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An additional problem with dairy, which is the same as plant fats is that they contain medium and short term fatty acids which metabolize different than the long chain fatty acids found in meat. Carb restriction mimics the metabolism of starvation (calorie restriction), yet eating fat from meat more so than eating fat from dairy or plants. If eating only fat from meat then metabolism stays pretty much the same whether you are either eating or fasting.

Perhaps dairy stops people from fully becoming 'fat adapted' since the fats in dairy are not utilized exactly the same way for energy as stored body fat though the fat from meat is (since it is body fat).

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Off Topic / Re: Would you become a paleolithic human if you could?
« on: August 15, 2009, 10:09:14 am »
I guess the thing is, If you went back to Paleo times, would you have the knowledge of what you have now? If I just lived a life in Paleo times unaware of what modern life is like it seems quite nice. However I am used to today's technology, today's lifestyle and culture that I doubt I could just give it up. If given the choice I would prefer to just go back to when I was born and follow a raw paleo diet from as early as possible to live in today's world but with paleo-like health.

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I ate zero carb cooked meat and didn't get scurvy. The idea is that Vitamin C doesn't prevent scurvy rather that hydroxylysine and hydroxyproline do and that through oxidation vitamin C can create hydroxylysine and hydroxyproline from the amino acids lysine and proline. Meat however already contains hydroxylysine and hydroxyproline ready to use. An average diet may not have enough meat in it to meet the body's hydroxylysine and hydroxyproline needs and requires some vitamin C.
http://blog.plantpoisonsandrottenstuff.info/2006/09/04/why-meat-prevents-scurvy/

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Hot Topics / Re: Shampoooo!
« on: August 09, 2009, 04:27:07 pm »
a 'natural' but commercial shampoo. Usually two-three times a week.

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General Discussion / Re: Question about teeth.
« on: August 09, 2009, 04:23:29 pm »
The 1 big hassle I have wiith eating raw meat is the absolute need to clear out every last tiny bit of raw meat sticking in my teeth. I don't chew much, sometimes not at all, but, even so, I invariably end up with my various front teeth having bits of white stuck in them all over, requiring some time to get rid of with floss-sticks.

I notice that food more often gets stuck in between the teeth of mine that aren't straight than other places. Similar for you?

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General Discussion / Re: Eating time and freshness
« on: August 09, 2009, 04:21:22 pm »
I prefer to sleep on an empty or light stomach. I believe its better. Sleep is when repair and rejuvenation takes place. Digestion disrupts this process.


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General Discussion / Re: Do you tell your farmers what the meats for??
« on: August 09, 2009, 04:19:03 pm »
There is no need to tell them. Sometimes when buying meat the butcher suggests things such as this is a good cut for whole roasting or something like that. I just be polite. say thanks pay and move on.

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General Discussion / Re: teeth and hunting
« on: August 02, 2009, 01:11:16 pm »
Fat and protein are not natural fuels, that's why the body hates using them for energy and tries to avoid it as much as possible.

The body stores excess energy regardless of where it comes from as fat, it does not avoid using fat. It chooses to have most of its energy reserves as fat so how did you draw such a conclusion?

The body burns the least important things for fuel first i.e. Sugar. Then turns to fat, muscle and finally organs.

A lion will burn sugar for energy before fat if it eats carbohydrates (which it of course can, in fact cats fed carbohydrate based diets such as pets, suffer all the health problems that plague humans eating SAD - no coincidence)

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General Discussion / Re: teeth and hunting
« on: August 02, 2009, 01:01:40 pm »
I don't know what you "very little carb" guys are doing to yourselves, but it could range from disasterous long-term ruination of your health or perhaps you will end up about the same as SAD diet.
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Unfortunactely you have no evidence to bak this up. Yet plenty supports no negatives from doing it.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Water in a raw ZC diet
« on: August 02, 2009, 12:47:09 pm »
I drink a normal amount. Maybe a bit less because I am not thirsty between meals.

Where was that said about the Inuit?

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General Discussion / Re: teeth and hunting
« on: August 01, 2009, 02:46:39 pm »
meat doesn't need to be chewed. Fangs are merely a weapon not part of the digestive process. The structure of our teeth and how to maintain them is the however same as cats and dogs.

the digestive system is longer than a cats but not nearly as long as a herbivore. The digestive system of a human and a cat is virtually the same. A throat, one stomach and intestines. Like carnivores human digestion takes place in the small intestine with the large intestine remaining largely inactive.

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General Discussion / Re: Man the Scavenger like a Vulture?
« on: August 01, 2009, 10:26:48 am »
Certainly the idea of 'survival of the fittest' no longer exists with humans, everyone is given a chance.

But can genetics change once one is born? If someone is born unadapted to modern foods for example then these genetics are passed on to the next generation who would also then be unadapted to the foods. The exposure to the foods after their genetics/DNA has been determined doesn't help future generations. There would need to be a group of people with just a lucky set of genes/DNA that made them better adapted to these foods, and for them to reproduce more while standard people reproduce less. Man's DNA is the same as it was 10, 000 years ago. We are virtually just as unadapted to modern foods as the first people who ever ate them, perhaps a bit of natural selection but since agriculture emerged very little. Any type of natural selection has probably been more related to wealth than health, and today virtually none.

