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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: goodsamaritan on March 01, 2012, 12:48:03 am
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(http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2012/02/22/xageless_20120222171821_107_80.JPG)
Never had a surgical face lift.
Raw Vegan Annette Larkins at 70 looks like 30.
http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/ageless-woman (http://www.wptv.com/dpp/news/ageless-woman) (see video, amazing)
http://www.annettelarkins.com/ (http://www.annettelarkins.com/)
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honestly a lot of black people have great skin that doesn't show age
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Holy shit, I think I'm hot for grandma!
Does this video have any impact on you raw carnivores here on the forum?
I have been wondering for a while if some people aren't in fact meant for vegetables entirely, some for a mix, and others for almost entirely meat.
Which causes me to think about human origins and if we aren't in fact some genetic modification of some animals to be given reason. Some people modified from say rabbits, other wolves, others bonobos, whatever. You notice the way people can look like animals. And they seem to have different constitutions. Like someone will seem slow and lumbering(like an elephant), others are sharp and high strung (like for instance a weasel). I realize that genetically our DNA is closest to chimps, but what if we are simply mostly chimp, with some bits of code from other animals and given the power to reason and be fully(sort of) self aware.
I'm not saying this is what's happening. Just toying with things that have bugged me about human origins and the most common theories, ie creation and darwinian evolution.
It would be nice to sit down with someone like Annette and just spend time with them, see what their mental clarity and energy is like at that age. She looks great, seems articulate and obviously she's just really got it going on, well rounded.
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Sorry but this belongs in the Hot Topics forum! Moved there now.
I hate to say it, but isn't it just vaguely possible that this woman lied about her age? I mean it's what virtually all women do, after some years. And then there's the issue of photoshopping, plastic surgery etc. which could make anyone look younger. As for her appearance with black hair instead of grey hair, it's not remotely believable, if she really is 70.
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I've known people in their 70s who haven't gone grey yet; Annette's dark hair doesn't discredit her, as far as I'm concerned.
I think there's room for success on a raw vegan diet as long as one has ready access to enough raw fat and freshly-picked, mineral-dense fruits, vegetables and seeds. It's also worth noting that she started eating raw after she stopped growing and having children (and mostly likely after menopause too), so her body's nutrient demands were and are lower than most of ours would be.
I don't think I'd do as well on her diet as she seems to be doing, but perhaps I'm wrong. I tried the raw vegan path for several months during my late 20s, and while it went great for the first few months my health went downhill soon after and I stopped. I think raw vegan, for most people, is a great detox diet, but for those of us who are younger, still growing, still menstruating (for women), still having kids, I'm not sure it can meet nutritional needs over the longer term.
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And as an afterthought, I suspect the fact that she grows most of her own food is a key to her success, as the nutrient contents of most vegetable foods decline from the moment they're picked and by the time most vegetable foods reach a retail outlet (like a supermarket, or often even a farmer's market) they are quite nutrient poor.
The ability to pick from a plant and eat immediately is huge as far as nutrient density goes.
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I tend to agree with tyler there has got to be some fraud going on. If not than oh my god that's the most vibrant healthy young looking 70 yo ever! If she started that amazing homegrown diet at age 15 or so i might be tempted to believe it but she started at 50.
honestly a lot of black people have great skin that doesn't show age
It isn't just good skin. Her figure is very good too. And her voice she sound like a 40yo at the most.
Anyway good motivation to get my garden going.
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Edit
just checked her website. The pictures on there look a lot more natural. a lot less unbelievable but still pretty amazing.
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Genetic freak or clever marketing. People at 70 don't look like 30 no matter what diet..
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Genetic freak or clever marketing. People at 70 don't look like 30 no matter what diet..
Hear, hear! I can understand rawists making claims of looking 10-15 years younger than SAD-eaters, but 40 years is just unbelievable.
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The color and shine of her hair is unbelievable. She must have had her hair done prior to this interview; maybe used some natural coloring products.
