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Raw Paleo Diet Forums => Hot Topics => Topic started by: LePatron7 on November 09, 2013, 03:58:24 pm
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Has anyone been following how Fukashima is affecting other parts of the world? I've been reading that California is getting a big part of the radiation.
I started getting fruit from other areas.
The first thing I noticed was my apples tasted awful. They were usually crispy and flavorful, but started being soft and less appealing.
What are your views on the Fukushima nuclear power plant's accident and food?
http://topinfopost.com/2013/10/10/fukushima-is-here-all-bluefin-tuna-caught-in-california-are-radioactive (http://topinfopost.com/2013/10/10/fukushima-is-here-all-bluefin-tuna-caught-in-california-are-radioactive)
"Every bluefin tuna tested in the waters off California has shown to be contaminated with radiation that originated in Fukushima. Every single one."
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Look, this is all bullshit scaremongering. Radioactivity of the kind at Fukushima would long ago have become diluted in the world's oceans to the point where it was quite harmless.
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Yes, Tyler is right.
It doesn't mean that you can't find traces of radioactive elements from Fukushima's disaster in fish. Nothing to worry about anyway, at least as long as the disaster is more or less contained.
(from your link:) the levels of cesium found in the tuna in 2012 had levels 3 percent higher than is usual.
It would be a different story if the whole crumbling plant with it's hundreds tons of highly radioactive spent fuel is washed away by a typhoon or another tsunami.
As for the apples tasting different, that would be the first time I hear that small levels of radioactivity change the taste of something!
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I read some really great articles from the effective microorganism company Teraganix, about using the microorganisms in the soil to mitigate and remediate radioactivity in plants and animals that are in Japan and were immediately effected by Fukushima. The are a very beneficent company(yes I know that seems like an oxymoron), its not hype or them even trying to sell anything. Hopefully your food is coming from a source that has high quality soil with its own native or fostered EM's.
Where are you getting your fruit from now? Isn't it persimmon season in California? Don't pass that up! I am in southern Oregon and I haven't noticed a difference in quality of fruit, everything that I have had that is local has been outstanding. I just harvested some of the best rose hips I think I have ever had. I ate some chanterelles earlier this season but I am re-thinking eating any other mushrooms because they have the ability to uptake radiation, its one of their best qualities but something I don't want to ingest.
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For what it's worth, I do fear radioactive contamination of Pacific-caught fish and fruits and vegetables raised on the west coast of the US. I have removed all of these things from my diet. Admittedly this wasn't hard though, as I ate little of them to begin with and have been moving towards a localized diet for years.
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You might want to ask the question, what's worse; the possible radiation or the fear of it. You'd have to include rejecting all foods grown in Ca.,, as in beef etc. for the rains are dowsing the grass that the cows eat. I live in northern ca. and my home grown apples are crisp and juicy.
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You'd have to include rejecting all foods grown in Ca.,, as in beef etc. for the rains are dowsing the grass that the cows eat.
I'm considering rejecting foods from animals fed food from California. Ie. Eggs fed feed from California. I'm considering giving Miller's a call and asking about their chicken feed.
It would be a different story if the whole crumbling plant with it's hundreds tons of highly radioactive spent fuel is washed away by a typhoon or another tsunami.
It's my understanding it's leaking over 100,000 tons of radioactive toxins annually.
"Then yesterday, the government estimated that some 300 tons of radioactive water are pouring into the ocean each day."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=210253942 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=210253942)
Look, this is all bullshit scaremongering. Radioactivity of the kind at Fukushima would long ago have become diluted in the world's oceans to the point where it was quite harmless.
To each their own. I'll be eliminating produce and animal foods from California. I personally don't think 300 tons of radioactive water pouring into the ocean daily is diluted so easily.
The meltdown happened in 2011.
"Now to Japan for an update on the troubled Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant. It was heavily damaged by an earthquake and resulting tsunami in March 2011, leading to several meltdowns."
http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=210253942 (http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=210253942)
While the Japanese government doesn't say it's been leaking 300 tons daily since the accident started. 300 tons even over the course of one year (300 tons x365 days/year = 109,500 tons) is a substantial amount.
TEPCO didn't admit it till much later, but potentially it's been leaking that much the whole time.
"But certainly, it's not a good situation, and I think it's as much about public trust as anything else. It took TEPCO a long time to admit this leaking was happening."
I think the media is underestimating the true extent of the damage that will (and has been) be caused by it.
You might want to ask the question, what's worse; the possible radiation or the fear of it.
I think I'll feel better knowing I've eliminated the source of the radiation (at least the main source), giving me peace of mind knowing I don't need to worry about it.
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Sounds like you're on it. Keep us abreast on what you learn. The 300 tons... I wonder what that really means. For instance, if one were to add one drop of radioactive water to an olympic size swimming pool, theoretically that pool would be considered radioactive waste.... do you get my meaning? For me to stop eating food grown here in Ca. someone would have to show scientific data revealing levels of radioactive material, in say a piece of cow, and how it related to any significant danger to my body. Not to say I'm not interested.
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The 300 tons... I wonder what that really means. For instance, if one were to add one drop of radioactive water to an olympic size swimming pool, theoretically that pool would be considered radioactive waste.... do you get my meaning?
Yes. I'm not sure exactly to be honest.
For me to stop eating food grown here in Ca. someone would have to show scientific data revealing levels of radioactive material, in say a piece of cow, and how it related to any significant danger to my body. Not to say I'm not interested.
The articles are conflicting. Some say everything grown and raised in California are contaminated, while others say only certain things are contaminated, some say nothing is contaminated.
"Milk samples taken across the United States have shown radiation at levels 2000 percent higher than EPA maximums."
http://biontologyblogging.com/radiation-fukushima/ (http://biontologyblogging.com/radiation-fukushima/)
"Good News: It seems, as of August 2011 in California, many of the vegetables are not contaminated with radioactive isotopes.
“8/16 (6:48pm): We just finished testing a sample of carrots and a sample of cherry tomatoes, both from a local organic farm that has supplied most of our strawberry samples. No radioactive isotopes from Japan were detected.”"
"Bad News: If you drink milk from California, there still seems to be detectible levels of radioactive Cesium.
“9/27 (12:17pm): We have posted two new store-bought milk samples with Best By dates of 9/26 and 10/1. We continue to detect low levels of both Cs-134 and Cs-137.”
And from raw milk as well:
“9/1 (4:22pm): Two raw milk samples were added to our raw milk page. Both samples come from a single dairy the Sacramento area, and one sample is cow milk and the other is goat milk. Both samples show detectable levels of Cs-134 and Cs-137.”"
http://geigercounter.com/fukushima-nuclear-california-dairy-products/ (http://geigercounter.com/fukushima-nuclear-california-dairy-products/)
I'm eliminating them more on a precautionary basis. I can't say definitively that the food I've been getting from California is horribly contaminated. But I've seen so much info on food being tainted that I prefer to eliminate them and er on the side of safety. Especially considering my animal foods haven't been coming from California and they're the bulk of my diet. While plant foods make up a very small amount (maybe 5-6 pieces of fruit daily), so making sure my fruit (mainly bananas, lol) is from elsewhere is doable.
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"Bad News: If you drink milk from California, there still seems to be detectible levels of radioactive Cesium.
“9/27 (12:17pm): We have posted two new store-bought milk samples with Best By dates of 9/26 and 10/1. We continue to detect low levels of both Cs-134 and Cs-137.”
