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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: storm on March 18, 2012, 01:00:20 am
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Seems somewhat interesting, any thoughts or reviews?
http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/paleo-myths (http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/paleo-myths)
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I've noticed that my libido (sexual drive) has not increased since I began a diet rich of animal foods, which raises my concern. I think it was strongest when I was practicing the Milk Diet.
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when the inner-guru shines the spirit awakens there isn't much need for a penis
once a month during ovulation time is enough for me. Although, I don't technically have a partner yet but I am sending out vibrations now, and spend my mornings picking flowers with a peaceful disposition.
my fasting practice aids wonder in this and I express my gratitude with a raw turnip. Its a feast of true desire.
Aajonus claims to have sex 6 times a night but when he dies in his 90s the autopsy will discover all sorts of neolithic disease, plus he probably has great genes to handle all that dairy.
like all those tribes that Price guy studied, who knows what diseases they had when they died or how much they suffered...
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I don't know what a "boner" is as that sounds neolithic and in my new spiritual philosophy I don't use these words as it distracts me from more gratitude.
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I don't know what a "boner" is as that sounds neolithic and in my new spiritual philosophy I don't use these words as it distracts me from more gratitude.
lol!
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boner is erection...
I dont believe anything Aajonus says .....
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boner is erection...
I dont believe anything Aajonus says .....
lol!
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Like I said, I don't understand this article as it uses to many cultural references of which belong only to my past neolithic life, but my friends, it seems someone needs to say that we - like all paleo animals - only have sex for procreation. This is well documented on many websites. Also, I poked around this site and can say we did not have walls of mirrors or ever-present media telling us what we should look like in paleo times, nor thermometers. My doctor said my temperature is 94.6, but he also said I have lupus (which is a made up disease created by the agricultural pharmaceutical industry), so what does he know. Blood test? Paleo man did just fine without such things thank you very much. My body gives me strong signals of exactly what it needs if It needs it, just like a nutrient depleted pregnant woman on the verge of causeing birth complications. Most people are just out of touch with this feeling.
On this voyage I have had certain concerns, I can't stomach much meat or any dense food so I eat more mono meals and have started eating more fennel. All domesicated meat is a product of neolithic society and causes disease, so I order all of my wild animal meat shipped to my house. It can weigh up to 18 kg, which is too heavy for me to carry in the house, so I open it outside and carry each chunk individually. I also like to smell the meat in the outside air, just like a real caveman. I then bring my meat inside and put it in the fridge at the lowest setting. Neolithic and modern technology are merely a nusisance, distracting me from my real self and are incapable of benefiting me in any way. My favorite foods these days are tuna and Alaskan salmon. The lengths we have to go to now to be healthy without medicine and neolithic food dependance. Its crazy. Every day is like a struggle just to eat healthy food.
My friends, I started talking to my sole mate tonight. I started chanting and then went on match.com. My pure diet and radical harmonizing drew me to a woman. She weights 300 pounds and is very excited about getting healthier. I told her that if she ate any more neolthic food she would probably die before we meet, so she better make a solid commitment to eat only unprocessed paleo food. She said I seemed a little controlling and I informed her my diet makes me an alpha male. I am confident she will make the right choice. If not, ever since I changed my lifestyle and I've uncovered how wrong society is and is destined for destruction unless everyone starts eating paleo, I quite frankly can't really consider 'neo's' on my spirtual level.
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Like I said, I don't understand this article as it uses to many cultural references of which belong only to my past neolithic life, but my friends, it seems someone needs to say that we - like all paleo animals - only have sex for procreation. This is well documented on many websites. Also, I poked around this site and can say we did not have walls of mirrors or ever-present media telling us what we should look like in paleo times, nor thermometers. My doctor said my temperature is 94.6, but he also said I have lupus (which is a made up disease created by the agricultural pharmaceutical industry), so what does he know. Blood test? Paleo man did just fine without such things thank you very much. My body gives me strong signals of exactly what it needs if It needs it, just like a nutrient depleted pregnant woman on the verge of causeing birth complications. Most people are just out of touch with this feeling.
On this voyage I have had certain concerns, I can't stomach much meat or any dense food so I eat more mono meals and have started eating more fennel. All domesicated meat is a product of neolithic society and causes disease, so I order all of my wild animal meat shipped to my house. It can weigh up to 18 kg, which is too heavy for me to carry in the house, so I open it outside and carry each chunk individually. I also like to smell the meat in the outside air, just like a real caveman. I then bring my meat inside and put it in the fridge at the lowest setting. Neolithic and modern technology are merely a nusisance, distracting me from my real self and are incapable of benefiting me in any way. My favorite foods these days are tuna and Alaskan salmon. The lengths we have to go to now to be healthy without medicine and neolithic food dependance. Its crazy. Every day is like a struggle just to eat healthy food.
My friends, I started talking to my sole mate tonight. I started chanting and then went on match.com. My pure diet and radical harmonizing drew me to a woman. She weights 300 pounds and is very excited about getting healthier. I told her that if she ate any more neolthic food she would probably die before we meet, so she better make a solid commitment to eat only unprocessed paleo food. She said I seemed a little controlling and I informed her my diet makes me an alpha male. I am confident she will make the right choice. If not, ever since I changed my lifestyle and I've uncovered how wrong society is and is destined for destruction unless everyone starts eating paleo, I quite frankly can't really consider 'neo's' on my spirtual level.
lol are you freaking out.....maaaaan?