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The husband has youthful looking skin. If he was leaner and dyed his hair he could pass for a much younger person as well.
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Agreed.
Maybe they're eating something that's causing the reverse aging and increasing their telomeres' length.
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(http://media2.wptv.com//photo/2012/02/22/xageless_20120222171821_107_80.JPG)
Never had a surgical face lift.
Raw Vegan Annette Larkins at 70 looks like 30.
Holy shit!
GS, I immediately start eating grass only, I swear.
Löwenherz
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maybe we should all pitch in for a private investigator to check out her background and find out whether or not she is for real. I think this is important enough and it wouldnt cost too much if enough of us pitched in.
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I had a similar idea. One could simply write to her in a kind inquisitive way and ask if she'd like to show a copy of her birth certificate and or high school graduation picture. She might be very willing if she wasn't lying.
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1. Don't count out plastic surgery and hair dye.
2. I think women tend to do better overall on a vegan diet than men because their traditional role was the gatherer and it makes sense that they would be more adapted to plant foods.
3. Black don't crack.
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For me (after reading Dr Kruse last weeks..) not that surprising anymore..
She does a lot right;
She lives with the seasons. She lives in a tropical country and eat what grows there. So fresh and good quality foods..!! Wow.
I cannot tell how important I feel this is!!!! It is NOT about makronutrient ratios!!!
(now, you could get some troubles if you are scandinavian moving to a tropical country.. I dunno - your genes might be not adapted to such a living I guess, but this lady is native you can tell it by how she looks..)
She seems to live with the natural light-cycles, wake up early every day.
I guess she is a lot outside too, enjoying fresh air and such. Not sitting in front of the computer whole day.
She seems happy and living in a harmonic marriage which is a huge factor, she has few stressors.
She seems to have enough money too. ;)
Chronic high cortisol is very bad for longevity, it messes up your whole endocrine system!
So, go on and enjoy your life, stay happy and it will give you more years then the most perfect food I promise! :)
I can tell myself I have done so much wrong, living in cold climate eating so much fruit / CH in winter, staying up late every day... stressing a lot.
I can tell it by my wrinkles. -[
One more note to the woman in the video.
It do is possible she have used botox or surgery, she seems a bit "immobile" in her face, around her eyes and forehead.. or she just is that way. We cannot know.
But looking at how she lives, I am not that surprised she looks that good. :)
We can learn a lot from this.
Inger
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One more thought that will show how dangerous it is to force a "unnatural" way of eating and living.
Our Yuri (rawlion) showed it to us, I wonder sometimes how he do now...
But he did fruitarian first, then raw carnivore, he forgot the most important things. That this is not the way nature operates.
The results you can see. Very sad indeed. Let us learn from this and forgot about makronutrients-discussions. They do not matter, other things do.
Maybe they're eating something that's causing the reverse aging and increasing their telomeres' length.
@Duke,
this is what will happen if you follow the cyklus of the nature.
Avoid artificial light as much as you can (which will give you the best sleep ever), eat in season, let you body get used to seasonal temperatures (avoid heating as much as you can).
It is that easy, nothing complicated at all. :)
Inger
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@Duke,
this is what will happen if you follow the cyklus of the nature.
Avoid artificial light as much as you can (which will give you the best sleep ever), eat in season, let you body get used to seasonal temperatures (avoid heating as much as you can).
It is that easy, nothing complicated at all. :)
Inger
I fully agree that living with the flow of your surroundings is paramount to good health. however id dont think that it (or anything else for that matter) will change telomere length. that is a genetic factor not to be influenced by diet.
watching that vid again i also think she used botox.
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3. Black don't crack.
If this is a claim that black skin doesn't age as fast etc., I beg to differ. I have, over the years, also come across claims that Orientals don't age as fast as Caucasians as regards the skin. All rubbish, given my own experience.
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I think the only way we can know is to actually try and find her birth certificate. perhaps someone here knows how to investigate such things or knows someone who does.
