owner, but I'm the only heir, successor.
The cost of that land is app. 1,5 million euro. ;)
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Scavening birds that live there are ravens and crows. I love ravens 8)
To eat or watch!? ???
That land had been bought by my grand grand father in 1926.
That land is about 4,5 hectares; it consists of forest, garden, orchards and large meadow. My father is now the owner, but I'm the only heir, successor.
The cost of that land is app. 1,5 million euro. ;)
Wow! You're very fortunate Hannibal! I guess that swiftly ends any thoughts I may of had about relocating! :) Such an inheritance would serve well as the first raw paleo community as discussed in another thread?!? How do you feel about opening it up for such a venture?!! 8) ;)
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How do you feel about opening it up for such a venture?!! 8) ;)
Definitely! :)
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The same mutton, but older (over 3-weeks-old) ;)
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Thanks for sharing your thoughts and experiences on that TD. Perhaps it wouldn't prove as fruitful here in the UK as I was beginning to hope in that case. We seem to really struggle for quality foods here in the UK compared to our compatriots!
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The UK isn't a paradise for raw food like the Phillippines seems to be, but it's pretty good.
Grass fed small farms if you do your homework, seafood, many fruits, grass fed lamb available at most supermarkets, reasonably priced game, cheap ethnic goat meat etc
OK it would be nice to have Slankers meat on tap etc, but many countries are a lot worse.