Is it evolution if nothing is changing?

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General Discussion / Re: Man the Scavenger like a Vulture?
« on: July 30, 2009, 11:07:30 am »
All living things are constantly evolving.

What do you mean by evolving? Man's DNA is not changing. And evolution is just a theory at this point?

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General Discussion / Re: Natural Eyesight Improvement
« on: July 30, 2009, 11:00:25 am »
99.999% of people in the world don't use the Bates method, so when they do close reading it does damage their vision if they are prone to myopia. I agree that the Bates method sounds good and plan to try it myself, but my statement was correct for all practical purposes, so let's not pick nits please.

I think that's a bit of a stretch to say 99.999% of people don't use the bates method. The bates method is meant to teach you to develop good habits. Many people don't need to do the bates method because they already have good vision/eye habits so reading close shouldn't damage their eyesight. Eyesight degeneration from poor diet for example is probably misdiagnosed as being caused by reading close.

If it's vision habits causing vision loss I tend to think that vision loss wouldn't slowly degenerate but the effect be immediate. Meaning that if you have perfect vision then your eye muscles must be working properly so vision loss must be a result of poor nutrition. But then again not many people probably have perfect vision, and just how 'bad' do your habits have to be to cause vision to degenerate? Though why did less than 2% of the traditional Inuit have even any detectable Myopia? Yet now myopia is far greater in Inuit 30 years or younger than the elderly Inuit. And as discussed by Bates in the book, traditional people did lots of close work with art, tools, pottery etc and these people obviously did not study the Bates method.

I have decent vision, but very bad  near vision habits, but it's not causing a slow degeneration in vision (yet?). If I have to stare at something very close for a long time my distance vision becomes significantly worse immediately, but after a night's sleep returns to normal.

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General Discussion / Re: Natural Eyesight Improvement
« on: July 29, 2009, 12:17:58 pm »
I don't think that close reading per se would damage vision, rather the poor habits people have when they look close that causes bad vision. I think it's plausible that proper diet can lead to better functioning of the eye muscles and achieve relaxation of some sort without even trying.

You can confirm the idea behind the bates method yourself. Control the muscles around the eye manually by pushing the skin on the outer of your eye (around the ridge of your eye socket) with your finger to elongate and flatten the surface of the eyeball and your vision will become immediately sharper with more distinct colours.

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General Discussion / Re: Natural Eyesight Improvement
« on: July 29, 2009, 10:44:26 am »
I've read the bates method, but I still don't seem to be able to apply it habitually, and some techniques I am still confused regarding how to even apply them at all. I have noticed an improvement in eyesight at times when trying the bates method though I have also noticed better eyesight as a result from RAF + fasting so it seems there is definitely more to eyesight improvement than muscle relaxation as discussed in the book. I do know that prominent Bates practitioners now emphasize that diet is an important complement to the bates method.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: RAF quality
« on: July 29, 2009, 07:54:47 am »
There are times when it is worth the trip.
May as well travel to where your meat is fed and slaughtered to see how they go about their business.

Eventually I will travel to a farm to get grass fed meat straight from the source, but it's a bit inconvenient at the moment. Need a portable freezer amongst other things first.

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General Discussion / Re: cavities
« on: July 29, 2009, 07:51:22 am »
This forum is a joke.

Then fuck off?

k thx

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: RAF quality
« on: July 28, 2009, 09:27:19 pm »
Are you sure invisible? I can get grassfed quite easily but I also eat ordinary mince from the butcher because meat here is grass fed and grain finished so not to bad.

things like beef organs, suet, high fat ground beef I can't get. The cuts with more fat that are available like scotch fillet or porterhouse are very expensive. 'Organic' meat in Australia is legally meant to be grass fed I think, but I am skeptical. I have eaten just regular meat raw sometimes but I thought that a cow finished on grain removes any benefit of eating grass, so much that is practically the same as eating a cow which has always eaten grass.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: RAF quality
« on: July 28, 2009, 09:23:41 am »
yes I wish Australia had an equivalent of Slankers  >:

I can get grass fed meats but only a limited selection and more expensive. I could travel to a farm but that is quite inconvenient.

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General Discussion / Re: bowel movements
« on: July 24, 2009, 03:35:29 pm »
If I'm eating zero carb and not eating excess calories I may only go once a week. If I am eating zero carb but eating alot I will go more often. I had a carb and junk food gorge last weekend and was going 15 times over 2 day period with horrible diarrhea, burning and even blood....

I actually feel that the less you go the better as long as when you do go it is easy, clean, firm and with little dour.

Feces is made of undigested food and bacteria in the colon...the less the better.

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ban the idiotic troll

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if you are seriously concerned I would advise you to go zero carb but lower your overall calories. I don't think just adding fruit to the rest of your diet will do anything but you'll find out I guess.

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