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When a woman lies about her age, she tends to deflate her age, not inflate. I doubt any woman would claim an age that is older than her actual age for any reason. ;)
This woman is slim and is naturally good-looking. That alone could take 15 years off one' s age.
The question for raw paloe people is: Does raw paleo diet make you look younger than before?
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The question for raw paloe people is: Does raw paleo diet make you look younger than before?
Raw foods in general do this. I know quite a few raw vegans who look years younger than their age, usually about 10-15 years. It's true for raw paleo people, too.
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When a woman lies about her age, she tends to deflate her age, not inflate. I doubt any woman would claim an age that is older than her actual age for any reason. ;)
You would be astute to claim an older age; people will comment on how young and healthy you look for your age. ;)
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You would be astute to claim an older age; people will comment on how young and healthy you look for your age. ;)
I have never met an astute woman then....Or you are so young that you do not understand women.
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I have never met an astute woman then....Or you are so young that you do not understand women.
Joy, your accurate insight made me smile. On such superficial subjects I tend to be blunt and offer my female friends rational solutions, indeed what my friends are really seeking is emotional support.
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Dr Doug Graham is a raw vegan too and he's AGED a TON in the last year. Maybe she doesn't consume as much fruit as Dr Graham does and eats a lot more vegetables and fats?
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Dr Doug Graham is a raw vegan too and he's AGED a TON in the last year. Maybe she doesn't consume as much fruit as Dr Graham does and eats a lot more vegetables and fats?
Maybe. And maybe she's had a lot of botox, plus eating very healthily. She may even have used a number of other healing methods as well, and probably lives a very low-stress lifestyle, and may have very good genetics, too.
I once knew a woman in her early 80s whose skin looked like she was still in her early 40s. If she had dyed her hair dark again, she could have easily passed for 42 or 43. She was most definitely not a raw foodist. She had good genetics.
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What do you think? (He also eats fish)
109 Year Old Eats Chocolate (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4UlfJwn9GIU#)
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Heh, heh, I like that guy. Always love to see videos of him. Thanks for posting it. I love how honey is one of his top foods. So contrarian to nearly every approach other than Aajonus' and a few others.
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Hi Tyler :)
just for saying that it is really possible to have no grey hair at around 70, my mother is one of these people, 65 and just a few (maybe 10 or less) that only her can see... She eat mostly whole food but not only, had eaten in restaurant (pizza and co) for 30 years at lunch, had made some excess, smoked for few years A LOT but she also had always been thin (never eating too much and exercise a Little bit), and cook simple when at home, but eating meat and fish no organic.
Somebody knows more about the diet of Annette Larkins ? I guess not too much fruits as it has been said here, and not that much in quantity...
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If I've learned one thing in my quest for optimal nutrition, it's that human beings are more complicated than anyone gives them credit for. There are just too many factors involved. We can't jump to conclusions and say, "oh she's lying about her age, or she had plastic surgery." Some raw vegans say the same shit about meat eaters. Durian Rider (who I'm sure some of you know about) is infamous for making unfair judgments about paleo folks, like, "you can only be that built if you're on steroids." Maybe it is largely genetics. It's not fair, but that's always something to consider. Maybe, also, this particular diet just synced with her particular body chemistry and it's needs. Full disclosure, I'm currently a fruitarian because I'm trying to find out how best to deal with my health problems. Obviously, I think you guys and the Paleo diet are alright... or I wouldn't be here!
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The problem with ANY style is: that guru proclaims the ONLY way to the paradise of youth and health. But it is all b...s. There are success stories and failures in any of them.
You choose yr own if it works for you great, if you do not have result or yr condition worsens - look for another. If you have means to control the process with some sort of tests even better.
All these famous guys have high interest in commerce, yr interest is yr health.
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It's genetics and a clean diet. I've heard of people smoking tobacco for their whole lives with no issues or problems. Some people are predestined to certain things in their environment, that others aren't. Some things you just can't explain. If you or I ate what she did all those years, I doubt we'd have similar results. Good for her. She found a program that fits her needs, and stuck with it.