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i agree with you kd, its almost like i cannot be attracted to others on more then an intellectual level, and that attraction can be strong, but most i know are not living a righteous lifestyle and there is a lot of thinking and saying about believes but not much action, being and doing. so it is very hard to be attracted to those types and also to be able to look, sense and smell and become aware others, through many subtilties, that their diet and lifestyle are not so harmonious with nature and growing closer to her and their ideas of the future the same make most very unattractive. to even know that the healthful look and attitude are some what gained in vain ! there are very few males i am truely attracted to and even then i am sure there would have to be wooing on their part for them to convince me that it was worth the time and effort to form a relationship, let alone commit the act that would, in the best case, bond us for the next however many years creating a relationship and family around taking care of each other and another. so i totally understand. its hard for me to relate to others my age let alone the majority of society on daily doings, what is supposed to be entertaining and important...etc. that is why i have kind of clung to the farming/ranching community because i can see importance in the work and lifestyle...now to find a boy who feels the same and is cute......;)
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My doctor said my temperature is 94.6
that seems really really low.... normal is 98.6
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Not wanting to have sex with another doesn't equal not wanting to have sex. I know somebody who is just as evolved as me, loving, sexy, and wants me whenever I want her. It's ME. My libido is intact. I have no need of another. The flesh of another can be very nice when the stars align. When my libido is low I am either deeply healing, and want for nothing but rest, or getting very sick. Hopefully you find lust for yourself at least.
On the other hand, I think to ejaculate too fast is bad news, for men physically and spiritually. Take your time exploring your sensuality. It is the essence of life. Invite your heart and spirit to join your body, go solo tantra style. You can grow in this way too. Maybe that will pull your woman to you. But, to demand somebody be right for you. That is controlling. You're looking for love so, controlling is a poor place to begin. Sorry, if this sounds harsh. Something inspired you to feel love for this woman when you learned about her poor health and habits you felt bad. Maybe afraid of how loving a sick woman could cause you more pain than not loving at all. So, without skipping a step you shared with her what you know about healing. Then, you became invested and that lead to controlling.
I find relationships quite challenging, so you might not want my advice. I am loved and it feels very comforting, but I grow the most from realizing that we are different and we still love and respect each other. I have you all here to feel connected to, while my husband happily plays Mass Effect and eats chicken fingers. It is what it is I accept that. Maybe you will find more. It would be very uncommon. On the bright side you only need to find one :-*
I'm thinking I should erase this, but I thought a lot about this so, I hope it helps
One more thing about the neolithic references. My husband is the most politically incorrect, profane, and shocking man, I ever encountered. I laugh like crazy at his jokes, because he has a heart of gold and helps others whenever he can. I find the folks who advertise about how great they are, are pretty much selfish, lazy sacks of shit. All talk is cheap.
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I'm just guessing here, and maybe I'm totally wrong, but I think KD is being satirical, or perhaps facetious.
Again, might be wrong, but that's how it comes off to me, hence my last comment.
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you are right ryan?is that you? did you change your name? anyway i just wanted to say my piece.....and laugh at boners
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O0. Seems more a collection of actual unattributed quotes sadly....
Its basically impossible to be serious on this subject in an environment where people actually will rationalize the same 'why would I need to do x if people man did not' as an actual argument in a serious discussion while ignoring physical reality. This is 100% the problem, not paleo diets per se, at least IMO. A perfect example of this could be something as simple as cholesterol. Most of us agree that eating plenty of cholesterol is good and natural. or at least raw cholesterol. The thing is is that if your cholestrol is high and whether you eat paleo or raw or whatever, it might not indicate that you will have a heart attack, but what it does indicate is that you are not converting cholesterol to the advanced hormones, which means your health and diet is completely out of wack in other ways, and requires re-examination from the ground-up and not top-down. This is impossible when following a set of beliefs that already determine what is healthy and what is not based on religion. For instance, we know vegans can have high cholesterol with little or no dietary cholesterol or neolithic food, and yet in the context of the right diet, you can eat sticks of butter every day and have healthy total cholesterol, probably because it has SCFAs directly useful for energy and pro-thyroid minerals, but almost irrelevant why, as this is the reality. That alone says nothing about paleo diets being ideal or not for modern folks, but it does tell you you should probably check all theories against reality when people hand-wave about concepts as if they don't matter. Also when people cite that avoiding neolithic food is most -or even all- of the equation when fixing health problems...
For many, stone appears to dimiss food toxicity in the conventional raw or paleo sense as being particulary important. Im not sure that is accurate as it seems, but I tend not to be the targeted audience or target of his stuff as I can form my own indepedent opinions, get regular workups, have temps 98-99+,and thus dont read it much. My guess is, a fairer view of what he says is if you fall below the line of what are obvious indicators of poor health, your purism, naturalism, localism, spiritualism, etc... Isnt working. Period. The key problem is, no matter how impossible it is to actually diagree with that, people will simply choose to disagree with that (something, eh), and just cite more of their dogmas and swear all sorts of reasons why others are wrong and excuses for their own health fly like one of those chip cans full of fake snakes. The absolute best is when you see someone take a complety anti-paleo theory like his or others and then say "ok, lets apply this to a paleo diet". But ultimately he's like every other diet, film, or social critic. He - like most people- has some masive bias against diets that did not work for him, and thus "don't work" (sound familiar?) for anyone even when they do. This part is totally false, if your actual version of paleo/healthy eating fulfills your known needs in actual analysis, and gives optimal results, or at least fares better than others without excuses.
short review:
the article is actually dumb and a pitch for a book. but this seems pretty reasonable:
http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/paleo-myths#comment-57247 (http://180degreehealth.com/2012/02/paleo-myths#comment-57247)
note how he blatantly promotes things I 100% disagree with...
