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General Discussion / Re: Becoming More Mainstream - Alicia Silverstone
« on: November 04, 2009, 06:33:49 pm »
In the UK, they've found evidence of fencing for animal herding that dates back 30,000 years. I suspect that animal agriculture occurred before grain agriculture did. This makes sense to me because the practice of following wild herds as they migrate was probably the first activity we did as hunters. Driving animals during the hunt is another pre-herding behavior. Eventually someone figured out that if you build a simple fencing system and herd animals into it, that they are thus captive and then it's like shooting fish in a barrel.

It makes sense.  Having so many animals herded up, we probably started farming (grain/cereal grasses) just to feed the herd of captive animals.  After a while, for one reason or another we probably started copying those animals by eating grain too.  The men may have still gone out and hunted, but women staying home with children probably ate more grain.  The little girls may have matured extra early by ingesting grain, which could have helped populations grow, which may have been seen as an advantage to get the group who did this more populous faster than the neighbors' bands. Plausible in my book.

UK, huh?  Earlier than other continents?  This may lead to a path to many other things.

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General Discussion / Re: Pastured poultry
« on: November 04, 2009, 06:17:08 pm »
I have yet to find a genuine source of UK-based 100% pastured fowl. Almost all fowl in the UK is raised on a 100% grain-filled diet, with a few, like some geese, raised partially on a grass-fed diet.  It's always explained that, in order to lay enough eggs per season, even the geese must be fed some  grains.

When women eat grain, their monthly periods eventually become heavy and closer together, say every twenty-one to twenty-six days rather than the normal every twenty-eight to thirty-five days and for five to nine days at a time rather than one to two days at a time.  I can see grain in humans causing more eggs, more frequently and earlier earlier in the cycle, yet dwindling off shortly after, say age thirty rather than say fifty-five and needing to have the affected improperly nourished parts removed.

I would think it's the same in chickens.  They want eggs fast, then as for the bird being fully healthy to an old age, they could care less.

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Noun   1.   gizzard - thick-walled muscular pouch below the crop in many birds and reptiles for grinding food
"gastric mill", ventriculus

Chickens are omnivores.  I've had chickens, and they will eat Anything.  They especially like chasing after small and moving critters.

So, chicken Can eat grain.  To digest grain, they need to ingest grit, sand or pebbles.  I think this confuses chicken raisers to give then grain as grit.  I don't think it's necessary.  I could be wrong.  I'll come back to this thread when I know more.

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Hot Topics / Re: Are we meat eaters or vegetarians ?
« on: November 04, 2009, 12:09:08 am »
Yes, gathering, hunting or fishing are fun in nice biotopes. Agriculture is (hard) work in dull landscapes :)

Yes :) also I think hunting would be better for good eyesight health than farming.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hello Hello!
« on: November 04, 2009, 12:04:27 am »
Great to have you with us! :)

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Health / Re: edema
« on: November 03, 2009, 05:59:08 am »
Maybe a good massage using ghee (clarified butter) or virgin coconut oil will do you good as well for circulation.

    It is recommended against massaging the part affected by the edema (the ankles in this case), while they are swollen.  On a day they are swollen, get enough rest that night and when in bed put pillow or wedge under legs to elevate them.  If you work by night and sleep by day, just prop your legs up whatever time it is you're in bed, I don't think whether it's light or dark out matters.

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Journals / Re: My merge with Raw Paleo
« on: November 02, 2009, 08:36:41 pm »
I go both ways.  But then the inuit had plenty of fat.  The plains indians could selectively kill older fat buffalo, and eat all the marrow, tongue, brains, kidney fat that they would have in every animal.  There weren't other sources of carbs out on the plains.  It is the indians living in the woods where buffalo didn't roam that I wonder about.  Deer, for instance usually don't have much fat on them.  But then again, there aren't too many carbs in the woods year around.  People do mention dried acorns and berries, and some roots.  But for roots, they had to be cooked.  So how did they exist before fire/cooking?