And from raw milk as well:
“9/1 (4:22pm): Two raw milk samples were added to our raw milk page. Both samples come from a single dairy the Sacramento area, and one sample is cow milk and the other is goat milk. Both samples show detectable levels of Cs-134 and Cs-137.”"
Of course, there are detectable levels in milk, which concentrate radioactivity and pesticides alike (bioaccumulation in the food chain), unlike most plants. Currently, nothing to worry about, these levels remain extremely low. The radioactive water leaking into the Ocean is only slightly radioactive and 300 tons (12 tank trucks loads) are nothing compared to the total weight of the Pacific’s water.
Wikipedia:
The volume of the Pacific Ocean, representing about 50.1 percent of the world's oceanic water, has been estimated at some 714 million cubic kilometers.
1 m3 of water = 1 t (t = metric ton)
1 km3 of water = 1.000.000 t
714.000.000 km3 x 1.000.000 t = 714.000.000.000.000 t
There are millions tons of natural uranium dissolved into the oceans.
(from your link:) the levels of cesium found in the tuna in 2012 had levels 3 percent higher than is usual.
If you're really concerned, then eating 3% less tuna and replacing it with 3% more sardines (which are smaller and much lower in the food chain, thus bioaccumulating much less) would do! :) ;)
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Iguana, as usual, has a point. The levels of radioactivity are nonexistent once one realises that the dilution in the Pacific means that the radioactivity resulting is microscopic and harmless. It is much worse to avoid raw seafood as a result, let alone California raw meats.
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The levels of radioactivity are nonexistent once one realises that the dilution in the Pacific means that the radioactivity resulting is microscopic and harmless.
That would be true if the radioactive water being released disbursed evenly throughout the Pacific Ocean. It doesn't. Currents move through particular tracks, and while the water will eventually disperse this may take hundreds if not thousands of years. The image below shows the relevant currents operating in the North Pacific, and you can see that the Kuroshio current grabs water from the east coast of Japan and draws it straight to the west coast of North America. The radioactive water is diluted somewhat, but not to the degree that Iguana contends.
(http://mail.colonial.net/~hkaiter/1AAAImages/northpacific%20urrent.jpg)
Further, ocean currents aren't the only transport mechanism to be concerned about. The other is air deposition of radioactive particles. The east coast of the US doesn't get as much deposition traceable to Fukushima because much of the radio-isotopes carried across the Pacific will have already decayed to daughter particles. For the west coast of the US, this is unfortunately not the case. Hence people getting 'hot' readings when testing various samples taken along the west coast of North America.
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Eric, until you can show references to tested radiation levels in West Coast fish or plants that, according to the WHO or a US government organization, are at or above safe levels, please let it go. We have WAY more than enough pointless paranoid fear-mongering from the ACTUAL crazy people here, without the saner ones joining in. Thank you.
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CK, if you want to rely on government agencies for things like this, you're free to do so. And so is everyone else.
There are plenty of individuals and organizations out there who are perfectly capable of correctly using geiger counters and similar instruments who have demonstrated contamination of foods with radionuclides, particularly fatty foods like ocean fish and dairy, in excess of safe levels. I'm personally unwilling to wait for government agencies to get over their denial before making adjustments in my eating patterns.
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I agree with Eric, heard a rather intelligent sounding group on public radio, sounds like there are groups covering up the big picture. But then extremist can blow things out of the water. Eric, why don't you simply share what you learn that sounds like documented truth (what ever that means).
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People have been scaremongering about radioactivity for years. The last example was Czernobyl where unscrupulous Irish farmers pretended that their sheep were dying from radiation and tried to get compensation from the EU. Simply put, the only dangerous area is the one right next door to the radioactive leak. Once the radioactivity is dispersed via air/water in vast amounts, there is no danger., Come to think of it, some studies on Czernobyl have actually shown that wildlife there benefitted hugely from the lack of humans and did not suffer from the radiation much.
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...Eric, why don't you simply share what you learn that sounds like documented truth (what ever that means).
I don't have links to resources handy. If I have time I'll try to find them again. In the meantime, if you care about this then you might consider doing your own homework...
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If there really WERE such levels of radioactivity, the US would be demanding that the Japanese pay hundreds of billions in restitution. You can't hide this sort of thing. You'd have to murder/disappear everyone with a Geiger counter who decided to test seafood on the West Coast.
That's not to say there aren't government conspiracies. I just don't think that this happens to be one. Why would the US government conspire to help the Japanese cover up the endangering of the US food supply? Who are they to us? All they've ever done is attack Pearl Harbor and put our domestic manufacturing in peril with their cars and electronics. They'd have been happy to attack the US mainland in WWII, and there are plenty of them who still couldn't care less if every American just spontaneously died. They are, generally speaking (with individual exceptions) one of the most racist, xenophobic countries on the planet. It's an island mentality. There's no love lost between the two governments. The only thing keeping the relationship civil is that they have a pitiful military and a semi-democratic-ish government.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNRC_1Kx-eg (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNRC_1Kx-eg)
For what it's worth, Patrick Flanagan's perspective on Fukushima and his recommendations. This guy's an MD and PHD and recommends a raw diet.
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Simply put, the only dangerous area is the one right next door to the radioactive leak. Once the radioactivity is dispersed via air/water in vast amounts, there is no danger., Come to think of it, some studies on Czernobyl have actually shown that wildlife there benefitted hugely from the lack of humans and did not suffer from the radiation much.
Animal prosperity is inconclusive as animal life cycle could be too short to know long term effects. There are heavily polluted areas north-east from the ground zero. http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Chernobyl_radiation_map_1996.svg (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/2/23/Chernobyl_radiation_map_1996.svg) Reports of thyroid cancer are very high in red and pink areas.
I think granite countertops are more radioactive than any spot along west coast.
Milk example does not make much sense. Cows do not drink sea water. No one irrigates anything with sea water. I totally not worried about it.
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The sea water becomes rain. I don't think the mainstream medical establishment understands how tiny, bioactive particles can affect how the body functions. Think of the vaccine controversy, mercury in fillings etc. Our understanding of nanoparticles and nanotechnology is still in its infancy and we're not going to get to the bottom of anything here.
Distributing information that runs counter to what the AMA professes to believe is supremely difficult and essentially impossible for practicing scientists and doctors, which is why I'll always take whatever precautions seem reasonable to me no matter what they say. The mainstream medical establishment has compromised their integrity with their long history of deceit and failure to provide basic preventative care.
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Two things:
1. Our understanding of radiation poisoning is actually pretty good, thanks to the two atomic bombs dropped on Japan. There were all levels of radiation sickness after those bombs were dropped, for years and decades afterwards. We have a really good idea what specific levels of exposure are likely to do to people.
2. Most of us here eat a relatively healthy diet. That means, if anything, we're probably LESS likely to have long-term problems from any low-level radiation poisoning.
Granted, different people will respond in different ways, depending on their genetics, but...I think mainstream science actually is probably pretty solid and trustworthy on this particular issue, given my first point.
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Who are they to us? All they've ever done is attack Pearl Harbor and put our domestic manufacturing in peril with their cars and electronics. They'd have been happy to attack the US mainland in WWII, and there are plenty of them who still couldn't care less if every American just spontaneously died. They are, generally speaking (with individual exceptions) one of the most racist, xenophobic countries on the planet. It's an island mentality. There's no love lost between the two governments. The only thing keeping the relationship civil is that they have a pitiful military and a semi-democratic-ish government.
