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General Discussion / Re: Mental/Emotional/Moral Transition
« on: May 11, 2009, 05:41:46 pm »
rather interestingly enough I never had a "transition" period. I simply got a plate of 2 pounds of raw meat, ate it and enjoyed it. I was pretty convinced that raw meat was what I should be eating even before I tried it though so I was actually looking forward to trying it. Regarding bacteria I never really feared it, was more curious if anything whether I would get sick or not.

On that note maybe you should just dive right in. Maybe spend a bit more money at the start by buying the better more flavored cuts of meat when you first start. Porterhouse steak is my favourite, but now I can eat any cut of meat and enjoy the flavour.

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General Discussion / Re: fats and cuts of meat
« on: May 11, 2009, 05:31:52 pm »
The Bear said and I have seen others also say that once it's 40 celsius or 104 fahrenheit it's no longer raw

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General Discussion / Re: fats and cuts of meat
« on: May 10, 2009, 09:41:00 pm »
No, cooking at lower temperatures is not the same as raw - not even close.

We don't wash the outside to kill bacteria for the following reason - the bacteria is not harmful, rather it is beneficial.

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Hot Topics / Re: Animal Medicine Issue
« on: May 10, 2009, 06:38:39 pm »
Regarding sunburn, also being from Australia I spent every weekend getting burnt red raw growing up. My skin already has some significant sun damage but rubbing raw meat/fat (not melted fat, or oils) has helped it. After seeing the improvement in my skin from rubbing raw meat on it, I have a theory that if you eat nothing but raw meat then not brushing your teeth could really help gum health from the raw meat getting on the gums!

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General Discussion / Re: Opinions on Lamb / Sheep Meat
« on: May 08, 2009, 11:58:37 am »
i eat alot of lamb because ground lamb is the cheapest source of grass fed organic red meat I can find, and because the fat content of ground lamb is around 70% or more which works well since I can't get any suet at the moment. I do prefer the taste of beef though.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: May 06, 2009, 12:51:04 pm »
My very simple goal is to look good enough to be attractive to the chicks. He he he. 
Any recommendations?

If it's a bodybuilders physique you are after unless you are a professional bodybuilder, these general guildines work for basic goals. Lift, eat, sleep.

Lift heavy weights - bicep curls, squats, cable pull downs, bench press, crunches

Eat - If you want to gain muscle eat a bit more than you burn. If you want to cut fat, eat a bit less than you burn. So once you reach the size you want, just eat maintenance calories.

Sleep alot.

Invisible, you seem incredibly wise for a 20 year old!

Thanks mate. I've done lot's of reading, and practice on myself in regards to diet.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: May 06, 2009, 07:52:13 am »
I agree that paleo man did do such exercises as you described. But these exercises aren't actually going to build huge physiques. Carrying a man on your back, carrying meat, running with a spear is not that difficult to do, but to do it over long distances is - but this type of exercise doesn't build bodybuilding physiques like extremely intense short burst muscle hypertrophy exercises do. Paleo man did exercises that combined the anaerobic and aerobic systems. Climbing up a cliff was probably done at times, but very rarely - not done every second day like a training regime. Wrestling can give you a fit muscular build, but wrestling alone won't achieve a bodybuilder type physique (when i say bodybuilders physique i don't particularly mean size, i mean body fat/muscle proportion).

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: May 05, 2009, 12:11:06 pm »
I like to do handstand pushups, pullups, inverted pullups, snatches (lifting a weighted bar from the ground to above your head), weighted lunges, qutie a bit of work with dumbells (usually w/o a bench), and twirling a metal pipe like a bow staff.  These all seem to be functional and natural exercises that mimick things we might do in a paleo sense.  In addition I do incline press and squats (for the hypertrophic response) and bicep curls to get bigger arms -- yes, I know this is somewhat vain, but... 

when or if paleo man did these exercises such as lifting things, I doubt they did them how bodybuilders do them today. I don't think they would have done sets of a few reps until they reach complete failure. Even natural exercises such as body weight exercises can be adjusted to be done unnaturally.

