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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Personals => Topic started by: TylerDurden on October 12, 2008, 06:45:19 pm
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I've been thinking of ways to get RAFers to meet up. Obviously, this works, for the moment, only in the States, and probably best in California. What would probably work is if someone offered up their house and set a specific date a year off, and we had people writing in and saying that they're coming. What do others think? It's just that I see all these websites offering raw vegan meetups all over the world, and think we should do the same.
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I'd be down with hosting but I don't have a house quite yet. I'm actually planning on making an offer on a house next week so that may change soon. I'll be sure to let you know when that all happens and would love to have get togethers.
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I have a really wonderful villa in Northern Italy, very near the French border, which would be available during certain months of summer for RAF gatherings(with me not necessarily present). London homes are usually too small for sizeable meetings.
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Italy sounds like a good spot to me especially mid summer. Good quality food, good weather and good kitesurfing!.
I live in the most isolated city in the world so I'm used to having to travel miles to get anywhere .
The East and West coasts of the states sound good too.
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Italy sounds like a good spot to me especially mid summer. Good quality food, good weather and good kitesurfing!.
The East and West coasts of the states sound good too.
I'm beginning to sense a common thread here ;)
Northern Italy sounds awesome, but might pose a problem for some Americans (like me) who have to make due with a tanking currency. I would imagine exchange rates would be crappy. That being said, Europeans would probably have more purchasing power here as their national monies seem to be stronger. I read some articles a while back saying that New Yorker businesses no longer exchange their euros and pounds for dollars because the favorable exchange rates (to Europeans) has led to a boom in tourism, and they just trade their foreign currencies back to the tourists.
So ... maybe New York (state) as a focal point? This might make the trips longer for Australians, but most everyone else could get there easily. Just a consideration ...
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The UK newspapers were saying the opposite,recently, that the UK pound, and to a lesser extent the euro, was tanking heavily against the US dollar, so that trips to the US would no longer be an option. We really need a single world-currency, these days.
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The UK newspapers were saying the opposite,recently, that the UK pound, and to a lesser extent the euro, was tanking heavily against the US dollar, so that trips to the US would no longer be an option. We really need a single world-currency, these days.
I wholeheartedly disagree, because that's what the central banks who are messing up currencies want. What we need is real money backed by goods or metals, not central bank issued paper that is basically the same as a counterfeiting operation.
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if we all grew our own food, built our own homes, and manufactured our own machines from metals we extracted and prepared ourselves, why would we need money? Money doesntmake sense to me. Honestly, it strikes me as a survival mechanism invented by people who couldn't take care of themselves. Maybe because they were too busy managing the peons...
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Money doesntmake sense to me.
I don't like the system either. >:
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if we all grew our own food, built our own homes, and manufactured our own machines from metals we extracted and prepared ourselves, why would we need money? Money doesntmake sense to me. Honestly, it strikes me as a survival mechanism invented by people who couldn't take care of themselves. Maybe because they were too busy managing the peons...
Do you know anyone who can do those things?
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if we all grew our own food, built our own homes, and manufactured our own machines from metals we extracted and prepared ourselves, why would we need money?
Not one person in the history of mankind has been able to do all these things by him/herself. If we all went back to doing self-sustaining things, the level of technology we would enjoy would be absolutely dismal. I'm gonna fudge some numbers here but its purely for illustrative purposes. The division of labor has basically allowed ten people who specialize their industry to provide for a thousand more. By comparison, in unspecialized economies, if the produce of ten people working separately were added up, it probably wouldn't even be enough to support half of them. Ricardo, Smith, Turgot, the Spanish Scholastics have been dealing with these things for centuries and its basic economic theory.
Money doesntmake sense to me.
Money was a natural out-growth of ever-widening trade. When you trade with people you do not intimately know, there is no way of telling how much of his product you get for his, because neither of you were there to witness each other's contributions to your respective communities. Money serves the purpose (among others) as being a store-house or value.
Honestly, it strikes me as a survival mechanism invented by people who couldn't take care of themselves.
This couldn't be further from the truth. Money was not invented by anyone in particular, and especially not by government decree. In point of fact, considering that all economic transactions are mutually-beneficial, if you were to add up all voluntary purchases and sales throughout all of history, you would find that everybody was properly remunerated. I exclude "sales" to governments because they are coerced (taxes) but you could readily argue that taxes (even horrible ones) are the fair price for living in a particular society.
Maybe because they were too busy managing the peons...
This sounds like a reference to either bureaucrats or greedy corporate types or both. As far as bureaucrats go, let me assure you, the vast majority of government agents have absolutely no capacity to innovate. They are the epitome of inefficiency and stagnation. Such a useful device as money--which has allowed civilization to flourish to the point it is at--would've never been developed by one of them. And as far as greedy corporate types go, remember they only get to keep their jobs and get rich if they do their job well. That is, if they satisfy consumer demand better than their competitors.