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Oh well, I guess it went over my head????!!!!
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Anyone read the whole 12 Paleo myths ebook?
The intro seemed a bit absurd. Has anyone here really experience boner deficiency when beginning the diet?
I already know how to eat much better than a caveman. I eat coconut concentrate and lamb belly fat with each meal. Lamb meat and organs breakfast lunch and dinner. Currently I am eating about 3 or more lamb brains each week. An avocado and tomato occasionally. A couple glasses of lemon water and raw egg yolks each day.
Regardless of the season I eat like a paleo prince, perennially. My wife is always saying I eat well beyond my means, she could be right , I could be a bit of a glutton. So what, I have had some very real and wonderful results from a diet that most of the world would think insane.
I dragged out my lamb from the shed today to show my Father my aged meat. He just looked fairly disgusted by the smell of death and maggots that fell off.
How does a guy like me get invited to that paleo summit?
It seems like most of the mainstream paleo gurus other than AV may think that maggot meat is a bit too extreme. I don't hear high meat mentioned at all in the article, and yet it has properties that make it possible from some people to adapt to a high meat low carb diet without any wiener softening side effects.
This guy Matt Stone seems to mean well, but he isn't playing with a full deck.
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that is why i have kind of clung to the farming/ranching community because i can see importance in the work and lifestyle...
well yeah, what I wrote was 100% fos, but I don't disagree with you here. obviousy in the ideal we would want to be surrounded by healthy conscious people. In your case, probably people that actually know how to tend to animals and grow food and take care of themselves, despite its neolithicness :) . Perhaps someone actually physically capable of maybe even hunting and killing something...
I think the joke was that, while diet stuff is not easy and likely takes on some inevitable level of ego/obsession, clearly it is often taken to a level where there is alot of fluff and self-import in place of what people present and obtain. Whether we are actually talking huge leaps and bounds health-wise, or spiritually fulfilling and such or as more desirable I'm not so sure about when looking from a wider perspective. Adora, I actually assumed you got what I meant, at least the last half of what you wrote. I also agree re: low libido during healing rest, but not usually a good sign otherwise generally. Some people have no problems with libido, skin, emotional poise, digestion, etc..and they are "ill" because they eat or ate neolithic food, yet Its no secret that excuses for not being particularly sexual abound in natural-health lore/websites or like... veg diets, and apparently now paleo sites I guess.
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I already know how to eat much better than a caveman.
blasphemy!
How does a guy like me get invited to that paleo summit?
I think you just have to buy a ticket for AHS. Just stand up and speak. lol.
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yeah the issue seems to be more nutrient/glandular based than macro based, but who knows as the new thing with hip bloggers is to equate macros with glandular systems. Then again many peoples' idea of a paleo diet is something simply that lacks neolithic food, rather than a diet that has regular organ meats, bacterias, glands, saturated fats, blood, connective tissue, collagen, bugs, whole small creatures etc..or at least other foods that basically can reasonably replace the nutrients found in those things (or alter the larger systems as effectively), also on a regular basis.
and/or things that are likely equally important to health as diet, sunlight, all the 'natural living', emotional poise stuff etc..
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Thanks KD
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yeah the issue seems to be more nutrient/glandular based than macro based, but who knows as the new thing with hip bloggers is to equate macros with glandular systems. Then again many peoples' idea of a paleo diet is something simply that lacks neolithic food, rather than a diet that has regular organ meats, bacterias, glands, blood, connective tissue, collagen, bugs, whole small creatures etc..or at least other foods that basically can reasonably replace the nutrients found in those things, also on a regular basis. Likely also attending to obvious things like proper sunlight and other common sense stuff a natural person would probably engage in and/or things that are likely equally important to health as diet.
I share in KDs more holistic view of Raw Paleo. I think more time needs to be spent in education of people who come to this forum on how some Paleo bloggers are not hip to eating holistically. If one really wishes to get extreme benefits from Raw paleo dieting, then I encourage that person to adopt a way of life that may not be appealing to the staeak tartar with side salad paleo crowd. It takes guts to live like a caveman.
Eat the whole damn animal from the tongue to the anus and everything in between. Slit the jugular yourself so you can drink a fresh cup of blood before you feast on the heart and organs while they are still warm. Smash the skull open and eat the brains. Hang the rest of the kill out to dry and age so it cultures good probiotic bacteria.
There are so many people who just are not willing to go that far, and when they give up on Raw paleo before even attempting to adopt a holistic raw paleo lifestyle, people like Matt Stone will use their failure as evidence that the evolutionary diet is flawed.
I agree with Matt that there may be difficult for one who has been acclimated to high carb diets to go low carb carnivorous, but for him to just blatantly claim that low carb diets cause ED is blasphemy and outright misleading.
I doubt that he has drunk fresh blood, cracked open a raw brain, eaten the whole animal from tongue to anus, with high meat during his own low carb experiment.
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Carnivores like lions deliberately avoid eating the bowel-contents, so not everything needs to be eaten!
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And to be real caveman you have to not fear cold and dark too.
These two HUGE pieces are mostly missing... food alone is not all.
