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Raw Paleo Diet to Suit You => Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach => Topic started by: proteus on March 27, 2011, 07:48:11 pm

Title: eggs
Post by: proteus on March 27, 2011, 07:48:11 pm

could you survive by eating ONLY raw eggs ?  no meat, no fish, nothing - just eggs.

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Title: Re: eggs
Post by: TylerDurden on March 27, 2011, 07:52:29 pm

NO! After all, there is the antinutrient avidin etc.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: achillezzz on March 27, 2011, 08:25:20 pm

The egg yolk has more biotin than that avidin in the whites.

Lets face it tyler we dont know/not sure about the answer for this guys question.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: Löwenherz on March 27, 2011, 09:52:35 pm

Quote from: proteus on March 27, 2011, 07:48:11 pm

could you survive by eating ONLY raw eggs ?  no meat, no fish, nothing - just eggs.

?

The question is how long do you want to survive? I think some months with eggs only should be possible... Human beings can survive on nearly everything, but thriving is another story.

Löwenherz

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: Iguana on March 27, 2011, 10:45:17 pm

Exactly. You can survive about one month with water only. You can probably survive somewhat longer with only water and eggs!

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: jessica on March 27, 2011, 11:01:59 pm

sure :)

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on March 28, 2011, 03:36:43 am

well i ask because my current diet looks like this

raw vegan + whole raw eggs + animal protein powder ( about 70% whey, 20% casein and 10% egg )

and i am thinking how much eggs should i be having.  right now i am using probably 6 eggs + 150-200 grams of protein powder a day.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: Iguana on March 28, 2011, 05:13:08 am

Animal protein powder…  ???

For someone at a given moment one egg a day is too much while for somebody else 15 eggs in one day can be not enough. We are all different, we have different needs and moreover these needs vary wildly with time. In addition, some people need the yolks only while some other people need both whites and yolks.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on March 28, 2011, 08:43:21 am

Quote from: Iguana on March 28, 2011, 05:13:08 am

In addition, some people need the yolks only while some other people need both whites and yolks.

i use whole eggs for economic reasons - i just don't see the point of throwing out good food.  some people throw out yolks, others throw out whites and they both have their reasons but ultimately they're both wasting food.  both the yolk and the white are in there for a reason - if the chicken didn't need one of them it wouldn't be there.  aside from that i also save time by not separating them.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: CitrusHigh on March 28, 2011, 09:21:37 am

haha yeah, protein powder? Why?  ???

That is in like a different dimension than raw foods. I'm not downing you, it's just so out of place. Cooked is one thing, but heavily processed, homogeneous powder seems kind of heinous. Of course I rock the ganje so who am I to talk? ha

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on March 28, 2011, 09:46:42 am

Quote from: CitrusHigh on March 28, 2011, 09:21:37 am

haha yeah, protein powder? Why?  ???

That is in like a different dimension than raw foods. I'm not downing you, it's just so out of place. Cooked is one thing, but heavily processed, homogeneous powder seems kind of heinous. Of course I rock the ganje so who am I to talk? ha

to be perfectly honest i don't know the physics / chemistry of the process used to make those protein powders.  i just know that cooked food makes me feel sluggish and tired, but protein powders do not.  of course different protein powders are different so i wouldn't want to generalize - but the ones i am using do not make me feel slow / tired.

i think it has to do with how easily the body can turn food into a water solution.  raw eggs and high quality protein powders go into solution form instantly, so they provide minimal load on your digestive system. 

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: CitrusHigh on March 28, 2011, 11:04:41 am

I'd agree that they would not be tough to break down like something with a lot off fiber, maybe something like raw yam, but on a cellular level your pancreas is going to have to expend the energy for the digestive enzymes, and of course any time you cook something, toxins are going to be generated so that's going to add a load to your immune system directly. Plus the chances are better than good that the protein is coming from a less than ideal source (cafo, farmed fish, etc) so that's some more bad juju there.

Just some thoughts, do what works for ya but maybe your body is saying it doesn't like that and you're not reading the signs.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: jessica on March 28, 2011, 11:11:07 am

what does "raw vegan" entail...does that mean you also eat vegetables, or you eat vegans?

if you want to eat the whole egg you can eat the shells as well....seriously grind them and soak them in lemon juice.....calcium citrate...not sure if that legit or not but ill believe it until a ridiculously long and in depth scientific analysis of why that is dumb is posted....

also they probably cook the protein powder in the processing.

if its an economic issue maybe you can find cheap cuts of grassfed and buy in bulk, finding deals through ranchers and their butchers are usually the best bet, honestly it seems any kind of meat no hormone no antibiotic meat would be better than what you are doing.....you might be missing out on a variety of different nutrients with your diet, and perhaps an excess of others...i wouldnt be suprised if you didnt become allergic to what you are eating after a while, that happens with weird shit like eggs.............