    Maybe they drank the animals' blood when they killed it.  Blood is supposed to have a high concentration of Vitamin D, which has fat I believe.  Blood doesn't seem to have fat to me, but it must.  Wild animals in cold weather may have a lot more fat in their blood.  Maybe they wouldn't have to drink it all right away.  Another link I found on the forum here said blood can be allowed to dry in bowls and then eaten.

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Hot Topics / Re: Are we meat eaters or vegetarians ?
« on: November 02, 2009, 08:12:25 pm »
I read this thread with great interest and it seems to me there are various forms of intelligence and intelligence is obviously not just a matter of diet but also for instance depends on the challenges we have to face.

 But isn't it ironic that 10000 years or so later we in this forum must acknowledge that in many respect, in particular diet, HG's way of life was by far more "intelligent" that the agriculturist's one ?

While vegetarian, part of the time most of what I ate was what I gathered and foraged.  I liked that, plus it made sense.  I still haven't hunted.  It would be great to have a hunting party, I guess.

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Journals / Re: A day in the life of TylerDurden
« on: November 02, 2009, 06:51:08 pm »
Same happened with the detoxes I had in the first 2-3 years of the diet, they would just occur randomly without warning every 2 to 4 months(the only exception was the first time I used edible clay when a detox happened almost immediately after).

    Which clays did you use, and how did you use them?  Some are raw, some not, etc.

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Hot Topics / Re: Are we meat eaters or vegetarians ?
« on: November 02, 2009, 12:30:34 pm »
If he's not eating inflammatory foods like milk and wheat he will grow up to be good looking too because he will be a nose breather and his face will grow wide and healthy.

    True store bought milk will do that, and does it to people all the time.

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Off Topic / Re: Furniture
« on: November 02, 2009, 12:00:57 pm »
so I recently moved a few months ago and so far have a bed in the bedroom and another room with a desk, chair, and bookcase. the living room and connecting dining room are completely empty except for a lamp, and my dog and I use this space for indoor soccer on rainy days/dark evenings. I think it's far more fun than the conventional, though I'm not sure what my mom is going to think when she visits at the holidays, lol.

Your thoughts on furnishings?

    I've pretty much always preferred to sit and sleep on the floor (no carpet).  Thanks for bringing this up.  It's a good way to help establish health and just feels right. 

    Hopefully your mom will like running around playing indoor soccer with your dog!  After a time, my mom liked sleeping on the floor better than me.  Incredible, as she used to scold me for it.  She always made sure there were nice linens, etc, but a floor just seemed better to me.
   

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin Spike last thing
« on: November 02, 2009, 09:54:16 am »
Correct me if I am wrong if I eat something high in sugar say honey and eat some fat with it, Should I still get a insulin spike? Fat lowers the gi load right?

    My feeling is (raw) fat with a little (unheated) honey, is better than (raw) honey with some fat.  I eat the first way, my kid presently the latter.  The fats are good in the latter, but I still prefer the former.

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Journals / Re: PaleoPhil's Journal
« on: November 02, 2009, 09:38:42 am »
Here's a sample daily menu, have I got the figures right?

Moderately active
159 lbs         
2560 calories/day according to http://nutrition.bizcalcs.com/Calculator.asp?Calc=Daily-Metabolism

breakfast/lunch   
1/4 lb   bison 164 calories   
.09 lb   GF beef suet   335 cals.
tap water   
         
Supper   
1 lb           bison   656 calories
.35 lb   GF beef suet   1341 cals.
2 oz         chicken liver or high meat 64 cals.
nonsparkling mineral water
         
Occasional snacks/dessert/variety:
beef jerky with tallow      
occasional raw eggs, venison, sashimi, wild clams, etc.

    Thank you.  Cool seeing a day's menu.  I think of going ZC, but this makes me feel like I have a better picture of what I may eat.

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General Discussion / Re: Becoming More Mainstream - Alicia Silverstone
« on: November 02, 2009, 07:06:30 am »
    I think sarma melngailis and carol alt eat raw meat.