The cold, the dark, and hunger. When you are not afraid of those, you are a real caveman/woman. ;)
Inger
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Are you sure Ty about the avoidance of bowel contents? I mean I wouldn't be surprised , because I don't want to eat feces, but I read Jim Corbett's books about his hunting maneaters in the early 1900's in india, to help my tracker's education. When he is following up a tiger who is carrying a human kill he notes that the tigers eat everything. And I do believe he meant everything, because he would usually try to find some bit of the victim, even if it was just a splinter of bone so that the family could perform the death rituals properly. Tigers are not lions so that might have something to do with it, also humans are much smaller than a zebra or wildebeast. Furthermore in my own experiences, when I come across deer the coyotes have brought down here on our farm, there is nothing left at the end save for whatever bone they couldn't crush and a few bits of hair. Seems like every last scrap of flesh, connective tissue, skin, etc has been put to good use!
This is neither here nor there of course, we're not set up like tigers or lions where we can consume entire large kills using our mandibles alone, but just for discussion's sake. And obviously carnivores like coyotes swallow their kills whole when possible, small rodents for instance, same with hawks, owls.
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Jessica, I think boners are funny too. And obviously I totally relate to how you feel about finding someone who 'gets it'. Fortunately our lifestyle brings us in to contact with people of our ilk, and if you know what it is you want in another, chances are perty good you'll eventually cross paths! So chin up! In the mean time, patocitos make wonderful companions, especially if they imprint on you! ; )
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Adora, I wonder if your husband knows how lucky he is??? To be with a woman as open minded, strong, smart and independent as yourself! I think he mostly does?
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Carnivores like lions deliberately avoid eating the bowel-contents, so not everything needs to be eaten!
I was not implying that everyone eat bowl contents, just that one eats all the fat lining, organ meat, brain, lymphatic tissue ect. I will take a few bits off the lower intestine, but I don't think there is any crucial nutrition within bowls that cannot be gotten elsewhere.
Also I was generally stating that in order for low carbers to get holistic nutrition they should try to eat the whole animal. Its just my opinion.
Be not afraid Inger.
I still enjoy living in fear as much as the next cave man, only instead of fearing environmental phenomena and conditions that are now no longer relevant in modern life, I have learned to fear the darker corners of my over developed ego consciousness.
We must learn to develop healthy surrogate activities that allow us to learn live in accordance with our evolutionary drives and grow as cave people living in metropolis, without freaking out the rest of the hive.
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I saw a reference to it in an article on lions, years ago. Can't remember where I got it from, though. They stated that lions routinely grabbed the bowel with their teeth and removed it from the rest of the corpse without eating it.
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I saw a reference to it in an article on lions, years ago. Can't remember where I got it from, though. They stated that lions routinely grabbed the bowel with their teeth and removed it from the rest of the corpse without eating it.
That's neat! And seems intuitive, but then again, my dogs here on the farm are connoisseurs of feces. They enjoy cow, goat, turkey, llama and chicken feces, when the fancy strikes them, so not sure what that is about. Probiotic and/or mineral needs?
Also like sabertooth said, he wasn't implying anyone should eat feces. More a commentary, which I feel pretty strong about, on the waste that goes on in western countries. Here most of what he's talking about get scrapped and, though I've searched high and low here in MN/WI, no one will give me the head/brains of a grassfed cow. So instead it gets scrapped and they PAY someone to dispose of it, WTF!!?!?!?!!? Nevermind there are people without food all over the world!
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I have also been frustrated at how often I have been denied any organ-meats from farms. As regards faeces-consumption, there are numerous reasons as to why animals eat them:- elephants need the bacteria in the faeces in order to properly digest some of the foods they eat, rabbits need to have their food pass for the second time through their digestive system before it can be properly digested in full, while other species use faeces to hide their own body-scent from predators or use other animals' faeces in order to track them down via smell.
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It seems like most of the mainstream paleo gurus other than AV may think that maggot meat is a bit too extreme.
Which is funny, considering how much fermented meat/fish many tribes ate in the past, and still do. The Eskimos are quite serious when they talk about the value of high meat/fish. I eat high fish pretty regularly, and I definitely think it helps me stay warm in cold weather, and improves my digestion.
I do think a few people do better on completely un-fermented foods, because of allergic reactions to fementation by-products, but most people really would be healthier if they ate more fermented raw food regularly.
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i permanently borrowed a really excellent book from the library for one of my friends, its bill mollison's (super famous(to me?) permaculture guy) guide to human fermentation i think is the title, i has hundreds of recipes to ferment all kinds of grains, meats, organs, eggs, fish, pretty much fermenting and preserving all pieces and parts of many an animal
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and don't forget how eating special fungus in domestic cattle shit rapidly increased our human intelligence.... ! -X
again I joke. sorta.
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I would like to thank the creator of this thread because I had not heard of Matt Stone nor such criticisms of the Paleo Diet. After researching more of Stone's opinions I've come to realize there is plenty of value for people such as I who have been struggling with this diet and because of stubbornness I have not been able to realize that I have been starving myself.
Although on 180 Health Stone's writing is a bit sensationalist and evasive (he writes a whole bunch without offering sensible tactics), his guest posts on other websites are much more direct and informative. For those (such as myself) who have a low basal temperature due to starvation, Stone has simple suggestions (http://www.naturallyknockedup.com/raise-basal-body-temperature/):
1. Eat as much nutritious food as you can every day. Emphasize the more calorie-dense unrefined carbohydrates like root vegetables, fruit, and grains in particular, but also eat a satisfying amount of meat, fat, dairy products (milk is incredible for body temperature), and whatever else that you find enjoyable. But keep it as nutritious and unprocessed as possible.
2. Eat beyond appetite. This is key. Eating more than you want to eat is what forces your body to get out of its low metabolism rut.