Err, the above is pretty racist and absurd. Not to mention wrong.
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Don’t misunderstand me, I think any use of nuclear fire is a big mistake, even more dangerous and damaging than use of regular fire. This is one of the reasons I left France for nuclear free Portugal. It was probably a somewhat unreasonable and overly emotional reaction after the Fukushima disaster, but that’s it! To say that I’ve been extremely concerned with the consequences of this catastrophe.
That said, up to now these consequences have not been as dramatic as they might have been.
It is quite funny that DaBoss initial post quotes articles and provides links showing the opposite of what he says! For example http://geigercounter.com/fukushima-nuclear-california-dairy-products/: (http://geigercounter.com/fukushima-nuclear-california-dairy-products/:)
This direct comparison between Fukushima fallout and atmospheric weapons fallout in these soils shows that the fallout from Fukushima in Northern California is significantly less than the amount of Cs-137 that still remains from weapons testing, which has had nearly 50 years to disperse and decay.”
Basically, what this means is that in California, we should be more concerned about the fallout from nuclear testing over the last 50 years, than the fallout from Fukushima.
The vegetables tested – at least according to UC-Berkeley – have not shown detectable levels recently. This, like I said above, is good news. Our plant food appears safe.
Up to now, I’m more concerned with other oceanic pollutions, such as from plastic and noxious chemicals. I fear that seas such as the Baltic, the Gulf of Thailand, Malacca Straights, the Mediterranean and the Gulf of Mexico are getting so polluted that fish consumption from these areas is on the way to become hazardous.
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Why would the US government conspire to help the Japanese cover up the endangering of the US food supply?
To prevent a mass panic. Many of the uprisings that are part of the 'Arab Spring' have at their roots food insecurity.
If people want to continue eating Pacific caught fish and all manner of foods from Japan and the west coast of the US, please feel free to do so. All I'm saying is that I'm no longer willing to do this myself.
Bon appétit...
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Err, the above is pretty racist and absurd. Not to mention wrong.
Spoken like someone from another very famous island nation. ROFL
But seriously, the Japanese are famously racist and xenophobic. I think they may be making some efforts to change that now, but they literally cut off all contact with the outside world for about 300 years. That is some serious xenophobia, and it's a fairly typical thing for an island nation.
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Spoken like someone from another very famous island nation. ROFL
But seriously, the Japanese are famously racist and xenophobic. I think they may be making some efforts to change that now, but they literally cut off all contact with the outside world for about 300 years. That is some serious xenophobia, and it's a fairly typical thing for an island nation.
This is all meaningless. Take China for example, it used to also be heavily isolationist(from c.1371 to 1911) and then there's the famously neutral Switzerland, so "island nations" are hardly the only isolationist countries; and isolationist countries usually have very good reasons for being "isolationist" such as not wanting to participate in foreign wars and thus avoid getting slaughtered etc.. As regards the Japanese, at the time they had been infiltrated by Christians who were seriously disrupting millenia-old old social standards, so they had every right to cut off most contact. Incidentally, they did not cut of ALL contact as they allowed the Dutch to stay on as traders as the latter were sensible and did not try to proselytise/convert them.
I have never been to Japan but my brother has, and has pointed out that Japan since WW2 has been, if anything, very worryingly pro-Western in its atttitudes, with most Japanese copying the West in a multitude of ways. Indeed, he found that as a gaijin, he was very much desired by the local women.
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Your example of China actually proves my point. The many mountain ranges between China and India, including the Himalaya, effectively wall off that part of the world from the West. Even when the Silk Road was active, there was relatively little direct contact. That type of isolation tends to create xenophobia, and encourages racism, if there are racial differences. And yes, the Chinese are famously xenophobic and racist.
And the Swiss are the same way. The Alps are a natural barrier, which in turn created some xenophobia. Granted, all the BS that came from the rest of Europe for many centuries would be a natural thing to try to avoid. Neither the royals nor the church were all that wonderful, to say the least, the Inquisition being just one example.
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This is again nonsense. The Silk Routes were huge in number so trade was very brisk. And there was plenty of direct contact. So much so that there was that recent find of European mummies with blond and red hair found in China some time back, the Tarim mummies, showing that there was great cultural exchange at the time, thousands of years ago. Then there was that recent Chinese village which showed residents having very large amounts of European ancestry either from the Romans or the Huns, and the fact that Genghiz Khan had red hair and green eyes with the Mongols, invaders of China, having a sizeable portion of Caucasian DNA in them, and so on.
The Swiss example is also bad. The main reason for the splits was a question of religious differences, nothing more.
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We're getting off topic, and nothing you have said helps prove that the US government is likely to help the Japanese hide excessive levels of radioactivity.
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We're getting off topic, and nothing you have said helps prove that the US government is likely to help the Japanese hide excessive levels of radioactivity.
Do they honestly have to hide anything? All the government has to do is look the other way, while the PR people say to the public"move along there is nothing to see here."
Who is to say what constitutes excess radiation anyway, or that the samples taken are actually representative of the entire contaminated area?
Its the same tactic that is being used with every other issue that threatens human health. Just look away and ignore the issue and eventually people will forget, and 20 years later no one will be able to see why everyones chromosomes are screwed up. The ignore the problem protocol has been applied to many things such as GMO, pesticides, chemical fertilizers, radiation from innumerable sources to name a few.
That being said, I honestly don't believe that fukushima is polluting land animals in California. There may be other sources of radioactive pollution, but its highly unlikely that fukushima would be the culprit.
Me and my half racist Japaneses girlfriend have talked allot about the issues of radiation, and speculative reports that utensils, building materials, radon from underground, etc are possible causes for contaminating our our environment with unsafe levels of radiation.
Does anyone think it would be wise to buy a meter to scan over our personal living space to insure there isn't excessive radiation?
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The main risk of low-level radiation is cancer, and the kind of diet that we eat is very protective against cancer. For that matter, the levels of radiation that we get in our environment may even be hormetic, to use one of your favorite words, tyler.
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Does anyone think it would be wise to buy a meter to scan over our personal living space to insure there isn't excessive radiation?
Just make sure to thoroughly ventilate low areas of the house such as basement. Radon is very heavy gas and accumulates in low areas. Dirt crawl spaces are especially susceptible. It is only harmful when inhaled. It's radiation is too weak to penetrate skin.
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http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/01/01/36-signs-media-lying-radiation-fukushima-affecting-west-coast/ (http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/01/01/36-signs-media-lying-radiation-fukushima-affecting-west-coast/)
"36 Signs The Media Is Lying To You About How Radiation From Fukushima Is Affecting The West Coast"
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http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/01/01/36-signs-media-lying-radiation-fukushima-affecting-west-coast/ (http://banoosh.com/blog/2014/01/01/36-signs-media-lying-radiation-fukushima-affecting-west-coast/)
"36 Signs The Media Is Lying To You About How Radiation From Fukushima Is Affecting The West Coast"
Well... the beginning of the end? It can and will only get worse, people being lied to and not told the truth just adding more.
Always have to read between and behind the lines and dig out alternative articles and such to know what really is going on.
Have to now check where sea food is coming from before eating it. And wouldn't hurt to learn ocean's currents... and overall water movement, and ocean animals' paths, and anything and everything that goes through pacific. Even if I'm not anywhere near the danger zone.
Sad that pacific ocean is dying.