Not to pick on you Python, but many people are under the assumption that doing everything for yourself is "better" than the current system. What they lack is an understanding of comparative advantage and opportunity costs, which sadly, most college professors barely cover. Think of it this way: without money we would probably still be stuck in some crappy neolithic farming village eating nothing but tubers for our entire lives. No sanitation, no internet, no hope, and a guaranteed death at 30 from something silly like arthritis.
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Italy sounds like a good spot to me especially mid summer. Good quality food, good weather and good kitesurfing!.
I live in the most isolated city in the world so I'm used to having to travel miles to get anywhere .
The East and West coasts of the states sound good too.
Hey, where abouts in Australia are you?
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Perth
How about yourself?
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Perth
How about yourself?
ahh all the way over on the other side of the country lol
I'm in Sydney.
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I'd like to try and have local raw pot lucks in TX, perhaps in late spring through early autumn. I would imagine that one of the larger cities would be good for this - Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston, San Antonio, etc. I don't think hosting at a house is necessary. The beach, a state park or some natural setting would be really nice.
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I'd be down with hosting but I don't have a house quite yet. I'm actually planning on making an offer on a house next week so that may change soon. I'll be sure to let you know when that all happens and would love to have get togethers.
I hope you're free tomorrow.
http://www.wewant2live.com/site/811618/page/937343 (http://www.wewant2live.com/site/811618/page/937343)
Maybe someone should put this in primal section? I suppose it's bring your own fat (marrow, suet, butter).
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I know this is an old topic but it was something i was thinking of while i was reading. has anyone figured out where most of the active RAFer's on here are from? Aajonus has a few peple in the minneapolis area too. maybe a no coast thing could be an option too if something really came together and people wanted to plan an event. We have a lot of quality meat here from the small farmer and price is not so bad fom what i've noticed across the USA at least but it would be such a cool thing if this ever materialized into a plan
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I'm finding the longer I eat like this, the less I care about meeting people who eat the same.
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I don't really care about meeting people that eat the diet, but I like a lot of the people on the forum so that's reason enough to want to meet and hang out.
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I know this is an old topic but it was something i was thinking of while i was reading. has anyone figured out where most of the active RAFer's on here are from? Aajonus has a few peple in the minneapolis area too. maybe a no coast thing could be an option too if something really came together and people wanted to plan an event. We have a lot of quality meat here from the small farmer and price is not so bad fom what i've noticed across the USA at least but it would be such a cool thing if this ever materialized into a plan
The largest concentration of RAFers are in California(Los Angeles area) as Aajonus lives in Malibu, next door. I suppose any such meetup would have to include primal dieters as well as they form the majority of RAFers - that is, unless we get a guru promoting a raw version of the palaeolithic diet.
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The largest concentration of RAFers are in California(Los Angeles area) as Aajonus lives in Malibu, next door. I suppose any such meetup would have to include primal dieters as well as they form the majority of RAFers - that is, unless we get a guru promoting a raw version of the palaeolithic diet.
Aren't you and the other long timers the Gurus? :D ;D :o
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Aren't you and the other long timers the Gurus? :D ;D :o
No, for a guru, you need someone highly charismatic who does "diet-consults" all the time with 100s of people, plus has written a book on the subject etc.
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The definition of guru is different for different people. A lot of people consider all gurus charlatans, and most probably are. Some consider an expert willing to teach others what they are expert in a guru.
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The definition of guru is different for different people. A lot of people consider all gurus charlatans, and most probably are. Some consider an expert willing to teach others what they are expert in a guru.
Even though the allexperts.com site does mention experts in general, the actual term we and they use among ourselves is "volunteer" not "expert". Plus, my advice is free, I'd think that any standard definition of a guru is someone who is asking someone else for money in relation to diet.
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I don't like the system either. >:
:-*sully, you're just a magician...even the way you think so ooo cute!!
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Do you know anyone who can do those things?
to kyle, that was my original plan. still i'm thinking doing that, but need more people than the money. in this country, the cost of labors are very high and i just can't afford that at this moment.
1)get a place almost 1 to 2 hrs distance from nyc with a stream (prefer NY state)
2)build a strawbale home
3)raise some cattles, wild deers and other animals wildly
4)i'm a gardener and i really enjoy putting some antique rose gardens, so the place will be a show place. also i collect the berries that are grown wildly and lots of exotic plants.
if you guys in this forum join with me (i need manpower the labor), i think i can do that. my mom has the same passion. we will also host you time to time like a retreat center. i've a really small family in this country and we don't have that much friends, but i always feel too close to my all paleo friends in this forum. we don't need too much in our life to be happy, but need determination. thanks
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Even though the allexperts.com site does mention experts in general, the actual term we and they use among ourselves is "volunteer" not "expert".
Sure you're a guru. An Indian friend of mine says guru translates as someone who sheds light on your path. You are a help. Everyone here is, but way before I found this place, you on AllExperts helped me, just by virtue of you writing your experiences there.
thefreeonlinedictionary.com:
3. guru - a recognized leader in some field or of some movement; "a guru of genomics"
leader - a person who rules or guides or inspires others
Based on WordNet 3.0, Farlex clipart collection. © 2003-2008 Princeton University, Farlex Inc.