3. Go at least 12 hours straight per day without food – you don’t want to be overeating for more than half the day. So if you eat dinner at 7pm, have breakfast at 7am. I believe this practice can make the body more responsive to the hormone leptin, probably the most important hormone in fertility (because it raises thyroid and progesterone).
4. Get as much sleep as possible. Sleep is an incredibly powerful tool for raising metabolism.
5. Avoid vigorous exercise. This is not a permanent recommendation obviously. You can resume getting more vigorous exercise once your body temperature is fully restored.
6. Emphasize saturated fats over unsaturated fats. Dairy products, red meat, and coconut products are the best source of dietary saturated fats. You should eat these preferentially over nuts, seeds, vegetable oils, avocado, and other plant fats – as well as pork and poultry, when possible.
7. De-stress. While eating a lot, sleeping a lot, and avoiding excessive exercise is inherently de-stressing, it also pays to spend time doing something that you find leisurely or enjoyable and mentally and physically relaxing, which is highly individual. Massage and sunbathing would be my two personal favorites!
A diet low in carbohydrates did not work for Stone and may not work for several people, however (as KD points out) some may actually thrive on this diet, as KD and Sabertooth both demonstrate.
I, for one, have had a terrible time during my experimentation with diet because it has lead to an even greater starvation than before. Whereas before I was starving myself of animal foods (while I was a vegetarian), I'm now starving myself of a list of other things as I continue to mow on pound after pound of ground beef and raw eggs. Even after eating the entirety of several animals (such as Sabertooth recommends), I still wasn't able to satisfy some deep hunger--a great sign of starvation.
I second KD's opinion, quoted here:
My guess is, a fairer view of what he says is if you fall below the line of what are obvious indicators of poor health, your purism, naturalism, localism, spiritualism, etc... Isnt working. Period. The key problem is, no matter how impossible it is to actually diagree with that, people will simply choose to disagree with that and just cite more of their dogmas and swear all sorts of reasons why others are wrong. But ultimately he's like every other diet, film, or social critic. He - like most people- has some masive bias against diets that did not work for him, and thus "don't work" (sound familiar?) for anyone even when they do. This part is totally false, if your actual version of paleo/healthy eating fulfills your known needs in actual analysis, and gives optimal results, or at least fares better than others without excuses.
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I think you probably were fat-starved. Also, you may not have been getting enough minerals. Eating enough fat and minerals (like calcium and magnesium from natural sources) is very good for sating the appetite.
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Seems more now like 'savage-y' caveman vs. 'pansey' caveman convo above, but it is - for me - about not cutting these corners on nutrition or lifestyle, or eating certain diets due to shoulds. In fairness, I don't think people absolutely require organ meats or glands or even exercise or know how to skin an animal, if what they do actualy improves their health, which is the whole point really. Paleo diets are already technically restrictive though in terms of what we have access to today to provide nutrition (in some shape or form :/) and manipulate our health. No matter how crazy that sounds to some, its true albeit with more unknowns, so picking reliable stuff rooted in nature can be a good move. 'Diets' are fine in my book as long as people don't think their decisions in the very abstract save their souls (health, whatever), and ignore other realities in themselves, or others' contradicting info based solely on those principles.
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Similarly, even if the paleo diet since proto-humans was confirmed to be LC, I wouldn't see that as a reason per se to eat LC...due to ^. A lot of people have a lot of info and reasons to not eat LC, including antho stuff. Just not alot of folks around in nature that eat the way people wish they did to rationalize their schtick... Although, the Inuits who actually ate glands and such didn't have problems people associate with LC, which also can occur on HC raw or otherwise..to bring it full circle.
So, there is tons of evidence against neolithic and modern stuff, but you still need to look at how various things work out today or don't work for you or in others, whether they themselves are old things or new.
as for sex, I can say that when doing LC or 'beyond' my way, this has caused 0 cases of impotence, but I've noticed different shifts in quality of sex doing differnt things diet-wise which I havn't set yet what is what. Who knows though as i've been involved in monogamy, and that is anti-paleo as i've learned on this website, so who can really say.
Seems like every last scrap of flesh, connective tissue, skin, etc has been put to good use!
I wrote a bunch of stuff on this, but somehow I got talking about Aryans in pre-civ India in the forests, and dairy products, and it was like three pages long.
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I wrote a bunch of stuff on this, but somehow I got talking about Aryans in pre-civ India in the forests, and dairy products, and it was like three pages long.
Lol, the more the merrier!
Also yeah zeno, you're only eating muscle meats? Whether or not anyone else agrees, I have found it pretty much essential to get those quality organs if I'm consuming mostly meats. I have a pretty varied diet typically. But when it is mostly flesh, I've got to have the organs to be feeling satiated.
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and don't forget how eating special fungus in domestic cattle shit rapidly increased our human intelligence.... ! -X
again I joke. sorta.
have you been reading my journal? honestly i do believe this, that these are my teachers and have helped me on some great emotional, spiritual, social and instinctual(necessary for survival!) levels. some of us are perhaps more sensitive, although not to such satirical depths, to being lost in this super civilized world. ive never done well in most of the institutions we are supposed to try and live through, but have thrived in nature and by being honest to my own human nature.
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KD's a bit cynical J, probably a byproduct of excessive exposure to Raw Paleo Dogma, or dietary/spiritual dogma in general.
But the bottom line is what works for you right. And mushrooms shook me violently out of my sheeple stupor. That is all the proof I need of their benefit. Obviously lots of people take mushrooms or other entheogens and don't have life changing experiences, or don't really seem to change at all. But then again, they probably didn't have a terrifying, depths of hell experience, like some of us for which this was the result of such consumption.