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General Discussion / Re: RAF seems unnerving to mother.
« on: November 02, 2009, 07:00:27 am »
This is the first time I am working somewhere with a 'break room' that people actually contribute to daily. I'm used to the coffee, tea, and water, but this is crazy!, even for SAD!  I can smell the sugar from around the corner!... especially on holidays, you wouldn't believe it! You name it, it's in there!

    I'd believe it.  When I was getting diagnose with lupus, I munched on things like bags of organic raw spinach in breakroom, while another lady who had no physical deficit claimed she has "stomach lupus" and was bringing in homemade white flour white sugar cookies, eating commercial junk brand chocolate, commercial whitebread/commercial cooked ham sandwiches and drinking coffee claiming her diet had nothing to do with the state of her health and she would snidely ask me if I was just trying to live forever.  She did eventually apologize to me for lots of comments like that (in case you don't know cooked protein of just about any kind including flour causes problems for most "lupies").

    Getting back to mother topic, when I started eating raw meat, although the raw part seemed strange to my Mother, she was ever so grateful "I came to my senses" and started eating meat.

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Hot Topics / Re: Are we meat eaters or vegetarians ?
« on: November 02, 2009, 06:48:45 am »
Your standards for evidence on this one are higher than mine. Scientific standards, such as a sufficiently large random sample of RPDer children showing IQs one or more standard deviations above the mean would be sufficient evidence for me, especially in the context of a scientific model that explains how it could happen and predicts the general result of higher IQs. In the meantime, Michael's son and two of my nephews are all I've got (unless Jared Diamond or someone else provides more evidence), so I'll be keeping my eye on them. Unfortunately, my nephews weren't Paleo from conception and they haven't tried RPD yet, so they're of less potential anecdotal value than Michael's son, but their diets are superior to the SAD, so I think they'll turn out with higher than avg IQs, but maybe not 140 or more.

    My family are hardly RPD'ers, most eat thoroughly cooked store bought meat and vegetables from what I see.  We have geniuses among these.  So I don't think it's necessary to eat raw paleo to be genius, but I do think clearer eating RAF than not eating it.  Also, being vegan, I know this may sound strange and may not have been what was happening to it, but I felt like my brain was shrinking a little.  I do not feel that now, I feel better.

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Health / Re: edema
« on: November 02, 2009, 06:37:26 am »
If I get a cramp, I find that eating raw meat quickly resolves it. Potassium supplements work even faster (I also chewed them to speed up the absorption--warning: they're salty tasting), but I know they're frowned upon here and I also try to avoid them where possible.  Bananas never worked for me, interestingly.

    Bananas never helped me with anything either.  Raw meat resolves pain for me, not sure about cramps.  It resolves what I can only describe as nitrogen bubble type pains.  It resolves them fast.  Also, I think it is true, that some edemas can be from protein deficiency, and raw meat delivers the best protein to me and it already comes with all the right forms of the right combination of nutrients to assist it helping me.  I was a little swollen for a couple of years, and when I started eating (R)AF it resolved in a couple of weeks, but occasionally it happens again now (when I go off diet).

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Weaning
« on: November 01, 2009, 10:43:12 pm »
Recipe for Living without Disease

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UNHEATED HONEY contains an insulin-like substance that is
produced by bees when collecting nectar. .... That honey
is wonderful for infants, fed in small amounts at a time.

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Infant Immune Booster
8 Servings
1 cup organic raw liver
...
2 raw eggs
1/4 teaspoon unheated honey
Cut liver into small chunks. .... Squeeze pouch to speed
straining. Use nipple with large hole.

Copyright 2005 Aajonus Vonderplanitz, All Rights Reserved

I've seen new babies fed on his formulas, beautiful healthy babies looking and responding like breastfed ones.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Weaning
« on: November 01, 2009, 10:28:31 pm »
Do infants know intuitively not to eat raw honey or is the risk eliminated by a healthy system produced by RPD eating from conception? Wouldn't it be better to be on the safe side in this case and not let even an Instincto-dieting infant eat raw honey?