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: magnetic on March 28, 2011, 12:54:48 pm

Maybe try adding a lean grass fed ground beef instead of the protein powder, along with lean wild fish.  Throw in some ground organ meats and you are all set (or grind them yourself).  Organ meats can sometimes be found cheaper than muscle meats, and they are more nutritious.

Hell, you could get some pastured free range chicken and grind it up.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: MaximilianKohler on April 12, 2011, 07:31:30 am

mercola has raw, grass-fed, high quality protein powder that tastes amazing, it's pretty expensive though

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on April 12, 2011, 08:50:42 am

Quote from: MaximilianKohler on April 12, 2011, 07:31:30 am

mercola has raw, grass-fed, high quality protein powder that tastes amazing, it's pretty expensive though

what kind of protein, whey ?  

my main protein now:

http://www.amazon.com/Whey-Protein-Certified-Organic-Unflavored/dp/B004AC06FS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1302569504&sr=8-3

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: laterade on April 12, 2011, 09:55:05 am

Why not eat meat?

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: achillezzz on April 12, 2011, 06:01:14 pm

yea why not eat meat?

RPD is all about meat.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: Josh on April 12, 2011, 07:00:08 pm

If you want a protein powder for convenience or whatever reason you could go for egg protein.

You can also get egg white or egg yolk powder separately.

It's spray dried egg...from the shittest battery chickens no doubt, but may be the right tool for some.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: alycia on April 12, 2011, 11:39:40 pm

Has anyone had adverse reactions to raw eggs?

I have been consuming raw duck eggs (mainly just yolks) and lately i have been very VERY itchy mainly on my torso but also arms and legs.  Now i have red pinhole size dots on my torso ???

And i am breaking out, which i never do! 
So weird, all i can think of is the eggs?

I've also read that raw eggs can cause one to detox, is that true? 

thanks  :)

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: Josh on April 13, 2011, 01:44:24 am

I used to be allergic to egg white, but seem to have got over it. Maybe give them a miss for a while until you're more into paleo.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: MaximilianKohler on April 13, 2011, 12:38:25 pm

Quote from: proteus on April 12, 2011, 08:50:42 am

what kind of protein, whey ? 

my main protein now:

http://www.amazon.com/Whey-Protein-Certified-Organic-Unflavored/dp/B004AC06FS/ref=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&qid=1302569504&sr=8-3

http://proteinpowder.mercola.com/

both of the whey proteins are made from raw milk, which would be a big step up from organic pasteurized. The one I tried was the miracle whey.

I was interested before in adding his whey protein to my diet sometime in the future whenever I could afford it because I read "overall top food for maximizing your glutathione is high quality whey protein"
but apparently I didn't read enough because he also says you can get it from raw meat, raw eggs, and even raw vegetables and fruits - as well as exercise... so the only reason left to buy it would be for the taste/variety

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on April 13, 2011, 11:13:07 pm

Quote from: MaximilianKohler on April 13, 2011, 12:38:25 pm

http://proteinpowder.mercola.com/

both of the whey proteins are made from raw milk, which would be a big step up from organic pasteurized.

here is a quote from his page:

Quote

Pro-Optimal Whey™ uses Proserum® Whey Protein. Proserum® is a customized non-denatured, whey protein powder. It undergoes a unique pasteurization process to keep the full range of all the fragile immune balancing and restoring components of fresh raw milk.

so its just as processed and just as pasteurized as mine.  only mine is certified organic and this one isn't and this one costs much more.  grass fed is nice but there is so much BS on that page that frankly it made me lose interest.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on April 13, 2011, 11:18:42 pm

Quote from: alycia on April 12, 2011, 11:39:40 pm

Has anyone had adverse reactions to raw eggs?

I have been consuming raw duck eggs (mainly just yolks) and lately i have been very VERY itchy mainly on my torso but also arms and legs.  Now i have red pinhole size dots on my torso ???

And i am breaking out, which i never do! 
So weird, all i can think of is the eggs?

I've also read that raw eggs can cause one to detox, is that true? 

thanks  :)

if u think its eggs why not stop and see if it goes away ?

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: MaximilianKohler on April 14, 2011, 01:42:34 am

hmm, weird. The miracle whey page doesn't say it's pasteurized though.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on April 14, 2011, 02:16:18 am

Quote from: MaximilianKohler on April 14, 2011, 01:42:34 am

hmm, weird. The miracle whey page doesn't say it's pasteurized though.

but does it say it is NOT pasteurized ?

i'll be honest the price here is the main reason why i won't use it.  i was previously using industry-leading non-organic whey protein ( Syntrax ) which was about $18 / lb.  then i upgraded to organic whey ( also microfiltered, like Syntrax ) which is about $23 / lb.  in my view extra $5/lb is worth it for certified organic here.  but extra $20/lb for grass fed ?  obviously depends on your income - since i don't work right now i will have to skip that.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: raw-al on April 15, 2011, 12:48:40 am

Quote from: alycia on April 12, 2011, 11:39:40 pm

Has anyone had adverse reactions to raw eggs?