My first mushroom experience was an accidental high dose of P. cyanescens all by my lonesome at age 17. And I have not been the same since. It truly was an awakening, and caused an !extreme! shift in the way I looked at the world. Has played a huge part in shaping who I am and how I perceive the world.
The recharge I felt afterwards was indescribable, like I *knew* everything would be ok, like I wanted to inhale or embrace the whole world. The first time I really felt like I loved the world, like it was something truly good, as my life up to that point had been chaos, physical and verbal abuse and alcoholic parents.
But it also depends on how you view these teachers too. I was very respectful of them and was trying to do my first experience right, intending to low dose for self titration, and be in a good mindset and setting (though obviously it's not recommended to solo trip your first time, I ignored that because I didn't trust anyone else at that point in my life). And even though the experience was terrifying, I would not trade it for the world. But a lot of my friends at the time were taking whatever they could get ahold of to get 'high'. And they were doing it purely for recreation, not for any inner exploration or insight, which is what I valued these substances for. That's not a judgement, to each their own, but that has a definite impact in most cases on what your experience is like or what you glean from it.
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have you been reading my journal? honestly i do believe this, that these are my teachers and have helped me on some great emotional, spiritual, social and instinctual(necessary for survival!) levels. some of us are perhaps more sensitive, although not to such satirical depths, to being lost in this super civilized world. ive never done well in most of the institutions we are supposed to try and live through, but have thrived in nature and by being honest to my own human nature.
I haven't been reading your journal. I've got through a number of books on the subject, so for sure I don't believe this particular idea is nonsense. In fact the very idea that we havn't evolved/changed drastically in 10,000 years certainly seems more the fantasy to me, even though I'm open and of the opinion to certain other 'de-volvements', physical stuff or spiritual etc...
So, basically I don't know what to believe, and therefore always entertain a number of possibilities. I just think its funny how alot of these subjects go from on topic, to guts and bones and feces, to this type of thing.
I did write some other things that were making fun of some of this 'how do we be paleo in the modern world'. I just often see people present ideas as if they create superhumans, then its all like, terrible burdens or other excuses to thriving, and questioning why the twinkie diet didn't kill that guy, and how the world is going to hell. I mean, we all live on planet Earth in 2012, so we should be certainly choosing the diets and lifestlyes that actually work to create robust forward thinking people, and part of this is re-examining the past. Seems possible to include trippy funguses and such that we know for certain many folks did use...or perhaps that is a part we dont need/can discard. I don't know. So I apologize if it offended you personally, you wern't who I was thinking of.
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I think you probably were fat-starved. Also, you may not have been getting enough minerals. Eating enough fat and minerals (like calcium and magnesium from natural sources) is very good for sating the appetite.
I was mainly eating yolks, ribs and tongue the last few days before I started to collapse to ice cream. The fat just wasn't as satisfying as dairy. I think I wasn't absorbing it well even though I was eating ample amounts. My experience supports the belief that fat in dairy is one of the most readily absorbed fats--much easier than the fat of meat that has been frozen.
All I know is that I've been eating a shit ton of conventional, processed shit and for the most part I feel better then when I was when I was starving myself because I thought these foods to be more damaging than beneficial. Starve yourself enough and ice cream will be beneficial. If you don't think so, check out the similarities of French Vanilla soft-serve yogurt (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/sweets/5401/2) and human breast milk (http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/dairy-and-egg-products/95/2). Granted, I understand the flaw in using this website, but the similarities are pretty impressive considering the differences of these two foods, no?
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And mushrooms shook me violently out of my sheeple stupor. That is all the proof I need of their benefit.
So, I should trip on some 'shrooms then give RPD one more go? ;D He-he
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trip on schrooms, listen to alan watts..:)!!!!!!!! dodododo, there is plenty of research both institutionally as well as heart-felt(literally) stories that date far back to the beginning of us as human being beings that describe the relationships we have with fungus...in fact, i feel as though we are just priming the earth for a fungal take over...they can digest plastics and radiation, you know:)!
honest kd i was being a bit facetious....doesnt translate over the computer very well. and really i dont get offended by much, especially nothing here. i think its humorous often times how feral i am at heart and really appreciate myself and the dynamic relationships i have with others.....all types of beings :)
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No...
Milk, honey and veggy juice lately.
I am not sure if I am doing good.
I am not sure if there is anybody out there I can get along with it's true.
Where is there a cool farm in need of cows haha?
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I saw a reference to it in an article on lions, years ago. Can't remember where I got it from, though. They stated that lions routinely grabbed the bowel with their teeth and removed it from the rest of the corpse without eating it.
Lions have different nutritional requirements than carnivorous human beings. Our need for fat to fuel our large brains far exceeds that of felines who seem to be able to thrive on lean meats.
I also rip out the guts in one piece with my bare hands and separate it from the rest, but then I will strip of the fat from the intestinal lining and pick out the adrenal glands, as well as other tasty tid bits. Then I will squeeze the droppings from the lower bowels and save a small portion. The small intestine is a bit gross with digestive juice and grassy slime, but the lower track has digested grass pellets that are easy to discard. FYI
Also like sabertooth said, he wasn't implying anyone should eat feces. More a commentary, which I feel pretty strong about, on the waste that goes on in western countries. Here most of what he's talking about get scrapped and, though I've searched high and low here in MN/WI, no one will give me the head/brains of a grassfed cow. So instead it gets scrapped and they PAY someone to dispose of it, WTF!!?!?!?!!? Nevermind there are people without food all over the world!