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Look, this is all bullshit scaremongering. Radioactivity of the kind at Fukushima would long ago have become diluted in the world's oceans to the point where it was quite harmless.
I agree. It's all propoganda brainwashing to control the populations in fear. This conspiracy theory is the biggest load of crap that is trying to turn peoples attentions away from the reality that is making people sick right in our societies, such as the foods people are eating, the water supplies and biological warfare, but radiation being dangerous anywhere but Japan years after the fact is the biggest scam I've seen in a long time and all the news stories are obviously twisted out of proportion and can easily be debunked.
I don't understand why people are so afraid of radiation in the first place. They don't understand what radiation poisoning is. People survive radiation poisoning from being exposed to it face on all the time - it's easily curable, let alone all the so called radiation "disasters" in history have proved to us that radiation is not the ominous radioctive tentacle creating disaster we wanted it to be. It didn't do much harm before, nor did it this time.
I hate how every single thing that comes up these days is blamed on radiation, then when scientists prove it wasn't the cause people bow their heads in dissapointment and wait for another excuse to blame radiation on. What about all the Sonar blasts that are harming the whales, yet people are so quick to blame every little ocean problem on radiation? It's like people want some kind of doomsday thing to happen. I don't understand this world. The world's loopy. If you ask me people are all zombies already LoL and we already saw the zombie apocalypse, radiation should be the least of their concern. They are infected with ignorance. Quick to believe whatever they read on the internet.
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It's like people WANT the world to end and get it over with.
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Its all relative to your point of view. True paranoia is for those in possession of all the facts
Radiation is ubiquitous and we should not pretend to know how much people are exposed to, nor what effects it has. I have had three Cat scans and dozens of X-rays, been hit with high voltage, bathed daily in wifi, and cell tower waves, worked in Radon filled basements, and lord knows what else. My father use to play with transistor radios, and owned the very first car phones, and my grandfather was in the navy on war ships that used the radar. These all can be viewed as straws on the proverbial camel, of which fukashima is just one of millions of other weighty issues baring down upon its over burdened back.
The rabbit hole has no end, and the sky is always falling, all we can do is go forward, forever forward.
Terence Mckenna denounces Relativism (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7OX77Qv66qw#)
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Look, this is all bullshit scaremongering. Radioactivity of the kind at Fukushima would long ago have become diluted in the world's oceans to the point where it was quite harmless.
Agreed! If you want to live in a bubble than do that. Posting this crap is like yelling fire in a dark theatre. deboss88 all you state is Tuna. Hey buddy, it migrates throughout the ocean. If you want to avoid tuna than do it. You should be avoiding Tuna anyway's! Tuna is a predatory fish that is high in the food chain. We all know we should limit our intake on these fish due to the high mercury in their flesh. I live in Southern California, and if you have an issue with food from California than avoid it and eat food you trust. BTW deboss88, go check yourself for radioactivity. I bet you're radioactive like everything else on this planet is! l)
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. We all know we should limit our intake on these fish due to the high mercury in their flesh.
No, we don't. The mercury in fish is not enough to cause problems in most people. The Japanese (and many other island/coastal cultures) eat waaaay more seafood than Americans do, on average, and they are not showing massive mercury poisoning. In fact, they have pretty long life spans, on average.
Not one seafood-eating population on the planet is showing signs of mercury poisoning. But you're right about radioactivity. It's all useless scare-mongering.
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CK is absolutely right. There was that study done on the children in the Seychelles and these children incurred no harm whatsoever from the microscopic amounts of mercury found in raw seafood, even though they ate 10 times as much seafood in a year than Americans do.
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Agreed! If you want to live in a bubble than do that. Posting this crap is like yelling fire in a dark theatre. deboss88 all you state is Tuna. Hey buddy, it migrates throughout the ocean. If you want to avoid tuna than do it. You should be avoiding Tuna anyway's! Tuna is a predatory fish that is high in the food chain. We all know we should limit our intake on these fish due to the high mercury in their flesh. I live in Southern California, and if you have an issue with food from California than avoid it and eat food you trust. BTW deboss88, go check yourself for radioactivity. I bet you're radioactive like everything else on this planet is! l)
Then, the correct word would be then, not than. If you want to live in a bubble then do that. If you want to avoid tuna then do it. If you have a problem with food from California then avoid it. The correct way to use than in a sentence would be "I'd rather eat non-California produce than California produce."
Thank you for the advice.
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Thanks for the discussion on Island nations etc CK and TD
My understanding is that there is more to the mercury issue than mercury by itself. An excellent podcast Revolution Health Radio Chris Kresser # 34 tells the story accurately.
Mercury like all things affects some PPL more than others in the same way that everything does. A friend of mine has Pinks disease and almost died - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173747/ (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3173747/)
Some PPL are either not aware or just plain stupid when it comes to things that affect their health. I for instance cannot have a wifi on in my vicinity or I get headaches and feel very sleepy and my head gets hot. My wife gets headaches and cannot sleep very well when it is on.
There are no doubt some PPL who are more sensitive to radiation and may have serious issues from it. It may very well be that it has a low level affect on everyone. Kind of like mad cow disease. I read that if one animal has it and it's meat is put into a vat and made into ground beef it can infect 10,000 PPL just because of the way that fast food is made. The insidious thing about MCD is that it's affects do not show up for a very long time so if someone has dementia for instance it may be just blamed on 'old age' not the hamburger you had 10, 15 years ago.
To dismiss this as some kind of hysteria is an invitation for instant karma.
One of my sisters was the world's most vocal skeptic who liked to trash everyone that got sick as being a whiner and that half the diseases that PPL got were because they were too lazy to go to work, etc, till she got lyme and couldn't walk for tripping over things and all the other symptoms. She would have been the first to dis others with supposed lyme and join in with the packs of Doctors who dismiss it as quackery. But then instant karma hit her. She was very lucky in that the local Dr. in her home town had had lyme himself and so was quick off the mark to treat her.
The reason for talking about these subjects is hopefully someone out there has a way to do something about it, either on a personal level or a mass scale, whatever.
It is not helpful to just categorically dismiss things, especially with generalized hyperbole. To cloak yourself in the holy disguise of a skeptic is to live in a self-important world of delusion. The world of science does not include PPL who categorically dismiss everything. A true scientist has no opinion, just facts.
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Dr (surgeon) Jack Kruse does a talk on the radiation issue on a podcast. Unfortunately I do not recall which one it is on. It is either on a podcast "Bulletproof Radio' Dave Asprey or Not just Paleo with Kris Gunnars.
He is quite an interesting character.
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The evidence against mercury and radiation scares is actually based on several solid scientific studies. I already mentioned the Seychelles one, for example, which makes the ludicrous anti-mercury scares seem pathetic.
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The evidence against mercury and radiation scares is actually based on several solid scientific studies. I already mentioned the Seychelles one, for example, which makes the ludicrous anti-mercury scares seem pathetic.
I hear you Tyler. I wasn't actually aiming that post at you. A number of posters were making large statements about what they 'believe'. Whether I agree with you or not, you at least give proofs.
Although having said that, you know as well as I do that scientific studies are a kind of smoke and mirrors show. Some science is funded by PPL who have something to gain from an outcome and so they hire their 'favourite' scientists and start with a conclusion and work backwards. This is not to dismiss it all, but there are a number of problems with science. I am awaiting a copy of Rupert Sheldrake's Rupert Sheldrake - The Science Delusion BANNED TED TALK (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JKHUaNAxsTg#ws)
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You are correct in stating that science can be dodgy. In the case of all those studies damning meats, they, for example, completely ignore the fact that the relevant meats in studies are always cooked. As regards the mercury/fukushima guff, though, I do not solely base my views on scientific studies but also on common sense and past experience. For example, there used to be scare stories in the late 1980s suggesting that all western Europeans were going to die as a result of the Czernobyl disaster.