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She grows fresh veggies in her garden. If she doesn't wash them then she has access to the bacteria on the outside that has vitamin b's. I've heard that this is one way to have a successful vegan diet. I think some people fare better on different amounts of meat. I'm still figuring out what works for me.
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It is said her sons are in their fifties so I do not think she can be lying about her age.
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*above post edited for better spelling*
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it is really possible to have no grey hair at around 70, my mother is one of these people, 65 and just a few (maybe 10 or less) that only her can see...
My maternal grand father too, as well as my paternal grand mother. They both lived very different life styles though.
My grand father died early actually (cancer), but his hair never went gray aside from a few hairs. So he had green eyes and black hair until the end of his days, and that made him appear a bit younger. He did have wrinkles though, and he was a heavy smoker, hard worker and ate regular foods.
My grand mother did not have any visible grays until her late 60's or so. She was also still very slim and had a youthful appearance. Great skin overall, not a lot of wrinkles, mostly just some laugh lines. She ate lots of rice, fish (also raw), some veggies and meats..no fruits really. She never ate large portions but sure drank a ton of tea throughout the day...
That's all I remember. I honestly think some people just don't age the same.
Anette Larkins looks great. I find that Blacks age too, but different. Lighter skin tones seem to be more prone to wrinkles as far as I have seen, which might have to do with other factors though.
As far as the 109 year old goes...I will be shopping for some garlic, honey and cinnamon :P
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This woman looks amazing.
And to everyone who is questioning her hair its a weave or a sewn wig. Its normal for african/black/afro haired women to wear a weave or get a wig sewn in. Even Naomi Campbell doesn't use her real hair - post of it is usually weaved or extended.
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If I've learned one thing in my quest for optimal nutrition, it's that human beings are more complicated than anyone gives them credit for. There are just too many factors involved. We can't jump to conclusions and say, "oh she's lying about her age, or she had plastic surgery." Some raw vegans say the same shit about meat eaters. Durian Rider (who I'm sure some of you know about) is infamous for making unfair judgments about paleo folks, like, "you can only be that built if you're on steroids." Maybe it is largely genetics. It's not fair, but that's always something to consider. Maybe, also, this particular diet just synced with her particular body chemistry and it's needs. Full disclosure, I'm currently a fruitarian because I'm trying to find out how best to deal with my health problems. Obviously, I think you guys and the Paleo diet are alright... or I wouldn't be here!
i would advise you not to torture yourself with an all fruit diet.
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Annette Larkins On The Doctors Clip 2 (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=byTvJeITmWs#)
Annette includes raw starchy foods in her raw diet:
"Some of the starchy vegetables that I eat include sprouted legumes such as garbanzo beans and lentils, and also raw-sweet potatoes or yams. Even nuts contain starch; so although I have excluded cooked and over processed foods, my diet does not lack the vitamins, minerals, protein, starch, fat, and water needed to assist in achieving optimal health.
I prepare a delicious onion bread that includes ground sunflower and flax seeds."
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How do you prepare raw onion bread?
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Did she get more respect that Aajonus did on that show? Because she certainly doesn't deserve 1/10 as much as he did.
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dr. d. probably with a dehydrator, grind up seeds and onion and spices and then spread it flat on a sheet and then dehydrate........
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Oh, by the way, if I hadn't mentioned it before, SOME BLACK MEN AND WOMEN DONT AGE, like..........at all. Regardless of their food choices, so if she is living a particularly healthful lifestyle besides her food choices that just goes to further enhance her good aging. I hate to say it but some bodies can deal with any diet and be healthy as long as moderation and low stress are found more often then not in life. She has probably always had a somewhat graceful and strong disposition, it goes a long way into keeping one youthful and healthy.