They would have lifted things they could lift, not with ease, but without absolutely exhausting themselves, or they would lift things working together. They did exercise that maintained a functional well developed lean physique but did not do things that would stimulate a constant increase in muscle size.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: May 05, 2009, 11:55:45 am »
That's true that it makes you seem more 'credible' to the lay person, but they aren't basing credibility on anything that in reality is credible. Having a muscular physique does not mean you are healthy, nor does it require a healthy diet to achieve.

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Off Topic / Re: who knows you eat this way?
« on: May 03, 2009, 07:37:09 pm »
I don't talk about it to anyone I know really. Being 20 years old all my friends eat SAD, high carb cooked italian and asian foods etc. None of my friends really have any immediate health concerns so wouldn't understand, plus people around me would not accept it for health reasons either since all they know of nutrition is what is in the mainstream media. Also hanging out with friends always involves food - going out to lunch, watching tv while snacking on chips, going out to bars - it would be hard for young people to just give up common foods. When I'm older I won't promote it but won't hide it. At the moment if I'm out I'll just eat junk not because I want to, it's just easier. The only other alternative is really to have zero social life.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: May 03, 2009, 11:41:45 am »
I tend to think that paleo man had developed muscles, was light and defined but was not shredded or ripped. Even those pictures of David Diaz and Manny Pacquiao don't look that natural to me. Today most modern sportsmen do bicep curls, squats, bench pressing and other exercises primarily aimed at producing muscle hypertrophy as part of their training. Bodybuilders do these exercises combined with overly excessive calorie diets and sometimes supplements which gives them enormous size. Sprinting, wrestling, throwing and construction type work was probably the type of anaerobic exercise paleo man did. I don't think they did exercises like modern weight lifting where you reach the absolute maximum of your anaerobic threshold. Despite creating good looking physiques these exercises could be damaging imo. I do lift weights on and off, but honestly I only lift weight to try and look good as vain as that may sound.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Insulin, Growth Hormone, bulking
« on: May 02, 2009, 09:43:28 pm »
one has to remember that an extreme amount of muscle mass with very low bodyfat is neither paleo, nor healthy. Once developing a certain amount of muscle carb loading and boosting insulin might be needed to break a 'plateau' so to speak, but this doesn't mean it's actually beneficial to anything except bigorexics. That being said, I have lifted weights and made gains fairly fine on zero carb.

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Raw Weston Price / Re: Baldness American indians
« on: April 23, 2009, 08:16:55 pm »
Something else I forgot to mention regarding hairloss and poor health is that stress and toxicity, which are also causes of ill health are known to cause hairloss and not just shedding but MPB. Example; a course of accutane beyond doubt initiated male pattern baldness while I was still a teenager. It still angers me that I took that stuff and lost so much hair.

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I haven't noticed much difference. My sex drive is more tied to my emotional state

This, but my emotional state is tied with diet for sure.

I noticed highest sex drive while on a standard high carb/processed diet. Unhealthily high though. It probably would have burn out and plumetted to rock bottom in a decade or two which is quite common with people today.

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wow it says they consumed 9 pounds of meat per day.

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General Discussion / Re: Healing Scars?
« on: April 21, 2009, 09:00:20 am »
I rendered some pork fat in a frying pan, and use it as skin moisturizer, and hair tonic.  It's light, has a quickly dimishing pleasant odor of bacon, and has caused some age spots to lighten and dissapear.

I tried that before and it did not help honestly. I would advise not to heat the meat.

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regarding fat in the diet. During paleo times the whole animal was eaten - the muscles, marbling, suet, fat, marrow, organs. It is totally inaccurate to compare the separable lean muscle tissue of grass fed animals to feedlot beef and deduct that paleo had less fat. They had access to MUCH more fat.