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You are correct in stating that science can be dodgy. In the case of all those studies damning meats, they, for example, completely ignore the fact that the relevant meats in studies are always cooked. As regards the mercury/fukushima guff, though, I do not solely base my views on scientific studies but also on common sense and past experience. For example, there used to be scare stories in the late 1980s suggesting that all western Europeans were going to die as a result of the Czernobyl disaster.
I hear ya. It's difficult to know truly the middle road where facts are located. Newspapers are not something I bother with for this reason. I am sure you are familiar with the nimwits in the media and their lack of judgement and truthfulness.
I remember years ago I did a charter for the CBC national news. We took them to a small French possession south of NL called St. Pierre et Miquelon. Long story but basically the locals would not talk to these media PPL so when they got back to the aircraft they held a pow-wow to try to salvage some sort of story for the 'National' as this aircraft was expensive.
So they made up something that would have made McCartney/Lennon proud. Paperback Writer - The Beatles (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=taADLPtyDb0#) It was complete BS, fabrication. Something from a bad paperback thriller.
this unfortunately gets done with science also.
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For what it's worth, the book by Ruppert Sheldrake that you allude to is superb. The US title is Science Set Free, the European version's title is The Science Delusion, which is a play on the title of Richard Dawkins' book The God Delusion.
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Then, the correct word would be then, not than. If you want to live in a bubble then do that. If you want to avoid tuna then do it. If you have a problem with food from California then avoid it. The correct way to use than in a sentence would be "I'd rather eat non-California produce than California produce."
Thank you for the advice.
You aren't going on one of your schizophrenia rants again are you? Go have another serving of raw liver and brains. Hopefully that will bring you back down to Earth. It's funny, because most of the crap you post is technically "crap". lol . Maybe that's your schizophrenia coming out. I don't know? I'm not a doctor. Hopefully you don't play your own doctor at home. Do you hear voices when you read posts? What sets you off? Misspelled words, grammar, cooked foods, people in general, opinions that you don't agree with? Just trying to figure you out bro? I would advise you eat something first before you post. It "might" help you with your thoughts? On second hand, maybe not. -\ I have a suggestion for you, and this might fit you better that DaBoss88. Schizo88. Just thought I'd throw the 88 in there. I don't know why you'd use that? I mean how many DaBoss's are there in this forum? hehehe
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You aren't going on one of your schizophrenia rants again are you? Go have another serving of raw liver and brains. Hopefully that will bring you back down to Earth. It's funny, because most of the crap you post is technically "crap". lol . Maybe that's your schizophrenia coming out. I don't know? I'm not a doctor. Hopefully you don't play your own doctor at home. Do you hear voices when you read posts? What sets you off? Misspelled words, grammar, cooked foods, people in general, opinions that you don't agree with? Just trying to figure you out bro? I would advise you eat something first before you post. It "might" help you with your thoughts? On second hand, maybe not. -\ I have a suggestion for you, and this might fit you better that DaBoss88. Schizo88. Just thought I'd throw the 88 in there. I don't know why you'd use that? I mean how many DaBoss's are there in this forum? hehehe
This is so rude and unnecessary... If his spelling/grammar checking bothers you why don't you just say that?
He's healing himself from a mental disorder that is said to only be able to be managed with medication... why are you bringing him down, thats a great thing. He didn't ask to have schizophrenia, and that doesnt even matter because you should still give everyone a basic level of respect. You're really being an asshole.
Also, I would like to know if you respect doctors so much, why you are eating a diet that any doctor would tell you to avoid at all costs?
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You aren't going on one of your schizophrenia rants again are you? Go have another serving of raw liver and brains. Hopefully that will bring you back down to Earth. It's funny, because most of the crap you post is technically "crap". lol . Maybe that's your schizophrenia coming out. I don't know? I'm not a doctor. Hopefully you don't play your own doctor at home. Do you hear voices when you read posts? What sets you off? Misspelled words, grammar, cooked foods, people in general, opinions that you don't agree with? Just trying to figure you out bro? I would advise you eat something first before you post. It "might" help you with your thoughts? On second hand, maybe not. -\ I have a suggestion for you, and this might fit you better that DaBoss88. Schizo88. Just thought I'd throw the 88 in there. I don't know why you'd use that? I mean how many DaBoss's are there in this forum? hehehe
Essentially what I was implying by pointing at your grammatical errors was that you are likely lacking in the intelligence department, and that your suggestions likely reflect that lack of intelligence. This post confirms it, it also shows you lack maturity. Nonetheless, I still thanked you for your advice.
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Lena, check your messages you PM box is full, heres the other half of the message that I sent you
"Those schools are great because often on farms you get so busy and are so isolated that there isn't really a great deal of learning on very basic skills. Like how to utilize whole animals, tan hides, make wools, or just other basic farm steading skills.
Anyway I think you are brilliant for realizing the value of experiences like these! It took me until I was 24 to start working on farms and OMG I cant believe anyone ever decided that the best way to "educate" the masses is in class room. I have learned so many invaluable skills and met the most amazing friends and animals and lived in some of the most beautiful parts of the country . I am just turning 31 and wouldn't ever dream of doing anything else besides working on farms and ranches :)
A few other places to look for ranches are growfood.org or attra.net
I am in Southern Oregon by the way. Where are you again? I hope any of that helped. "
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While DaBoss is wrong to link poor spelling/punctuation to poor intelligence since the former is usually due to someone merely writing too fast and not paying attention, it is true that it gives a false impression. It really would help if people just took a bit of trouble to use a spell-checker after every post or just have a 2nd look at your recent posts like I usually do. it makes the forum seem at first glance more erudite if we all have great spelling etc. in our posts.
By the way, I notice that some of the those who do not have English as a first language have really improved in their posts. Good stuff!
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Hey Chris. I'd just like to apologize. I know you, like everyone on this forum means well. Even if some times you come off a little strong.
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Hey Chris. I'd just like to apologize. I know you, like everyone on this forum means well. Even if some times you come off a little strong.
You don't have to apologize. Contrary to a few peoples beliefs, this was not a personal attack on you. It's no secret that you suffer from Schizophrenia. Heck, you have a journal dedicated to it. Let me explain a few things about this site that bothers me. It's trolls that aren't ready to fully commit, or partially commit. People that need their hands held and need encouragement mentally and educationally. This diet is NOT for everybody. I've had issues with posters in the past about expecting this diet to cure all that ails them. A "cure all diet". I think that sends the wrong message. But, for some reason a lot of the senior posters who kind of run this site encourage it. -v. I think it sends the wrong message. People are going to look at this community and diet as a bunch of blood thirsty mentally F@#$%^ up people. I don't want that!
This diet is a lifestyle. Not some sort of freak/show diet. I'm not trying to pick on you, even though it seems like I am. But, I've read so many crappy, time wasting, $#$% on this site it blows my mind. I actually left this site for a while due to exactly that. Maybe, I don't need to be on this site, or I shouldn't be on this site anymore. I feel personally that for the most part this site brings nothing to the table for me. I think I'm starting to realize that.
