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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Health => Topic started by: LePatron7 on March 18, 2013, 09:03:26 pm
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Hey everyone. I'm looking into dental health raw paleo style. Since going fully raw, using a quality calcium supplement, and using fluoride free tooth paste. I'm noticing white spots on my otherwise yellow teeth. Also, a spot where my gum had receded it turned black on my tooth, and it's getting less black.
I read this article - http://arealfoodlover.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/how-i-remineralized-my-tooth-cavity-without-dentistry/ (http://arealfoodlover.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/how-i-remineralized-my-tooth-cavity-without-dentistry/)
Which claims you can re mineralize your teeth. Im curious what your experiences have been with cavities, yellow teeth, crooked teeth, receding gums, etc.
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I stopped brushing my teeth almost two years ago, and have watched my previously receding gums regenerate. I've decided that my receding gums were probably caused by poor tooth brushing habits, or by brushing more generally. I no longer assume that brushing teeth is inherently useful, or even potentially so.
I also have a dental carie (spot on tooth near gum line that turned dark) that has improved. I attribute its healing to a more nutrient-dense diet heavy on the raw animal foods that's higher in Vitamins A, D and K. I also used to have very sensitive teeth, and that's generally not the case anymore unless I buckle and have a rootbeer or ice cream while with friends, which does happen occasionally.
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This has been helpful to me:
http://www.curetoothdecay.com/ (http://www.curetoothdecay.com/)
He's not a rawist, but you can do a raw version of his tips. You can even do raw bone broth, which was discussed before in this forum.
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Everything you need to know about dental health is in the works of Hal Huggins, download his mp3 s at:
http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-hal-huggins-dds-the-best-information-on-dental-health-and-the-connection-with-disease-august-22-2011/ (http://oneradionetwork.com/health/dr-hal-huggins-dds-the-best-information-on-dental-health-and-the-connection-with-disease-august-22-2011/)
http://www.hugginsappliedhealing.com/ (http://www.hugginsappliedhealing.com/)
and in the book "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" by West A. Price DDS.
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Since Ive stopped eating grains, vegetables and nuts my enamel became thick and very white without brushing.
My teeth are sensitive (probably because it isnt coated with toothpaste) and I notice also dairy hurt my teeth, just like oils did.
Funny thing is, when eating nuts my enamel became very thin and this was scary, but without changing my brushing regimen or going to a dentist, my teeth are amazing! Even though I drink sugars I notice it doesnt matter that much.
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Dr. Hal Huggins has something relevant to say about both ancestral diet and dental health here:
http://oneradionetwork.com/dental-healing/dr-hal-huggins-ancestral-diet-sea-salt-goodness-and-ph-alkalinity-takes-a-hit-04-13-09/ (http://oneradionetwork.com/dental-healing/dr-hal-huggins-ancestral-diet-sea-salt-goodness-and-ph-alkalinity-takes-a-hit-04-13-09/)
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Recommend the book "cure Tooth decay" by Rami Nagel. It has a lot of suggestions regarding diet and how the specific nutrients in specific food promote tooth remineralization and reversal of caries. Tried his advice myself (to a certain extent) and have to say that it appears quite effective. YOu might find the book at the library.
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Yeah, and the website I cited above, http://www.curetoothdecay.com (http://www.curetoothdecay.com), is Ramiel Nagel's website. Plus, the article at http://arealfoodlover.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/how-i-remineralized-my-tooth-cavity-without-dentistry/ (http://arealfoodlover.wordpress.com/2012/04/15/how-i-remineralized-my-tooth-cavity-without-dentistry/) that DaBoss88 cited also recommends Nagel's book.
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I noticed that these guys recommend not just the removal of amalgam fillings, but also the replacement of them with another, less toxic, substance. I guess it is too much to ask for a tooth to heal after having had a filling placed and then removed, but not replaced with something else?
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It's crazy. Since starting raw-scd, white spots have been popping up on my teeth. Theresa one really noticeable one on my front tooth. And it's expanding.
The spot where I visibly see a cavity hasn't gone away though. Although on sad, when id eat something sugary, say a pop tart. The tooth with the cavity would really hurt. Now it never hurts, not even when I eat fruit.