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Oh, by the way, if I hadn't mentioned it before, SOME BLACK MEN AND WOMEN DONT AGE, like..........at all. Regardless of their food choices, so if she is living a particularly healthful lifestyle besides her food choices that just goes to further enhance her good aging. I hate to say it but some bodies can deal with any diet and be healthy as long as moderation and low stress are found more often then not in life. She has probably always had a somewhat graceful and strong disposition, it goes a long way into keeping one youthful and healthy.
This is utter nonsense as a comment. Black people age as much re appearance or anything else as much as other ethnic groups. There seems to be a similiar fairy-tale wherein some people claim that Oriental women don`t age(usually spouted by some male who fancies Orientals) but it is similiarly nonsense.
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Oh, by the way, if I hadn't mentioned it before, SOME BLACK MEN AND WOMEN DONT AGE, like..........at all. Regardless of their food choices, so if she is living a particularly healthful lifestyle besides her food choices that just goes to further enhance her good aging. I hate to say it but some bodies can deal with any diet and be healthy as long as moderation and low stress are found more often then not in life. She has probably always had a somewhat graceful and strong disposition, it goes a long way into keeping one youthful and healthy.
I think it is plausible to say some people (regardless of gender and race), given a good set of genes plus environmental factors, can cope better with aging.
I also observed that food choices are crucial especially during the first years of life.
Seems like if you can get those building blocks right, you could count on them later.
I personally know a bunch of white/black and asian friends of mine that look younger than they are.
And they all eat processed foods nowadays but have been raised on whole foods .
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I am not so sure she have not had any "repair" done to be honest. l)
I personally think it looks good when people get a few wrinkles here and there when they age. It gives more personality... more "life" to the whole package.
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Maybe it has to do with the amount of toxicity we are born with..
See, if you have very low to none toxicity in your body while born.. then you can eat alot less clean of a diet than people who are born with high toxicity in their body.
Just a thought tho :)
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This is utter nonsense as a comment. Black people age as much re appearance or anything else as much as other ethnic groups. There seems to be a similiar fairy-tale wherein some people claim that Oriental women don`t age(usually spouted by some male who fancies Orientals) but it is similiarly nonsense.
Sorry dude, you're wrong on this.
Africans do tend to wrinkle less. There are exceptions to the rule, but they do wrinkle less, both in my personal experience and in anecdotal reports from people I know. "Black don't crack", is the saying in the black community here in the US.
Black skin is definitely different at the cellular level. Here's a link to an abstract about that:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1485761 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1485761)
As far as East Asians go, I would also say that their skin tends to show their age a little less as well, on average. That's also anecdotally reported among people I know. I admit I haven't bothered to look for a link on this one, though.
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How do you prepare raw onion bread?
She addressed this in the comments.
Oh, by the way, if I hadn't mentioned it before, SOME BLACK MEN AND WOMEN DONT AGE, like..........at all.
Did you see her husband, who's apparently around the same age and is also black?
Of course, even if one accepts that everything is legit, one person is not proof of anything, appearance is not everything, etc., but if her results are indeed legit then they are so remarkable as to be interesting. I noticed that her approach differs in interesting ways from strict 811ers, such as including some raw starches and it seems like more raw fats and greens, and somewhat less fruit (such as just drinking a "shot" of home-grown, fresh-squeezed noni juice per day instead of a pitcher or so of juice).
I look at her example as a potential learning opportunity more than to see how I can dismiss it. After all, add some raw animal food to her diet and you've got raw Paleo.
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Sorry dude, you're wrong on this.
Africans do tend to wrinkle less. There are exceptions to the rule, but they do wrinkle less, both in my personal experience and in anecdotal reports from people I know. "Black don't crack", is the saying in the black community here in the US.
Black skin is definitely different at the cellular level. Here's a link to an abstract about that:
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1485761 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1485761)
As far as East Asians go, I would also say that their skin tends to show their age a little less as well, on average. That's also anecdotally reported among people I know. I admit I haven't bothered to look for a link on this one, though.
