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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => General Discussion => Topic started by: Löwenherz on February 06, 2011, 12:35:01 am
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Hi,
I'm looking for good suppliers of 100% grass fed meat in southern France, in the departments Aude and Pyrénées-Orientales. All farmers I contacted so far use concentrates to finish their cattle...
Is anybody from France here who could give me some recommendations?
Löwenherz
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Try asking on the paleocru website as well.
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You can ask to Iguana.
Paleocru is suspended for now.
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Paleocru is still unavailable following a server crash.
100% grass fed beef is unavailable as well in France... except sometimes from Orkos.
Thanks to the journalist Anne-Marie Casteret of “L’express” who killed the instincto movement and subsequently died of cancer. The other French journalists just followed and replicated her lies without checking. That’s the way it goes with journalists. Most of them are morons unable to understand what they write about and just good to repeat what the other have said like sheep following each other.
>D We were a dozen specialized French journalist listening to an very interesting presentation of an engineer in Germany. Then we heard one snoring… he had fallen asleep! What a shame! I wonder what the others understood of the presentation since we were two only to ask questions.
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Paleocru is still unavailable following a server crash.
100% grass fed beef is unavailable as well in France... except sometimes from Orkos.
Thanks to the journalist Anne-Marie Casteret of “L’express” who killed the instincto movement and subsequently died of cancer. The other French journalists just followed and replicated her lies without checking. That’s the way it goes with journalists. Most of them are morons unable to understand what they write about and just good to repeat what the other have said like sheep following each other.
>D We were a dozen specialized French journalist listening to an very interesting presentation of an engineer in Germany. Then we heard one snoring… he had fallen asleep! What a shame! I wonder what the others understood of the presentation since we were two only to ask questions.
Who was she and why the hell would she make up sh!t about the instincto movement?
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The whole story is explained in details by GCB here. (http://www.gcburger.com/home/home-1/qu-est-ce-que-l-instincto-/autres-dnominations-1/les-mdias-face--linstinctothrapie)
It's in French but you can try a Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=0&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gcburger.com%2Fhome%2Fhome-1%2Fqu-est-ce-que-l-instincto-%2Fautres-dnominations-1%2Fles-mdias-face--linstinctothrapie) to have at least an idea of what happen.
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Look in the supermarkeds for Irish red meat. If I am uncertain I go for the Irish stuff since the large majority of their producers grassfeed (grasing+silage) their animals. You can also see it on the creaemy yellow color the fat has compared to the shiny white stuff in the supermarked cooler. Usually you can have them to yourself too because people think since it has yellow fat it must be of a poor quality so its really cheap too. Whats not to like? If Denmark imports it, Ill bet you that so does France.
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The whole story is explained in details by GCB here. (http://www.gcburger.com/home/home-1/qu-est-ce-que-l-instincto-/autres-dnominations-1/les-mdias-face--linstinctothrapie)
It's in French but you can try a Google translation (http://translate.google.com/translate?js=n&prev=_t&hl=en&ie=UTF-8&layout=2&eotf=0&sl=fr&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.gcburger.com%2Fhome%2Fhome-1%2Fqu-est-ce-que-l-instincto-%2Fautres-dnominations-1%2Fles-mdias-face--linstinctothrapie) to have at least an idea of what happen.
Haters will hate, but would love to read up on more info about instincto eating helping with aids if you have any it would be appretiated.
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Bruno Comby had published in 1989 a statistical study of 27 cases titled "Influence du factreur alimentaire sur l'évolution de l'état de santé de sujets séropositifs au virus HIV." I had its 23 pages scanned and can send it on request.
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Sounds good the only problem is that if it is scanned as file pictures rather than documents I won't be able to translate the french. Any chance it has a summary?
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Please remind me later to write a short summary in English, I don't have the time at the moment.
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Please remind me latter to write a short summary in English, I don't have the time at the moment.
Will do, thank you very much.
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Look in the supermarkeds for Irish red meat. If I am uncertain I go for the Irish stuff since the large majority of their producers grassfeed (grasing+silage) their animals. You can also see it on the creaemy yellow color the fat has compared to the shiny white stuff in the supermarked cooler. Usually you can have them to yourself too because people think since it has yellow fat it must be of a poor quality so its really cheap too. Whats not to like? If Denmark imports it, Ill bet you that so does France.
Thanks for your advice!
Unfortunately irish beef from the big exporters is not really grass-fed anymore. Portugal imports tons of beef from Ireland. I have testet it several times (while living in Portugal), the quality was always very poor. I think Ireland produces still the best beef in Europe, but you can only get it from small producers directly. AIBP and other meat export giants in Ireland told me that today even imported soy is used for feeding the cattle in Ireland...
Löwenherz
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100% grass fed beef is unavailable as well in France... except sometimes from Orkos.
Hi Iguana,
I'm afraid that you are right...