    Doesn't av give all babies unheated honey?  My Mom gave me honey as a newborn, if I'm not mistaken, and I didn't get botulism nor colic, and never got pneumonia as a child nor flu nor the childhood diseases nor pollen allergies.  I was healthy till they gave me milk and cookies in school.  I believe cooked honey causes botulism.  Honey is delicate.  It should never be warmed above about ninety-five degrees fahrenheit.  I didn't give mine honey, as I was vegetarian at the time.

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General Discussion / Re: Raw eggs: whites and yolks.
« on: November 01, 2009, 10:20:57 pm »
Yes, but the chicks eat the whites, so they're not toxic like bean and nut and seed shells, especially when fertilized. Tyler has explained numerous times that fertilizing the eggs neutralizes the avidin in the whites, and he provided a supporting link, as I recall.

Keep in mind also, that once the chick eats the egg white, it essentially becomes part of the chick again at that point (I doubt it excretes it all)

    Chicks, being live omnivorous animals are more nourishing/assimilable to us than sprouts of course, but there's a lot I could say about sprouting that points out how the newly growing sproutlings are healthier for people than most unsprouted seeds.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Weaning
« on: November 01, 2009, 08:34:07 pm »
That's interesting William.  I do seem to recall that liver was one of the foods that some African women would pre-chew prior to feeding it to infants.

    With the carbs that are in liver, pre-chewing would likely reduce those, no?

    Cooked liver turns green colored on the surface almost like the Statue of Liberty, if it sits out a couple hours.  I've had raw liver for months.  Mine has never turned green yet.  I wonder if it's like av's study with the dogs, himself, swordfish and mercury he wrote up in a newsletter of his a couple of years ago.

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    Cooked meat just closes my throat up before it can go to my stomach.  Meat has to be raw for me.  I had to drink tons when I was a kid, between bites, trying to get the meat down my throat.  It wasn't food; because it didn't do anything good for me.

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General Discussion / Re: Raw eggs: whites and yolks.
« on: November 01, 2009, 02:35:41 pm »
I wonder what is different about raw, fertilized eggs that would make them harder to digest than raw meats?

    I think the white surrounds the yolk and chick to protect it so the next generation can live, similarly to how bean and nut peels  protect the seed so it can sprout.  There are enzyme blockers in both.

    We'd probably be healthier eating chicks than eggs, rather like a sproutarian is usually healthier than a nutarian.

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Suggestion Box / Re: More additions
« on: November 01, 2009, 12:46:21 pm »
    When I was on whole vegan foods, my skin's dry and oiliness was very uneven and I had to use a lot of (natural) lotion to make it normal each day and usually several times per day.  If I stick to my present diet, so far haven't needed any kind of lotion, cream or gloss.

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General Discussion / Re: RAF seems unnerving to mother.
« on: November 01, 2009, 12:41:59 pm »
    Eating whole plant foods my skin was good.  Eating Living Food LifestyleTM took care of the rest of the blackheads (as eating cooked paleo or cooked non whole plant made my skin bad).  Switching to high fat RAF my skin is not only clear, but plump and elastic like a small child.

    I was allergic to acne meds Px or otherwise.

    I found that artichoke spaghetti by DeBoles was much better for people with asthma than regular, organic, durum, whole wheat etc.  As long as much of the flour was non grain, it was better.

    Spinach flour could be worse.  See AV's writings.  Cooked green or yellow vegetables can make colored mucus and infection.  See for yourself. I have found truth in that.  Some acne has green or yellow puss, so this can be important.

    Cooked tomato combined with cooked wheat can help cause skin rashes, digestive problems, arthritis, brain allergies etc. 

    Other nightshades can make joint problems too.  Anne Marie Colbin's Food and Healing, 1986 she suspected nightshades cause cancer.  It was a good book.  I learned some things from it I still use.

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