Look at the diet of carnivores today. Wild animals like buffalo, zebra, elephants even deer have plenty of fat when the whole animal is eaten and eaten raw.

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Cordain is using "paleo" as a marketing tool to promote a standard low fat plant based diet by the looks of things.

A paleo diet is a high fat raw animal food based diet. Small ammounts of plants are optional. The fact that plants existed in paleo times does not mean that unlimited quantity of plants in the diet is still paleo. Lions are surrounded entirely by plants - they do not eat them though. Very little plants were eaten by paleo man I think. "Lean" meat is cringe worthy to read. If they are going to promote paleo have some guts. Don't just put "Lean" in there to sell books. Paleo man ate fat.

The truth that humans are evolutionary carnivores is likely never going to be promoted in books or the media. It's not profitable.

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General Discussion / Re: Healing Scars?
« on: April 20, 2009, 09:26:25 am »
I just got meat and rubbed it all over the skin as if I was using it as some type of srubbing brush and just left the grease/bits of meat that came off on the skin. Maybe gently place a steak on the skin if its still a wound.

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Running and crapping
« on: April 18, 2009, 04:55:54 pm »
probably the exercise shuts down digestion as blood is sent to the muscles and not the digestive organs. Exercise naturally occurs before eating (hunting) while the stomach is empty not afterwards when the stomach has food in it.

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I agree Lex. But when I read the term "accelerated aging" I think of both nearing death and also degeneration, loss of both quantity and quality of life.

True, since aging is the one true disease, all degenerative diseases are symptons of accelerated aging. It's impossible to be free from degenerative disease on a zero carb diet but suffer accelerated aging since aging biomarkers in the body such as insulin levels, blood sugar levels, leptin levels are also very responsible for degenerative disease. A zero carb diet typically lowers all aging biomakers.

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I think the only source for this myth is that last paragraph in the Steffanson "adventures in diet". Im yet to see any other source. Although Steffanson did say that some eskimo tribes did leave to over 90 years in other writings if I recall correctly. Maybe Steffanson was pressured into closing with something negative about the diet, as he had spent the entire writing talking about the benefits of zero carb and complete freedom from disease and then closes saying that there while you can live off meat "there is no reason why you would want to". It seemed a strange way to finish to me.

From the few pictures of traditional inuit they certainly don't look to have "accelerated aging".

If you consider this - regardless of what the actual lifespan of the eksimo was on zero carb diet, adding carbohydrates to their diet has without questions shortened their lifespan. From a scientific standpoint raw animal fat is the least aging food one can eat.

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General Discussion / Re: Healing Scars?
« on: April 14, 2009, 11:13:04 am »
Try putting raw meat on it. I think in AV's books he mentions something about that.

When I read your post it sounded like it might work so I tried it over the last few days and I can already see some results. Looks to be promising.

I've tried things such as coconut oil, bio oil in the past and they didn't help at all.

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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: Glucose / Fructose
« on: April 10, 2009, 03:51:52 pm »
Even if limited ammounts of plant food were available, does this mean it was actually eaten? I don't really buy the idea that plants were eaten seasonally when meat was scarce. When meat would be scarce, likely plants were even scarcer - even if they weren't I don't think it is important. Humans were also excellent hunters so if any animals were eating meat, it would be humans. Lions are known to eat some plants when facing starvation, but the fact that they do does not mean that they should continue to do so if meat is available. In fact I have read of lions in captivity living on vegetarian diets for years. Whether humans did eat plants seasonally when meat was scarce does not mean that we should choose to eat plants if given the option.

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General Discussion / Re: How often do you eat zero carbs?
« on: April 08, 2009, 02:07:45 pm »
Lex, if I may amend that statement, our bodies don't need to consume any carbs. We need carbs, but these can be easily made from any other energy containing food molecule we eat.

We need glucose, not carbs per se.

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