I wish you well in controlling your Schizophrenia. I really do. It's funny, because there are a lot of people on this site who think this diet is a cure all. It's a great foundation. But, a cure all? That's stretching it. Nutrition, like I've posted before is only one part of the human condition. Mentally, emotionally, love, ect will never be solved just because you eat raw! IMO.
When I first joined I felt a community. I've meet some great people along the way. Plus, there are some extremely smart and intelligent people in this forum. I'm sure I don't have to tell you that. But, I don't like where this forum is going. I think I'm going to check out and go this on my own.
I wish you well and no hurt feelings. Negativity doesn't do anybody any good. I'd like to checkout in a positive vibe. Peace.
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But, for some reason a lot of the senior posters who kind of run this site encourage it. -v. I think it sends the wrong message.
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It's funny, because there are a lot of people on this site who think this diet is a cure all. It's a great foundation. But, a cure all? That's stretching it. Nutrition, like I've posted before is only one part of the human condition. Mentally, emotionally, love, ect will never be solved just because you eat raw! IMO.
Absolutely. But unlike you, I’m not under the impression that « a lot of the senior posters who kind of run this site encourage it. » Nutrition is only the easiest and most practical way to break the vicious circle. On the other hand, you need an emotionally balanced life with some love to eat properly and avoid overeating.
Anyway, we are far off this topic’s track…
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Dr (surgeon) Jack Kruse does a talk on the radiation issue on a podcast. Unfortunately I do not recall which one it is on. It is either on a podcast "Bulletproof Radio' Dave Asprey or Not just Paleo with Kris Gunnars.
He is quite an interesting character.
The main risk of low-level radiation is cancer, and the kind of diet that we eat is very protective against cancer. For that matter, the levels of radiation that we get in our environment may even be hormetic, to use one of your favorite words, tyler.
Yeah... Jack have said a low level of radiation might even be hormetic... If your redox potential is healthy and your body works as it should.
Very interesting.
Looks like nature always has a way... and our body is able to handle lots of stuff, if we just do most of the stuff right. But if we start to mess with circadian biology.. stress... crappy food choices.. etc. we need to be afraid of many things. I personally am not concerned about small amounts of radiation. I have read stories in the newspaper here about Tjernobyl... and they always made me wonder... Old people move back to the very polluted area.. they are doing great. Growing their own food etc. Those stories always makes me wonder... WTH is it that makes someone survive just fine, and others die from cancer etc. The same in WW2, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Two people got exactly the same amount of radiation... one died right there.. the other lived on just fine. This amazed me already as a kid and I never forgot those stories.
Made me realize, it all comes down how well my body functions. So that is what I choose to work on, not to avoid things I hardly can avoid. I do the same with technology. I avoid as much as I can, but there will always be radiowaves and stuff around - I just limit them as good as I can. The rest... I choose to believe will work hormetic to make me able to tolerate the ever increasing amounts of radiation in the future ;)
Does not mean I will start using my cellphone much, or WIFI.. or move to the city! Just like I am not choosing to live in Fukushima either. ;)
I sometimes eat fish from the Baltic sea, very radioactive sea BTW. But I do not all the time! I change it up and try to eat most of my fish from less polluted areas.
seems to work great as I feel great :)
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I've had issues with posters in the past about expecting this diet to cure all that ails them. A "cure all diet". I think that sends the wrong message. But, for some reason a lot of the senior posters who kind of run this site encourage it...
I'm right there with you Chris. I've seen enormous gains in health since incorporating raw animal foods into my diet back in 2003. But I've also been making a lot of other lifestyle changes at the same time, working less, getting more sleep, creating stronger and deeper relationships with people, etc. Building a better lifestyle is the real cure-all, if there is such a thing, and our eating patterns are just one component of that.
I was on a podcast with Denise Minger (author of Death by Food Pyramid, a great book by the way) a week or two back. I asked her what percent our eating patterns play in our overall health. She guessed that they made up a minority, with stress levels, toxics exposure, sleep and relationship quality making up the majority of what determines whether we're 'healthy' or not. She and I are on the same page here. People who think that diet, of any sort, can be a cure-all are far off base.
This underlies why I struggle with whether to remain an active poster here. Some of the more devoted posters act as though eating a raw paleo diet will make them invincible. Wasn't it last year that a young man convinced himself that he could have unprotected sex with a woman who had an STD without risk of infection because he was eating raw paleo? Within a month of making that claim, he stopped posting, as far as I know. I was bashed for referring to RPD as a theology, but given the behavior of some people here I think that's a very accurate way of looking at it. Very extreme eating patterns adopted and promoted by people who don't present themselves as being emotionally well balanced...
It's as if people are trying to start a raw paleo cult or something.
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All rubbish, of course. Sure, like ALL viewpoints, even mainstream ones, we have a few who go to extremes, like one or two who think that STDs cannot infect a raw foodist or whatever, but we are just like everyone else in that regard.
My own experience, and that of many others, is that diet plays a very big difference in life. In my own case, I tried all the usual nonsense re sleeping more or doing more exercise etc. in order to rebuild my health but none of them worked except changing my diet to a raw, palaeolithic one.
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Eric, I am pretty sure Ryan is still alive, just because he stopped posting does not mean he immediately died of STD's, in fact we hung out after he posted about his STD resistance and he did not appear to be suffering, lol.
It's over generalizations and everyone thinking their way is the only way that gets pretty annoying on here, and all of the personal attacks and emotional issues/mirroring that occurs, gets old. The old saying "if you cant say anything nice don't say anything at all" might apply well here lately.
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I was on a podcast with Denise Minger (author of Death by Food Pyramid, a great book by the way) a week or two back. I asked her what percent our eating patterns play in our overall health. She guessed that they made up a minority, with stress levels, toxics exposure, sleep and relationship quality making up the majority of what determines whether we're 'healthy' or not. She and I are on the same page here. People who think that diet, of any sort, can be a cure-all are far off base.
Denise may not have been exposed to hands on healing patients with RAW paleo diets where cooked paleo diets cannot touch.
The very reason this forum exists.
When my family and friends' lives hang in the balance, I bet their lives on raw paleo diets... not cooked.
The results can be immediate when you hit it right on the nose.
The late Aajonus Vonderplanitz wrote about his healing people with his version of raw paleo diet and I keep his books in my computers as reference. And I have been healing people with raw paleo diets hands on because of the insights of Aajonus, Geoff, GCB and many other experienced people in this board.
This statement that rpd is a "small percentage" of healing is false in my personal experience, and healing others experiences.
That rpd is or any diet is not a "cure all" is of course well known by ALL logical people in this forum.
That RPD helps in resisting the usual infectious diseases is reported widely as experienced by many long term RPD practitioners... why we are usually the last ones standing or will be the ones who will not get sick. Like when in our home 10 people got sick and only 2 of us raw paleo dieters (me and my son) did not get sick is just one of my personal testimonies. (due to amoeba and pseudomonas)
That RPD and variants is one of the BEST and most effective diets out there for curing people and keeping people healthy is why this community remains strong.
Bad eating patterns play a MAJORITY role in the ill health of my fellow Filipinos.
Maybe your fellow people are eating well, but not mine. So I have to stress my disagreement with Denise' alleged statement that "eating patterns play a minority" role.
If you and Denise really believe that quote then you and her should go back to eating SAD.
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Eric, I am pretty sure Ryan is still alive, just because he stopped posting does not mean he immediately died of STD's...