I'm currently travelling through Aude and Pyrénées-Orientales, talked to several farmers, even organic etc. and so far: Nothing.
I give up.
Greetings from Prades!
Löwenherz
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hey lowenherz you can always go hunting!
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Yes, but he'd have to become a professional hunter to have access to fresh meat daily.
Your best bet is to seek out a community of hunters and buy wild animals from them
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hey lowenherz you can always go hunting!
Of course, you are right! Wild meat is really now problem here, near the Pyrénées...
Löwenherz
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Yes, hunting... otherwise you can sometimes find NZ lamb in supermarkets and horse meat from Argentina. I've eaten a lot of the first but didn't try the second kind yet. Louna and another instincto friend have eaten this horse meat and it seems alright - I hope it's not "grain finished". A friend of mine has started to stockbreed sheep, he currently got 270 of them but most were born somewhere else. If you come around I might be able to find some meat for you, but not sure.
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Yes, hunting... otherwise you can sometimes find NZ lamb in supermarkets and horse meat from Argentina. I've eaten a lot of the first but didn't try the second kind yet. Louna and another instincto friend have eaten this horse meat and it seems alright - I hope it's not "grain finished". A friend of mine has started to stockbreed sheep, he currently got 270 of them but most were born somewhere else. If you come around I might be able to find some meat for you, but not sure.
Thank you very much! I would like to visit you next time (I will fly back to Germany at the end of this week)
NZ LAMB is disastrous, IMO. I have tried it very often during the last years as it is available in EVERY supermarket in Germany and it's cheap. But something is very wrong with it. Ask me why... I really don't know the reason. Anyway I always feel very bad mentally after eating NZ lamb. It's very similar with bad grain fed supermarket meat. Nearly all meat from NZ is irradiated. They use chemicals on their grasslands, etc...
Löwenherz
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The NZFSA (New Zealand Food Safety Authority) has guaranteed me in a e-mail that the meat exported from NZ is not irradiated. It would be very odd that they do that in a country strongly opposed to the nuclear industry. I never had any problem with it, except once.
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I came across a perhaps unsubstantiated rumour a while back, that raw ZC lamb was fed on grains in the 3 months prior to slaughter, re "feedlot". Grassfed-meat sites suggest that allowing the animals to feed on grains for the last 3 months prior to slaughter is very bad.
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Thank you very much! I would like to visit you next time (I will fly back to Germany at the end of this week)
NZ LAMB is disastrous, IMO. I have tried it very often during the last years as it is available in EVERY supermarket in Germany and it's cheap. But something is very wrong with it. Ask me why... I really don't know the reason. Anyway I always feel very bad mentally after eating NZ lamb. It's very similar with bad grain fed supermarket meat. Nearly all meat from NZ is irradiated. They use chemicals on their grasslands, etc...
Löwenherz
I've had raw new zealand lamb here in Manila and I find them delicious and wish I could buy more if I could afford it.
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new zealand lamb is grain finished, but the good thing is grain is not GMO, anything GMO is banned there unlike in australia.
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new zealand lamb is grain finished, but the good thing is grain is not GMO, anything GMO is banned there unlike in australia.
According to what I read it's NOT grain finished. (http://agneau-de-nouvelle-zelande.com/lagneau-de-nouvelle-zelande/8-nouvelle-zelande-lelevage-grandeur-nature.html)( I think I already posted this at least once and I wonder whether it's useful to do it over and over again because you guys always come back with the same unsubstantiated rumors as if you don't take account of the answers you get.)
En Nouvelle-Zélande, la nature est chez elle : les immenses pâturages verdoyants offrent des conditions d’élevage exceptionnelles et le pays est souvent considéré comme la plus grande ferme du monde…
La douceur du climat permet à la majorité des bêtes de rester dans les pâturages tout au long de l’année. C’est ainsi que contrairement à l’Europe où les femelles sont rentrées pour surveiller le bon déroulement de l’agnelage, les agneaux néo-zélandais naissent en extérieur ; les brebis ont été élevées pour un agnelage facile. Les bergers surveillent de plus près les brebis quand l’agnelage est proche afin d’intervenir le plus rapidement possible en cas de problème. Les agneaux restent auprès de leur mère jusqu’à l’âge de trois mois. Ils sont alors emmenés dans des pâturages plus riches, où ils sont engraissés pour être ensuite destiné à l’abattage.
En liberté dans de grandes exploitations, l’agneau néo-zélandais se nourrit d’herbe tendre et de trèfle blanc, dont la richesse en azote constitue l’un des secrets de la réussite de l’élevage local. Pendant l’hiver, les agneaux reçoivent un complément de foin et d’ensilage d’herbe. Les éleveurs néo-zélandais suivent un mode de production respectueux de leur environnement et du bien-être de leurs animaux. Plantes et animaux sont nourris et traités le plus naturellement possible tout en garantissant leurs besoins quotidiens et en optimisant la productivité.