It is astonishing how the best parts end up in the trash, or gets rendered into dog food. I am lucky to find whole animals for a reasonable price. My friend the butcher gives me an unlimited supply of lamb belly fat, and also sells me sheep heads for 5 dollars a piece. I often forget that not everyone is so fortunate.
I have noticed real benefits from eating brains regularly.
KD tell me more about this cow fungus.
Could this fungus, if eaten at certain intervals along with a balanced paleo diet that includes an ungodly amount of lamb brain, rotten meat and coconut, give rise to an awakened man of exceptionable wisdom and vitality?
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its one of the 'how we got big brain' theories
basically how alot of people associate cooking and such with bigger brains, or at least more capable ones. This one if accurate - associates it not with the structure or products of the neolithic, but pastoralism. Specifically in the sense that herding animals, and more specifically the development of cattle, led to a particular fungus that only grows in cow shit (I believe?), Psilocybe cubensis, which supposed opened various lines of communication and knowledge and spirituality and such. Far deeper into the paleolithic (100,000 B.C.) than some people generally promote with the other theories.
so.
yes
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Terence McKenna's entheogen-triggered evolution hypothesis
Terence McKenna - mushrooms and evolution (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsZbxRzWYLc#)
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our brains used to be "larger" because we are such a multi sensory species, the lack of full use of all senses, our species is hugely and primarily reliant on language, voice, and sight is a huge reason we are becoming dumb and dull. i think the lack of entheogens, which are the ultimate connector and communicator between each cell within out bodies and all of space and creation is the reason our brains are so small..........john hopkins university has many studies on their uses for depression there is also www.maps.org (http://www.maps.org) Multidisciplinary Association for Psychedelic Studies
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Far out man.
There is so much we don't know about human development, it does seem feasible from my own observations , that certain factors such as psychoactive fungus could be a catalysis for the development of higher syntax.
There are people I know who come from backward uneducated communities that are dramatically changed by using fungal substances. They see the world in a different light than those who are uninitiated , and I find much insight and delight in their altered views of reality. I am often amazed at the depth of conversation I am able to engage with in people who have be altered by psychedelia. Tim leery was just an egg headed professor who rediscovered and brought to the modern western consciousness something that had been known by primitive peoples for eons.
Here is a newly hatched alternative theory on the evolution of higher consciousness.
There is also special properties within the organisms that are found in rotting meat. Perhaps mushrooms were only one of many elements that shaped human consciousness. I find that high meat has a dramatic effect on metal focus. Even vision and other senses seem heightened. Using high meat triggers in the mind newer and more clear imagery of consciousness. Our cave man ancestors may have had to eat large amounts of rotten meat from scavenged kills in order to survive. If there are mind altering substances produced by the bacteria and fungus within the rotting meat eaten by our ancestors, then perhaps, that could of been the more likely catalyst for higher thinking.
The development of higher syntax is likely to have been caused by a combination of a multitude of factors that included better brain building nutrition such, along with psychoactive substances in rotting flesh. Large amounts of high meat may of triggered increased brain activity along with overall improved metabolic function, that allowed the mind body and spirit of our cave man ancestors to reach new heights. Once the human brain became acclimated to these substances then perhaps the discovery an use of certain mushrooms may have been what took things to the next level.
Food for thought.
This is me with what is left of my renegade lamb. It is rotten and starting to fester with maggots. Yum, yum.
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yea, people just frame 'big brained' with our increased refinement/knowledge, and incorrectly so. Although technicaly we do have bigger physical brains than monkeys, and that likely has its own evolution way previously with animal food or whatever other theory. Or that maybe monkeys are just de-evolved proto-humans that insisted on fruit and laziness :). Anyway, it seems more in the development as Jess says of language and technologies and so forth that like it or not do 'advance' a species. Even some chimps have primitive technologies and such that they use to smoke out termites and things that some other apes cannot.
I see no reasons to doubt we had abilities we do not have today, but I guess I would see those things as trade-offs. Most technologies and developments seems to have trade-offs and consequences, yet some may have none or little. Overall less winners and more losers maybe. The traps with the caveman thing would be cutting off certain thigns without bothering to replace them with others, or saying flat out that things can't be improved, often being buttressed by other even modern things. Probably better to frame these all as bad subjectively I guess, as opposed to saying humans don't change in terms of what they can do, use as food etc... just a matter of weighing the consequences. Technically with the brain its more a issue of increasing knowledge than capabilities, but knowledge isn't exactly not useful.
I still see no dolphin/bonobo joint space station. So if we have trashed the globe i'm sticking with the scientists.
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sweet pics
Nevermind what I said before.,'Savage-y' caveman FTW!
err. + coconut products
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Looking good Sabertooth! :-*
There are people I know who come from backward uneducated communities that are dramatically changed by using fungal substances. They see the world in a different light than those who are uninitiated , and I find much insight and delight in their altered views of reality. I am often amazed at the depth of conversation I am able to engage with in people who have be altered by psychedelia.
Yes. I have the same experience with my brother. He is 20 yo and have totally changed over time.. he used psychedelich mushrooms. The last half year no more mushrooms though - but he has changed. He has gotten so much more aware of others needs and presens. It is very beautiful as it comes so naturally from within, nothing forced. He is so much more capable of respect and love now than before.
It is a joy to witness, indeed.
We feel very deep connection and he is able to think amazingly deep and spiritual, much more than I at 35. -X
We very much enjoy each others company and often he helps me a great way with the wisdom of he's heart.