I have been consuming raw duck eggs (mainly just yolks) and lately i have been very VERY itchy mainly on my torso but also arms and legs.  Now i have red pinhole size dots on my torso ???
And i am breaking out, which i never do! 
So weird, all i can think of is the eggs?
I've also read that raw eggs can cause one to detox, is that true? 
thanks  :)

As Iguana said earlier some thrive and some cannot survive on eggs (or on the full spectrum of foods).

Easiest thing is to give them up for a month and see what you notice.

A lot seem to prefer the yolks. Some people seem to have big issues with whipped eggs such as in a smoothie, some don't.

One suggestion is that modern chickens have been bred so intensively for so long that they are in a sense genetically modified. It's difficult to say for sure but it seems that eggs pose difficulties for some people.

When I started the primal diet I ate 6 to 10 a day. Then I started to dislike them and had an upset stomach from that so I tried eating the yolks alone and that was fine, but being a skin-flint I saved the whites and at some point decided to cook them. BiG MiStAkE. Boy was I sick!

So I backed off to maybe one a day in a milkshake which was fine. Now I eat them occasionally, say 1 - 3 a day.

When you consider what people in the German concentration camps of WW2 lived on, all bets are off on exactly what you need to live on.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: alycia on April 15, 2011, 06:07:10 am

Quote from: raw-al on April 15, 2011, 12:48:40 am As Iguana said earlier some thrive and some cannot survive on eggs (or on the full spectrum of foods). Easiest thing is to give them up for a month and see what you notice. A lot seem to prefer the yolks. Some people seem to have big issues with whipped eggs such as in a smoothie, some don't. One suggestion is that modern chickens have been bred so intensively for so long that they are in a sense genetically modified. It's difficult to say for sure but it seems that eggs pose difficulties for some people. When I started the primal diet I ate 6 to 10 a day. Then I started to dislike them and had an upset stomach from that so I tried eating the yolks alone and that was fine, but being a skin-flint I saved the whites and at some point decided to cook them. BiG MiStAkE. Boy was I sick! /quote]

Thank you  :)

I think i may be having a hard time digesting animal foods in general, I'm new to hardcore RPD. I was hoping the raw eggs would be a quick and easy transition into more meats.  I may just skip to meat on a regular basis and see how i do.  

Another thing i thought about was i was doing raw eggs yolks with fruit (mainly banana's) - wonder if it is the combo with fruit  ???

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on April 15, 2011, 06:14:00 am

Quote from: alycia on April 15, 2011, 06:07:10 am

Another thing i thought about was i was doing raw eggs yolks with fruit (mainly banana's) - wonder if it is the combo with fruit  ???

it's probably you.  i have eggs in combination with everything ( fruits, vegetables, spinach etc ) without problems.  i add an egg or 2 or 3 to virtually everything i blend up in the blender or food processor - i like how it affects the texture.

i get problems with cooked meat, unblended nuts, coffee and milk.

i don't have problems with whey protein though.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: raw-al on April 15, 2011, 06:27:09 am

alycia,
You asked about detoxing. That subject has been beat to death in the past. Basically detoxing seems to be used as an excuse to explain why people react badly to foods.

The theory is that when you eat something that is really good for you it goes around your body and dislodges all the really bad toxins and these toxins run around causing various forms of havoc. This sounds a bit like a conspiracy theory and I believe it is basically used to explain away a serious reaction to something.

However it is possible in the case of someone with a serious buildup of "stuff" in the body that when dislodged too quickly it can cause other serious problems. An example might be someone with serious buildup in the blood vessels. If it is dislodged very quickly it can go downstream and cause serious blockages.

As far as the initial reaction to raw meat, eggs etc. it's not unusual for someone to react initially till your stomach adjusts to the new flavours, textures and smells. It's a big shift in digestive activity. Your gut has to build up a new bacteria profile which could take awhile.

I still find certain meats make me urge. I cannot eat ground meats. Sometimes I grind some fresh pepper on the meat to make it palatable.

Title: Re: eggs
Post by: proteus on April 15, 2011, 06:53:15 am

Quote from: raw-al on April 15, 2011, 06:27:09 am

Basically detoxing seems to be used as an excuse to explain why people react badly to foods.

i got precisely that impression when i was on a raw vegan forum.  its sort of like "they hate us for our freedom" explanation for 911 attacks. 

i used to eat some pretty toxic crap and when i switched to clean food i felt great from the first second.  that's how i knew that all this talk about detoxing is BS.