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One interesting observation is that since bone is vascular (has a blood supply), it is capable of healing itself and remineralizing. That's why, when bodybuilders workout with heavy weights, not only do their muscles get stronger, but their bones do too. That's why it's recommended that senior citizens do weight bearing exercise to keep both their muscles and bones strong. Since teeth are bone, they are affected by the same physical "stresses". So, chewing on something tough and fibrous (like red meat) or hard vegetation like carrots or apples will stimulate the teeth to get stronger as the blood will carry calcium and other minerals into the teeth and onto the areas of the teeth where the stress is being placed. This is really effective, and along with other protocols such as dental hygiene without using enamel destroying substances like certain toothpastes, along with diet and getting the proper nutrients and minimizing sticky sugary foods and blood sugar spikes has in my experience made a satisfying difference.
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I got receding gums when I was on 80/10/10. It went away when I went back to paleo.
I rarely brush my teeth and I've noticed that raw fat, especially suet(which is drier/harder) really improved my mouth/teeth health.
You shouldn't need to take calcium supplements on this diet. When I was on a regular diet with milk or calcium supplements my calcium levels were identical to the current levels when I am eating ~2 meals of fruit(sometimes with fat), 1-2 meals of meat, 1 meal of vegetables(often leafy greens).
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Great article - http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jan2009_Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arterial-Calcification-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging_01.htm (http://www.lef.org/magazine/mag2009/jan2009_Vitamin-K-Protection-Against-Arterial-Calcification-Bone-Loss-Cancer-Aging_01.htm)
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DaBoss, Aren't white spots considered an early sign of a cavity?
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DaBoss, Aren't white spots considered an early sign of a cavity?
Potentially, I've also seen fluoride toxicity as a possible culprit.
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Article on the importance of magnesium in dental health - http://integratedsupplements.typepad.com/integrated_supplements_bl/2010/06/magnesium-the-forgotten-nutrient-for-dental-health.html (http://integratedsupplements.typepad.com/integrated_supplements_bl/2010/06/magnesium-the-forgotten-nutrient-for-dental-health.html)
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Potentially, I've also seen fluoride toxicity as a possible culprit.
Why, are you using lots of fluoride?
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Why, are you using lots of fluoride?
I think he was just trying to say that he read that too much fluoride causes white spots on teeth; which is true, it's one of the reasons fluoride levels were lowered recently. They were seeing increased white spots on children's teeth.
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I think he was just trying to say that he read that too much fluoride causes white spots on teeth; which is true, it's one of the reasons fluoride levels were lowered recently. They were seeing increased white spots on children's teeth.
Correct.
Maximilian how are you now? Last I remember you were having some problems.
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I'm doing ok. I'm on permanent disability for a myriad of issues that seem to stem from inflammation and cause chronic fatigue.
Raw paleo seemed to be doing good for me for a while. I'm 6'8" and 170lbs. I gained 25+ lbs and then started getting diarrhea from a wide variety of raw animal foods. I lost all the weight and saw two tapeworms (1 small, 1 full grown) in my BM. Stool tests came back negative for any parasites but I was still getting diarrhea and losing weight. I've stabilized now on cooked paleo but it looks like I'm going to have to wait for some major medical breakthrough to get my health/life back.
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you might think about doing a course of humaworm antiparisite herbs. I question the accuracy of tests. Couldn't hurt. I will shortly be doing it, when they arrive.
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I think he was just trying to say that he read that too much fluoride causes white spots on teeth; which is true, it's one of the reasons fluoride levels were lowered recently. They were seeing increased white spots on children's teeth.
Yes, thanks, that's what I also figured and I was aware of those reports and also that they involved excessive intakes of fluoride, which was partly attributed to increased sources of fluoride and increased swallowing of toothpaste (due to candy flavors), IIRC.
DaBoss, that's why I'm asking if you're using/ingesting a lot of fluoride. If not, then your report that the white spots are currently expanding is less likely due to excessive fluoride than other possible causes, such as accumulated plaque, dental decay or mineral loss. If that turns out to be the case, Ramiel Nagel's info might help.
Hope that clarifies my question and maybe helps.
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I would suggest humaworm as well.
get some probiotics as well, take a bit during and after humaworms, garden of life brand "primal defense" is a good one
then add things like raw yogurt and aged meats if you have access.
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DaBoss, that's why I'm asking if you're using/ingesting a lot of fluoride. If not, then your report that the white spots are currently expanding is less likely due to excessive fluoride than other possible causes, such as accumulated plaque, dental decay or mineral loss. If that turns out to be the case, Ramiel Nagel's info might help.
I'm not sure what it is, though they're not expanding like I once thought. They're most noticeable after waking up, and disappear after I start eating. I don't think it's plaque since even if I scratch at it it doesn't come off. I'm not sure what it is, but from my understanding (based on what I've read from Ramiel and other places) remineralization occurs when the right conditions are present. For example lots of minerals, low phytates, etc. I feel like I meet all that criteria, at least now after adding in the magnesium and Vitamin K2. So I think I just need to continue on my current regiment and see how it goes.