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guru
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1. authority, expert, leader, master
Beautiful plans. It is much needed.
1)get a place almost 1 to 2 hrs distance from nyc with a stream (prefer NY state)
2)build a strawbale home
3)raise some cattles, wild deers and other animals wildly
4)i'm a gardener and i really enjoy putting some antique rose gardens, so the place will be a show place. also i collect the berries that are grown wildly and lots of exotic plants.
if you guys in this forum join with me (i need manpower the labor), i think i can do that. my mom has the same passion. we will also host you time to time like a retreat center. i've a really small family in this country and we don't have that much friends, but i always feel too close to my all paleo friends in this forum. we don't need too much in our life to be happy, but need determination. thanks
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i'm planning to host you guys (paleo) from this summer. that will be westchester, ny. only half an hour driving distance to manhattan. by train, it is even less time. also bus services available. my goal is to live in a place that have all kinds of public transportation available and also the same time living in place that feels like living in country... let me know. :)
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rawzi/ than i need that courage, before i jump to buy almost million dollars home with $30 thousands tax on top of my head. this is a very good time to buy a big land with a very good price. if i get the support, i'll be seriously start looking for this property and also will post the details of those properties in this site.
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Coincidentally, my mother grew up in Westchester county.
I'm no ranch expert, but you'd probably want to focus on one type of animal, at least at first, so they could breed and not become inbred. You'd probably also want to pay for genetic input from other ranches for the same reason. If it were me, I would go with a premium animal, such as venison or bison or Heck cattle (I don't think anyone in the US has the latter yet--but I'm sure they're extremely expensive, so you'd probably start with something else), to make it more possible to become profitable with a small operation. I'd also assume it was going to be a slightly money-losing proposition, with any profit seen as a bonus, to be on the safe side. That way you can win either way. A million dollar home is quite an investment, but I know someone who sold a single family house on a moderate size property in that county for around that amount, so a ranch might cost much more. But I hope for your sake that prices have come down a lot since he sold about a year ago (pretty good timing on his part).
You could make the ranch a Paleo-theme tourist ranch (RPD would be too narrow, unfortunately). Some ranches and farms actually charge people to work at their tourist theme ranches.
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Sure you're a guru. An Indian friend of mine says guru translates as someone who sheds light on your path. You are a help. Everyone here is, but way before I found this place, you on AllExperts helped me, just by virtue of you writing your experiences there.
Like I said, a guru, by definition, asks for money from his followers and has a cult-like following. I'm just an amateur whose advice is, to a substantial extent, borrowed from other rawists' experiences. At any rate, I'm glad that my volunteering for allexperts.com worked out, given the frequent mentions of it here and elsewhere. At the time I started the column, there were so few websites about RVAF diets that finding any details about raw-meat-diets for humans was an uphill struggle. My initial motivation for volunteering wasn't exactly philanthropic, though - I started it partly because I hated Aajonus at the time like the plague for some misleading advice he gave and wanted to expose him to the whole RVAF movement, and also, I'd got some hysterical anti-raw-meat-eating advice from a past allexperts.com volunteer who turned out to be a closet vegan. Funnily enough, the reason why I started the other RPD forum was similiarly based on a deep dislike of another particular raw guru. Ah well, like Lester Del Rey said re his story "Vengeance Is Mine", many of the best things humans have created have come about as a result of the more negative human emotions, not the positive ones.
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You probably are a guru of some sort to most people in the RAF community, they may be wrong but most people don't think a guru must ask for money (most people think of that as a sham!). You are very knowledgeable, have read lots on the topic, help people by sharing a lot of information and of course run the website!
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Guru is composed of the syllables 'gu' and 'ru', the former signifying 'darkness', and the latter signifying 'the destroyer of that [darkness]', hence a guru is one characterized as someone who dispels spiritual ignorance (darkness), with spiritual illumination (light) - taken from Wikipedia
Just because a bunch of people use a word incorrectly does not change it's original meaning. Although I do believe that the very act of getting followers tends to change people into the "bad gurus" that you always hear about. Power corrupts and all of that. Still though, there's people out there that do good stuff and don't get paid, there's just more that try to get paid.
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and of course run the website!
I don't actually(this must be the 2nd or 3rd time someone's thought this to be the case). GS runs both rawpaleodiet.com and rawpaleoforum(I just own the rawpaleodiet yahoo group), though I have contributed some of the articles on rawpaleodiet.com.Perhaps GS should mention that he's the one in charge of rawpaleodiet.com.
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I don't actually(this must be the 2nd or 3rd time someone's thought this to be the case). GS runs both rawpaleodiet.com and rawpaleoforum(I just own the rawpaleodiet yahoo group), though I have contributed some of the articles on rawpaleodiet.com.Perhaps GS should mention that he's the one in charge of rawpaleodiet.com.
oops did not know that...well thanks to GS for that. You post and contribute a lot to the forum which is why I thought you ran it plus people saying they found the website through the yahoo group.
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Greetings, I am in minneapolis and interested in meetup, mike.