I have not tasted the mushrooms yet. I do feel my food helps in the same direction though. I do hope so. :)
My brother eats regular food, on the healthier side. He still lives with my parents. But he always wants to try what I am eating, raw Lambshearts and fresh slaughtered chickenhearts, livers and such.. ;)
Inger
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My butcher asked if I want a specific cut of the beef we will have next week. I want to leave it open in my fridge. I have a wooden bowl and I will fold a towel on top to "protect the innocence" of my cooked family. He suggested top round and asked how many pounds. What do you all think? I want to pick at it for a couple of weeks so I'll need a lot. I have some organ meet I might not finish. If I set the liver on an open dish in the fridge will it be a healthy aging product too? My butcher said to not eat any fuzy mold but I doubt he has any experience. Am I supposed to cut off what fat I can? Does fat not cool dry store well?
It looks like saber just eats whatever part with no concern for healthy storage ( open air is impirtant i presume - thats a compliment not an insult). If this is so than is that what you suggest? I'm not wanting to hang it in my garage just yet but are there any things I should do to improve my open air fridge beef storage? I can just eat off of it whenever I want right?
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This is me with what is left of my renegade lamb. It is rotten and starting to fester with maggots. Yum, yum.
Festering with maggots is yummy? I've never tried that.
How many days you left that carcass outside?
What's the temperature and humidity in your area?
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you also dont see dolphins trashing to globe.....our divergence from the dolphins was out first mistake...im sticking with the dolphins
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I use to get whole chuck eye rolls of beef which were about 25 pounds a piece. It would take me about 10 days or so to eat, and in plastic rap in the fridge it would start to taste a bit sour after the end of the first week. I soon began to leave it on a rack in a fridge dedicated to meat, and I think it helped. Keep the proper air exposure for more optimal aging seemed to make for tastier and less moldy meat.
I suggest the chuck eye roll, over the top round. The chuck eye roll has better marbling, while the top round is too lean for my taste.
You could get a mini fridge and somehow suspend a 15 pound cut of meat in it. Then just slice off what you need for each meal, until its gone. By opening the fridge door many times a day you allow the meat to get plenty of fresh oxygen. I also suggest keeping the settings on low humidity, if its an option, a dryer surface just ages better and is less likely to sprout funky tasting molds.
Festering with maggots is yummy? I've never tried that.
How many days you left that carcass outside?
What's the temperature and humidity in your area?
About ten days.
Its been unseasonable hot around 70s and 80s.
I will usually eat the whole animal before it gets that rotted, its just been so warm lately, that it decomposed much too fast. Its not the most tasty stuff , but I have grown to like eating a few bits of it to prime my belly before eating some fresher cuts of meat as the main course. The maggots can be eaten, though they are a little bitter.
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Re: Eat better than a caveman ?
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This is me with what is left of my renegade lamb. It is rotten and starting to fester with maggots. Yum, yum.
Festering with maggots is yummy? I've never tried that.
How many days you left that carcass outside?
What's the temperature and humidity in your area?
MAGGOT FISH.
A fly got in my refrigerator two weeks ago, with everything covered in plastic film except a plate of raw cod, going a bit high. After getting rid of fly and cleaning out refrigerator and contents I discovered little pile of tiny yellow eggs about 2 mm long and thick as cotton on top of the raw cod fish. Had three choices:
1. Ignore and continue to eat as normal.
2. Brush or wipe the eggs off before eating.
3. Leave alone till eggs developed into maggots and eat them as well.
So I threw it in the waste bin, and away it went.
Regret not adopting one of the choices, particularly the last, as not confronted by live maggots before. Hate wasting good (rotten) fish, and wished Sabertooth, or other person that tried maggots, was on the telephone advising me to go ahead, as I might have enjoyed it. I decided to have second try, and have left a little raw cod in open top jar in garage waiting attention of a fly. Still need encouragement on massive scale if anyone can bolster my confidence? Saw video of lad with unusual Christmas Dinner, which he obviously enjoyed!
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I've eaten maggots plenty of times, with no problems ever.
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I found that when the maggots were all left to do their juicy thing inside a hunk of meat they made the meat smell and taste like some kind of weird ammonia/stomach juice combination that i did not enjoy. Dry aged meat is my favourite thing ever, and maggots that are not covered in their own juice are fine to eat, but wet juicy maggot meat i will pass on.
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EATING MAGGOTS – FIRST TIME!
Friday, 5 September 2014
Just ate my very first two jars, both full of wriggling maggots - one of raw minced beef, other a piece of cod. Surprisingly sweet taste, and really quite pleasant provided you can keep the little beggars from leaving your lips, and chew them well before they go down so they won’t wriggle much. Slightly musty taste, and cod tastes fishier than the beef with maggots likewise. Need to cover the jars with bits of handkerchief to admit air, and must keep jars warm and away from frost. I think I see why Sabertooth and others enjoy this food, just don’t think about it, spoon it up and shovel it down, with occasional drink of water. Just going to see ‘News at Ten’ and, if I’m not on it, I’ll probably be all right!
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I just finished RS's PHd. Boston University professor's "Voyages of the Pyramid Builders" in which he builds up his theory about a lost continent and a number of
other things that point to the possibility that pyramid builders may have been disbursed throughout the world when a continent slipped under the waves after the last ice melted raising the sea level some 400+ feet.
ahsan
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Still persevering with my Maggot Meat and Maggot Fish on a small scale from time to time until I acquire a definite sense of direction with this project. Trying to raise maggots on fish or meat in uncovered jars which are later covered with fine cloth to keep maggots inside. Then eat individually or better still with piece of the rotten fish or meat. Yummy???