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ok, good luck with it.
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This is not raw paleo by any means, but there is a technology called low intensity pulsed ultrasound (LIPUS) that is supposedly able to aid tooth remineralization. I'm not sure if it actually holds up to some of the claims. Its still being developed mainly at University of Alberta, and I think the prototype is available for purchase. Its quite expensive though, if I remember correctly.
lipus.org (http://lipus.org/)
Current Status of Low Intensity Pulsed Ultrasound for Dental Purposes, 2012 (link (http://benthamscience.com/open/todentj/articles/V006/SI0212TODENTJ/220TODENTJ.pdf))
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for what it's worth...
multiple times i have proclaimed that my dental health has improved since my diet change, so i will clarify here...
my teeth are in pretty rough shape to begin with... when i was 21, i had 22 fillings put in. a year later, 18 had fallen out. my teeth had degenerated and the enamel decomposed over the years, with some pretty extensive rot going on along the gumline. some molars had become brittle enough to crack and break apart. a small chip on one canine as a teen had quickly rotted out by the time i hit my thirties. over the last ten years or so, i would regularly brush out chunks and bits of enamel in the mornings. i have had only two root canals in my mid twenties, the rest of my molars have been extracted as time passed. i had temperature and sweet sensitivities, and eventually stopped brushing with toothpaste (once sensodyne started to hurt). i switched to brushing with a mouthwash instead.
during the last year, my diet changed over to a raw omnivorous, omitting dairy items, and eventually grains (close to raw paleo). while transitioning, i noticed two major improvements: one, the sensitivity issues were gone. two, the bits of enamel i would regularly brush out stopped (once dairy was deleted). the rate of decay has dramatically slowed, however i have not noticed any "rebuilding" of anything, i cannot chew on my left side (the remaining molars are pressure sensitive, not painful, but feel like they're ready to break), and i cannot bite through or chew hard items such as carrots (i have to cut them thin, or shred them). i have a "remaining" molar on the right that does not exist past my gumline, and the once chipped canine is little more than a dark, soft, pulpy lump now(no outside enamel). again, no pain or sensitivities. other molars that remain are still heavily rotted and missing the majority of enamel (mostly at the gumline). my incisors are still mostly intact, however lately they have been discoloring and turning darker, i assume from the blended berries i've been drinking regularly (i can compare the color change with the two caps from my former root canals). i have, for many years, accepted that i would have teeth extracted as they rotted, since this was a far less expensive alternative for a guy without dental insurance (250 bucks per extraction, versus 1600 bucks per root canal). the diet change seems to have bought me some additional time, before the inevitable action of pulling, and looking into implants.
my gum health has always been, and continues to be very good, no receding, redness, tenderness, or swelling(just "receding" enamel) despite the tooth decay. i still brush 1-2 times daily with mouthwash (a dentist assured me it was not the toothpaste that cleans, it's the brushing action). i brush to remove food particles from my cavities to avoid infections (which i have had none). the brushing also keeps my tongue clean, and my mouth feeling fresh (for a few hours, at least... rotting tooth pulp has a not-so-nice quality).
tomorrow i fill out paperwork, and set an evaluation appointment with a center that may possibly provide free dental care for me. a dentist customer informed me of this center, where he volunteers, and he has offered to try and help me out with getting some much needed attention. i will update on his findings mid-month... my last evaluation 5-6 years ago suggested 6300 dollars worth of work... i laughed, reminded them about my financial situation, and told them i would just continue with the extractions when warranted. i think i'm well beyond the point of root canals now... ;D
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I have a long history of dental problems which stopped when I went raw. Raw fat and meat seems to be quite helpful. Stopping brushing my teeth also helped enormously. It seems that brushing cleans off the protective coating on the teeth.
Sugar is the worst thing for the teeth.
It's difficult to say exactly but it is very possible that my teeth have started to regrow.
I consume lots of raw milk also but I am not suggesting this for everyone. Some do well on it and some do not.
I had my amalgam removed and I did notice a difference.
A friend's daughter had a black spot growing on one tooth. I ran my Rife device on it and it was gone the next day.
A minor point that I know to be true, is that Ayurveda says that when you defoecate, you should put your teeth together a bit forcefully as you push out the feces. Failure to do so will cause the teeth to loosen and eventually fall out. When loosening this may manifest as them getting crooked or spreading out.