Hi Jessica, I didn't mean to imply I thought he died, just noting the connection between a claim of invincibility and fairly rapid end to his posts.
And goodsamaritan, your post reflects perfectly the issue I brought up. Thanks. FYI, her diet is mostly raw, and includes some raw animal foods as well, mostly seafood although she did say she ate some grass-fed organs.
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Hi Jessica, I didn't mean to imply I thought he died, just noting the connection between a claim of invincibility and fairly rapid end to his posts.
And goodsamaritan, your post reflects perfectly the issue I brought up. Thanks.
And I will gladly repeat it for you to read again:
I was on a podcast with Denise Minger (author of Death by Food Pyramid, a great book by the way) a week or two back. I asked her what percent our eating patterns play in our overall health. She guessed that they made up a minority, with stress levels, toxics exposure, sleep and relationship quality making up the majority of what determines whether we're 'healthy' or not. She and I are on the same page here. People who think that diet, of any sort, can be a cure-all are far off base.
Denise may not have been exposed to hands on healing patients with RAW paleo diets where cooked paleo diets cannot touch.
The very reason this forum exists.
When my family and friends' lives hang in the balance, I bet their lives on raw paleo diets... not cooked.
The results can be immediate when you hit it right on the nose.
The late Aajonus Vonderplanitz wrote about his healing people with his version of raw paleo diet and I keep his books in my computers as reference. And I have been healing people with raw paleo diets hands on because of the insights of Aajonus, Geoff, GCB and many other experienced people in this board.
This statement that rpd is a "small percentage" of healing is false in my personal experience, and healing others experiences.
That rpd is or any diet is not a "cure all" is of course well known by ALL logical people in this forum.
That RPD helps in resisting the usual infectious diseases is reported widely as experienced by many long term RPD practitioners... why we are usually the last ones standing or will be the ones who will not get sick. Like when in our home 10 people got sick and only 2 of us raw paleo dieters (me and my son) did not get sick is just one of my personal testimonies. (due to amoeba and pseudomonas)
That RPD and variants is one of the BEST and most effective diets out there for curing people and keeping people healthy is why this community remains strong.
Bad eating patterns play a MAJORITY role in the ill health of my fellow Filipinos.
Maybe your fellow people are eating well, but not mine. So I have to stress my disagreement with Denise' alleged statement that "eating patterns play a minority" role.
If you and Denise really believe that quote then you and her should go back to eating SAD.
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Maybe your fellow people are eating well, but not mine. So I have to stress my disagreement with Denise' alleged statement that "eating patterns play a minority" role.
If you and Denise really believe that quote then you and her should go back to SAD.
I can vouch for that. I ate my whole life a version of a SAD diet. While on that diet I began concentrating more on my own health, what I ate, physical exercise, etc., years like that. I had trouble with matters and I didn't even know why it was or what exactly was wrong. About some aspects I thought "it's the way I am" - thought it was normal. Things got real bad, tired from the moment I woke up till bed-time and months like this, then came the heart problem, lack of iodine hit, spleen as well when I think back now, etc. Then I went raw, noticed myself healing, noticed parts of me healing I didn't even know were wrong or damaged.
If diet plays so little then why did everything begin getting better once I went raw? Diet was really the only major difference I made... aside what my new health issues demanded.
Everything depends on what you eat, it's the foundation of your life. If it is wrong then so are you.
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Thanks GS, your double post even more perfectly reflects the issue I raised. Thanks squared ;)
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I'm right there with you Chris. I've seen enormous gains in health since incorporating raw animal foods into my diet back in 2003. But I've also been making a lot of other lifestyle changes at the same time, working less, getting more sleep, creating stronger and deeper relationships with people, etc. Building a better lifestyle is the real cure-all, if there is such a thing, and our eating patterns are just one component of that.
I was on a podcast with Denise Minger (author of Death by Food Pyramid, a great book by the way) a week or two back. I asked her what percent our eating patterns play in our overall health. She guessed that they made up a minority, with stress levels, toxics exposure, sleep and relationship quality making up the majority of what determines whether we're 'healthy' or not. She and I are on the same page here. People who think that diet, of any sort, can be a cure-all are far off base.
This underlies why I struggle with whether to remain an active poster here. Some of the more devoted posters act as though eating a raw paleo diet will make them invincible. Wasn't it last year that a young man convinced himself that he could have unprotected sex with a woman who had an STD without risk of infection because he was eating raw paleo? Within a month of making that claim, he stopped posting, as far as I know. I was bashed for referring to RPD as a theology, but given the behavior of some people here I think that's a very accurate way of looking at it. Very extreme eating patterns adopted and promoted by people who don't present themselves as being emotionally well balanced...
It's as if people are trying to start a raw paleo cult or something.
I LOVED your post Eric.
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Yeah... Jack have said a low level of radiation might even be hormetic... If your redox potential is healthy and your body works as it should.
Very interesting.
Looks like nature always has a way... and our body is able to handle lots of stuff, if we just do most of the stuff right. But if we start to mess with circadian biology.. stress... crappy food choices.. etc. we need to be afraid of many things. I personally am not concerned about small amounts of radiation. I have read stories in the newspaper here about Tjernobyl... and they always made me wonder... Old people move back to the very polluted area.. they are doing great. Growing their own food etc. Those stories always makes me wonder... WTH is it that makes someone survive just fine, and others die from cancer etc. The same in WW2, Nagasaki and Hiroshima. Two people got exactly the same amount of radiation... one died right there.. the other lived on just fine. This amazed me already as a kid and I never forgot those stories.
Made me realize, it all comes down how well my body functions. So that is what I choose to work on, not to avoid things I hardly can avoid. I do the same with technology. I avoid as much as I can, but there will always be radiowaves and stuff around - I just limit them as good as I can. The rest... I choose to believe will work hormetic to make me able to tolerate the ever increasing amounts of radiation in the future ;)
Does not mean I will start using my cellphone much, or WIFI.. or move to the city! Just like I am not choosing to live in Fukushima either. ;)
I sometimes eat fish from the Baltic sea, very radioactive sea BTW. But I do not all the time! I change it up and try to eat most of my fish from less polluted areas.
seems to work great as I feel great :)
Funny how that goes. I also have seen that many times. PPL with a terrible diet lifestyle who live so old you almost have to shoot them to get rid of them. ;)
My guess is that they tend to laugh a lot, get PPL laughing around them and are basically always busy.
This is not so much a recipe as lots of gregarious PPL die young.
IMO a long life happens when you have a combination of a good diet and a zest for life. Good diet is a bit of a fuzzy wuzzy statement of course, but I believe that now that I have delved in this version of raw food, I am convinced it is a good idea.
However I choose not to prostheletize it unless someone notices and asks and even then I am not crazy about getting all preachy ;) about it.
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Hi Jessica, I didn't mean to imply I thought he died, just noting the connection between a claim of invincibility and fairly rapid end to his posts.
yup, but you did imply that the two were connected, and they aren't. and that is why I cant really participate message boards. people come up with assumptions based on weak "evidence" that is often second hand, jump to conclusions and hold fast to their own believes as if they were the only honest truth. its just like spinning tires and gets boring after a while.
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Hi Jessica, I didn't mean to imply I thought he died, just noting the connection between a claim of invincibility and fairly rapid end to his posts.
And goodsamaritan, your post reflects perfectly the issue I brought up. Thanks. FYI, her diet is mostly raw, and includes some raw animal foods as well, mostly seafood although she did say she ate some grass-fed organs.
