Im curious about your total daily macro intake norawnofun? This is an impressive number of calories from dairy alone. What else do you eat and how often do you train?

Since I eat a lot of raw dairy and find it very important for my wellbeing, I started to look at the calcium issue that you posted in this link. http://www.4.waisays.com/ExcessiveCalcium.htm It is indeed very interesting. Then I had a look at the recommended daily calcium intake, which seems to be 1000-1200mg per day, which equals around a liter of raw milk per day http://www.raw-milk-facts.com/calcium.html.

Whenever I am abroad I drink a liter of raw cows milk from (IMO) predominantly older A2 breeds with every meat meal, which means 2-3 times a day. Sometimes I drink more in between. To each meal I eat around 250 grams of raw cheese. So to summarize I have 3 liters of milk, plus 750g of cheese. So my daily calcium intake is 1200mgx3 + another lets say 1200x3 from the cheese. = 7200mg daily intake. When I am at home, I have less goat dairy but it seems that the calcium content is higher, so i might have a similar intake. Considering the fact that milk has vitamin D in it, the absorption should be ok. Then comes the calcium to phosphorus ratio (Ca/P), cows milk seems to be slightly higher than goat http://nutritionwonderland.com/2009/05/is-milk-good-sheep-milk-dairy/. More on that below. Either way, thinking about it I have a extremely high daily calcium intake, so I thought if I should be concerned. But then I had a look at this:

https://www.atkins.com/how-it-works/library/articles/calcium-protein-strong-bones

And here https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/nutritionsource/what-should-you-eat/calcium-and-milk/calcium-full-story/

I found quite some people which do a carnivore diet and eat/drink lots of raw dairy, and it seems to do them very well, like me. They heal all kinds of things. Now when looking at the above one could possibly conclude that a carnivore diet, which consists of a very high intake of animal protein, needs a very good amount of calcium to counterbalance the calcium excretion by eating a good amount of raw dairy or animal foods high in calcium.

So basically one could think that a high raw dairy intake on carnivore is no problem, but it is a problem when you eat a normal low animal protein diet, like many "normal" people do, as the general consent is that animal protein is unhealthy and vegetables, whole grains and fruit are better. Then you might be in trouble. None of the links posted from some of you take a high animal protein diet such as carnivore into account. So then it´s normal that many westerners drink lots of milk, but then have big issues like osteoporosis later, because of low meat consuption, as I think that vegetables are useless for calcium intake.

And if you now say that there is no different between raw milk and pasteurized milk in terms of (Ca/P) ratio and absorption, I recommend looking into this study: http://www.jbc.org/content/79/1/283.full.pdf There are, for example, HUGE differences between dried and raw milk. I also noticed that when I eat pasteurized joghurt, my bones sometimes crack, and I get tartar. So there is no way that somebody can tell me that raw milk and heat-treated milk is the same. So all these amazing studies showing how bad milk can in my optinion, be thrown in the trash!

Curious if you tried mineral water again or if you are sticking with other RO or distilled sources?

PaganGoy, do you drink blood instead of eating a meal, or do you have blood as a beverage with a meal?

+1 Sabre you would be a youtube celeb, and in time make enough income to rely only on the videos alone!

Bumping this here, anyone with more recent experiences? Have a source for fresh royal jelly that is quite affordable. Have never tried it.

I'm still glad that I eat plenty of it though for  whatever else besides vitamin C it contains. My main hopes of raw thymus is that it will have a positive effect on aging. Only young animals have normal thymuses. By the time you're my age it has supposedly degenerated by more than 90%. I strongly suspect that the thymus I buy comes from calves and not mature cows for the very same reason.

One more thought - if longevity and youth is the goal, shouldn't adrenals be on the menu? They are the source of DHEA, and this is the hormone that seems to be most robust in long lived populations. I have not tried adrenals yet, you can buy bison adrenal at north star online.

I use plastic. I am not so fussed for the 30 minutes this takes. On balance our diets and lifestyle are so healthy we are certainly resilient to what must be negligible (if any!) harm from this. I suppose you could drop your meat directly into water - I have had meat escape bags before and effectively done this by accident, was fine after drying off.

Gerolsteiner is hands down the best water.

I enjoy Gerolsteiner but have abstained for the past few weeks. I used to get a bit of stomach cramp on occasion, perhaps from the carbonic acid? I'm not sure. It was unclear to me if the carbon dioxide would contribute to intestinal permeability. I must admit I "miss" the water, I am otherwise absent cravings but do think of drinking this again one day.

I suppose I also questioned whether it was ancestrally suitable as I'm trying to live like a caveman ;-)

Good conversation. I am enjoying the fat and meat with some age on them. Both are in a fridge at 3c, so neither are fermenting. But, some of the fat from certain sources tastes better fresh, others taste better with a week of age. I will continue to experiment. I do find the fat must be a large solid block with no aeration as a  mishmash of suet pieces fails as it dries out, where as a large block of fat is aging quite nicely.

I think locally sourced spring would be the best, considering the locality of the water. If it´s somewhere close to towns or cities you might need to be aware and test it. Petrol stations for instance can leech fuel into the groundwater. And as tyler said, I´d stay away from distilled, same as RO, that takes away minerals. First I used a water filter from brita, then I bought tons of plastic mineral water and glass mineral water, and now I changed to a water filter from berkey. I got fed up with buying all these plastic bottles and generating huge amounts of waste and all this carrying around pissed me off, then you have the storage space, plus the plastic has so many chemicals in it, no thanks. I think glass mineral water is the 2nd best option, but since that became too expensive I went for a berkey. I also overconsumed on mineral water, to the extend that when I sometimes drink them I get bloated, which I find very strange. I guess too many minerals for an extended period of time wasn´t the best choice. Could have also been the plastic bottles, no idea. But I have no issue with plastic table water (man made water). So can´t really be the plastic there.

Thanks. I will try to source decent spring water in glass. With respect to mineral water, I really like Gerolsteiner and it has loads of bicarbonates and magnesium etc. I just don’t know if it’s natural to have carbonated water as a mainstay. The carbonic acid is naturally formed but our ancestors would not likely use this type of water as a main source! I sometimes let it go flat, but another thing I notice with mineral water is it may throw my electrolytes off which seem in perfect balance with raw meat and flat water.

I eat brain for fatty acids. Not all cultures developed with access to seafood or in coastal locations. For many, including myself, seafood is suboptimal for health. Paleomedicina carnivourous diet excludes seafood as well.

What is the consensus here on the best water source to accompany our meat?

Distilled?

Mineral?

Spring?

RO?

I don't have access to a local spring, so need to buy in bottles.

There are claims for and against Distilled, RO, and mineral. I don't see anyone objecting to Spring.

What do you drink?