All this is utter rubbish. Here`s an article which points out that black skin is possibly more immune to the effects of sunlight(ie UV radiation) but is more prone to aging in many other respects:-
http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120529-does-darker-skin-not-wrinkle (http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20120529-does-darker-skin-not-wrinkle)
On an anecdotal level, I and many others have noticed that those middle-aged of Northern European extraction in Italy and elsewhere tend to look much younger on average than similiarly-aged Southern Europeans who have a heavy admixture of Arab or Negro DNA.
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I said "some", not all. I have known a few older black men and women that would never be able to guess their age, their skin is so smooth and tight and un blemished it amazing, I think it is just genetics, and I think that's what this raw veg lady is lucky enough to have been graced with.
I have never met an older white person like this, and I can say that I have lived in a place where the population is 80-90 percent white, so the if it were something that wasn't tied to also being black, you would think I woulda met a few white folks who age so gracefully.
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I have met plenty of old white folks who have aged very well, and way better than other ethnic groups I`ve seen. Obviously, though, there is no solid scientific evidence currently showing that any ethnic group lives much longer than any other. Conversely, most data re blacks indicates that, on average, their lifespan is way shorter than whites etc.
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BeGeezus I started a shite storm with that post. ;D
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Tyler, I think part of the issue may be UV exposure. You live so far north that there's just not much UV radiation, even during the summer. However, most of the US is quite a bit farther south, and I would guess that paler, thinner northern European skin would show a lot more aging and damage from all this extra UV radiation, in comparison to African-type skin, which is MUCH more designed to handle it.
And, dude, you're not going to win this one. I don't even think you KNOW any black people. ROFL On the other hand, my elementary school was about 45% black, students, faculty, AND staff. I'm very familiar with black skin. I have been around the black community pretty much my entire life.
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BeGeezus I started a shite storm with that post. ;D
Yeah, you did. Combine all the extra sensitivity around racial issues these days with the know-it-all attitude of most of the more prolific members/mods here, and....you might as well have tossed a turd into a fan. ROFL
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And, dude, you're not going to win this one. I don't even think you KNOW any black people. ROFL On the other hand, my elementary school was about 45% black, students, faculty, AND staff. I'm very familiar with black skin. I have been around the black community pretty much my entire life.
You conveniently ignored my article which showed conclusively that those with black skin have better resistance to photo-aging but are far more prone to many other age-related skin-problems such as being more prone to age-spots, dark patches and seborrheic keraatosis. Plus, search online and you`ll find many articles pointing out that the "black don`t crack" claim is just a myth. Plus, having lived in London, I could hardly avoid knowing black people, so all the above is ridiculous. Whatever the case, no one can convincingly claim that blacks are prone to reduced aging when they have, on average, a far lower average lifespan than other ethnic groups:-
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Tyler, the point is that the aging that happens to African-type skin is harder to see from a distance. I have had to learn to use clues OTHER than wrinkles to make a guess at a black person's age from their appearance. Unless you're REALLY close to them, in excellent light, it's often very difficult to tell a darker-skinned black person's age simply from their skin.
And I would never claim that they age more slowly, on average. The data show the opposite, if anything.
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Tyler, the point is that the aging that happens to African-type skin is harder to see from a distance. I have had to learn to use clues OTHER than wrinkles to make a guess at a black person's age from their appearance. Unless you're REALLY close to them, in excellent light, it's often very difficult to tell a darker-skinned black person's age simply from their skin.
Well, no one should judge solely based on skin-colour but on other things as well such as sagging jaw, drooping eyes or whatever.
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Well, no one should judge solely based on skin-colour but on other things as well such as sagging jaw, drooping eyes or whatever.
With darker-skinned Africans, I usually look at hair color (to see if they have any gray hair), and then at the whites of the eyes, if I'm close enough to see their eyes clearly.
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Id like to add that most of London is no longer white at this point.
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You mean it's become full of South Asians, especially Pakis and Hindus?
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yes.
London is no longer an english city. Consider it totally conquered by the multiculturalists/anticulturalists at this point, perhaps all of london as well.