I'm still around, but am bored by this place and the bulk of its inhabitants, most of you are a waste of this gift. What I would like is to have every post I've ever contributed here erased, as well as my other account. However, barring that, I will simply disappear.
With that said, I seem to be as invincible as ever, I will gladly report if/when that changes, still have not met a microbe I would not call 'Friend'. My life is a fairytale, a pleasant dream, I've me the girl of my dreams, she is 110% on board with RVAF, I don't have a health concern in the world, I'm financially set and I'm so incredibly happy, happier than I've ever been or ever thought I could be. My only wish for this board, is that those of you with severely warped perspectives on how health works and the nature of 'reality' might come to a more accurate understanding of these things. I will continue to monitor the boards from time to time but that will be the extent of my participation unless something interesting happens. Keep on being mediocre guys, or maybe don't. =)
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I'm still around, but am bored by this place and the bulk of its inhabitants, most of you are a waste of this gift. What I would like is to have every post I've ever contributed here erased, as well as my other account. However, barring that, I will simply disappear.
With that said, I seem to be as invincible as ever, I will gladly report if/when that changes, still have not met a microbe I would not call 'Friend'. My life is a fairytale, a pleasant dream, I've me the girl of my dreams, she is 110% on board with RVAF, I don't have a health concern in the world, I'm financially set and I'm so incredibly happy, happier than I've ever been or ever thought I could be. My only wish for this board, is that those of you with severely warped perspectives on how health works and the nature of 'reality' might come to a more accurate understanding of these things. I will continue to monitor the boards from time to time but that will be the extent of my participation unless something interesting happens. Keep on being mediocre guys, or maybe don't. =)
Lovely attitude...
You can't expect every single person to be the same, not physically, not mentally! If you do, as you are reflecting, then you have a lot to learn.
It does affect the mind what a person eats, but it's not the whole truth. Meaning if one eats right, or as close to it as can, does not immediately translate into mental awareness of the same extent.
Mediocre in what scale, in comparison to what exactly?
I'd say you are in the top when it comes to diet (I don't know for certain of course) but not anywhere near the top when it comes to mental condition.
And very nice of you to bash, without giving specific examples why you disagree and what you think would be correct.
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My only wish for this board, is that those of you with severely warped perspectives on how health works and the nature of 'reality' might come to a more accurate understanding of these things.
Just out of curiosity, could you be more specific with who it is with warped "perspectives on health," what these warped perspectives are, and what the reality they should understand is.
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Just out of curiosity, could you be more specific with who it is with warped "perspectives on health," what these warped perspectives are, and what the reality they should understand is.
I presume he meant Eric since the latter was making some rather pointless, unhelpful remarks recently.
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I presume he meant Eric since the latter was making some rather pointless, unhelpful remarks recently.
Oh ok.
Some of the more devoted posters act as though eating a raw paleo diet will make them invincible. Wasn't it last year that a young man convinced himself that he could have unprotected sex with a woman who had an STD without risk of infection because he was eating raw paleo?
Erik, I'd just like to point out the STD's mentioned some time ago were HPV and HSV. Which even in SAD eaters doesn't usually have any effect. There are people who eat regular diets and never get any symptoms from either. Just something to point out for others who may want to test their invincibility. You may not get symptoms, but most don't despite testing positive. What would be interesting is a before and after blood sample testing for HSV and seeing if they tested positive post exposure who eats a RAF diet.
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I was on a podcast with Denise Minger (author of Death by Food Pyramid, a great book by the way) a week or two back. I asked her what percent our eating patterns play in our overall health. She guessed that they made up a minority, with stress levels, toxics exposure, sleep and relationship quality making up the majority of what determines whether we're 'healthy' or not.
You and she both have neglected to mention posture, which is at least as important as any of the other things you've mentioned. Of course, that's getting off topic, but I thought it good to mention.
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I wasn't trying to be complete in that particular post, just making the point that diet isn't everything, and in fact is probably a minority. I would certainly agree that posture is important.
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Of course: diet is only about diet… Having the best diet possible doesn’t prevent us either to seek the best environmental conditions or to have as much physical exercise as possible.
I was thinking about that some days ago after reading a discussion on this forum about how important diet is for health, in percentile. 10% according to a certain Dr. Jack Kruse, rather perhaps 50% according to GS. Well... how important for the lifespan of a car, in %, is the quality of the fuel we fill in this car tank? Is it 10% or 90%? What about air filter changes, oil quality and grade, span between oil changes, kind of roads driven, competence, skill and habits of the driver?
No way to tell any percentile: it depends. All the factors are important, like a chain is only as strong as its weakest link.
… Suppress the nuisances and the body will tend to self heal — a kind of homeostasis. Cooked food is a nuisance, as atmospheric pollution, sedentary life, bad social conditions, etc. are.
We should split that topic from Fukushima's if we keep on talking about that!
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Fukushima Radiation Approaching U.S. West Coast (http://www.hngn.com/articles/25243/20140225/fukushima-radiation-approaching-u-s-west-coast-monitoring-crucial-especially-for-sushi-lovers-video.htm)
There is currently no U.S. or international plan to manage or monitor the advancing radioactive water.
"We've received a lot of interest from the public so far, which has been great. Right now we're gathering important baseline data, but we need continual support in order to monitor the plume over the long-term," WHOI marine chemist Ken Buesseler, said in the news release.
Buesseler said he does not expect the levels to be dangerously high in the water or even seafood as the contamination spreads, but he stressed monitoring was crucial in case these predications turn out to be false.
"We need to know the actual levels of radiation coming at us," community activist Bing Gong, said in the news release. "There's so much disinformation out there. We really need actual data."
Gong has raised enough money in Point Reyes, Calif. to sample the local water four times over the course of the year.
"My motivation was concern over fear-mongering on the Internet about allegedly high levels of Fukushima radiation in the coastal waters of California. I am a radiation oncologist, more familiar than most with radioactivity, and it seemed highly likely that the vast dilution of radioisotopes from Fukushima by the Pacific Ocean would result in a barely (if at all) measurable rise in counts," Doctor Roger Gilbert, a radiation oncologist in Mendocino, Calif. who also raised money for the cause, said in the news release.
The samples Buesseler has taken so far have been determined to be negative for new cesium-134 (an isotope released by the disaster) contamination.
"The reason why we see such low levels of radiation in these samples is because the plume is not here yet. But it's coming. And we'll actually be able to see its arrival," Buesseler said. "That baseline data is critical."
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Do the jokers on this board still think fukushima's radiation (not to mention hanford and wipp lololololol) isnt frying the pacific and and the west coast?
Denile is in Egypt, but denial is plaguing you!
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Have you read the last post or are you just being a troll?
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The main reason I keep eating this way is so I don't have to worry so much about the toxins, injuries, stresses, and other problems that can damage my health. Radiation is one of those potential problems, and I believe this diet is at least a little protective against it.
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But its so warm over here! I am not worried, I don't think I am going to be able to outrun all pollution on the planet. living a life trying to escape death is futile.
If I happen to be in a place where it is concentrated for the time being I also think diet, lifestyle and spirit can trump the negative effects, at least for now. Especially living in a place devoid of so many other pollutants and people.
There is so much info on how effective microorganisms can mitigate radiation, roll in dirt and compost, eat properly aged foods, feed your gut biome. trust the sun and the water. might not be perfect but nowhere and nothing is.
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Have you read the last post or are you just being a troll?
what post ?