Ainsi, les éleveurs n’utilisent aucun antibiotique préventif à des fins non médicales, les hormones de croissance sont proscrites et l’utilisation de produits comme les fertilisants est réduite au minimum tout en tenant compte des besoins du sol.
Ces conditions d’élevage plus que favorables ont des implications économiques certaines et rendent par conséquent la production de viande relativement bon marché et efficace.
Google translated:
In New Zealand, nature is at home: the vast green pastures provide exceptional growing conditions and the country is often regarded as the largest firm in the world ...
The mild climate allows most animals to remain in pastures throughout the year. Thus, unlike Europe where the females are returned inside to oversee the smooth running of lambing, in New Zealand lambs are born outside, the sheep were bred for easy lambing. The shepherds are watching more closely when lambing ewes is close to intervene as quickly as possible in case of trouble.Lambs remain with their mothers until the age of three months. They are then taken to the greener pastures, where they are fattened and then be intended for slaughter.
Released in large farms, New Zealand lamb eats green grass and white clover, the nitrogen content is one of the secrets of the success of local livestock. During the winter, lambs receiving an additional hay and grass silage. New Zealand breeders follow a mode of production-friendly environment and well-being of their animals. Plants and animals are fed and treated as naturally as possible while ensuring their daily needs and maximizing productivity.
Thus, farmers do not use preventive antibiotics for non-medical, growth hormones are prohibited and the use of products such as fertilizers is minimized taking into account the needs of the soil.
These rearing conditions were more favorable than some economic implications and thus making the production of meat relatively cheap and efficient.
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Iguana, judging from this link you seem to be mostly right except for one big exception:-
http://www.anzcofoods.com/our-products/beef/grain-fed-beef
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According to what I read it's NOT grain finished.
i did not know that. thanks for the link.
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Iguana, judging from this link you seem to be mostly right except for one big exception:-
http://www.anzcofoods.com/our-products/beef/grain-fed-beef
Oh yes, they say their company also markets something very special there: grain finished beef! I hope it was not from one of these that I once bought a beefsteak in Auckland! But I never saw any NZ beef in Europe, only lamb.
The majority of beef available in New Zealand is grass-fed, due to our country’s free ranging pastures and favourable climate, leading to an abundance of fresh green grass all year round.
On world markets, sustainably farmed free-range grass-fed beef is a unique selling point, as most countries are unable to provide both the space and the environment, along with the efficiency and skill to meet the demand for these products.
YS: You're welcome!
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The NZFSA (New Zealand Food Safety Authority) has guaranteed me in a e-mail that the meat exported from NZ is not irradiated. It would be very odd that they do that in a country strongly opposed to the nuclear industry. I never had any problem with it, except once.
What kind of problem did you have with NZ Lamb?
I have seen an video from one of the biggest meat exporters of New Zealand. They proudly presented their hyper-modern slaughterhouses which are completely computer-controlled. Most of the work is done by extremely fast roboters. This was one of the most disgusting videos I have ever seen. Its reason enough for me to stop buying meat from NZ. Furthermore they showed their irradiation machines in this video. Every meat is irradiated for "food safety".
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What kind of problem did you have with NZ Lamb?
My girlfriend and I caught a cold after eating a NZ lamb leg. We thought it was from that, but it's difficult to know for sure. Every other times I ate NZ lamb I had no problem at all.
Isn't that video on line ?
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Almost all NZ meat is totally grass fed - From NZ Beef & Lamb :
'A very small percentage of New Zealand beef and lamb is grain-finished to meet specific market demand.'
( http://www.beeflambnz.co.nz/resources/Reference_Guide.pdf (http://www.beeflambnz.co.nz/resources/Reference_Guide.pdf) )
Personally though I prefer seafood, since all the earths minerals end up in the sea, plus they are wild, and if you choose small fish and crustaceans they are small enough to chuck in the blender to get all the goodness of all parts of the animal, including organs, skin, bones etc : ) Being small also means they are at the bottom of the food chain and won't have bio-accumulated many toxins. Frozen raw prawns and shrimps are my current favorite.
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You can get pastured, grass-fed and finished beef in SW France. We raise it and I know at least one other farmer who does it. We're in the Gers (32).
The differences between French beef and US beef are huge, but I won't bore everyone with details. Ping me at bc@grasspunk.com if you want to talk.
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Glad to know that, we must be very near! I just sent you an e-mail.
François
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Received and replied.
I'm slowly writing up a few documents on the grasspunk website about grass-fed beef but one of the areas I lack is the paleo side. I'll get there - I read all of De Vany's site before it went private a few years back as well as many of the other texts, so I can talk to a lot of the material. I had no idea there were paleo folk in France, but it is all good news to me.