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I have a damaged pancreas from severe alcohol addiction in the past. I have been sober 7 years, but the damage is permanent. I make too much insulin. If I eat carbs in any amount (other than the few in eggs), or if I eat too much protein I become hypoglycemic 2-3 hours later and have severe pains that mimic pancreatitis. Also, I cannot consume beef or some sources of venison because the particular amino acid profiles cause insulin spikes as well.

So, my diet consists of 90% animal fat and 10% protein. No organs obviously because of the carb content.

My fat comes from either grass fed and grass finished, organic rendered tallow or organic ghee. My meats are usually bison or elk. And I eat eggs.

I get about 180-200 grams of fat daily and 40-45 grams of protein. 1.8 grams of carbs from the 3 eggs I eat daily, but that is insignificant.

I have tried consuming my meat raw several times. I always hear all these reports of how great it makes people feel. It makes me feel lousy. I get cold, my throat closes up and I have trouble speaking (I think this is thyroid related), and the meat sits heavily in my stomach for a long time. I get sluggish and have no energy.

When I resume eating cooked meat (not overly cooked, but just to where the inside is pink) I regain my energy, feel warm, and the food feels like it is out of my stomach within the hour.

I am up here in Michigan studying to be a biochemist. I have been zero carb for 4 years, and this way of eating spurred me to become a biochemist. My thoughts on raw vs. cooked, excluding the carcinogenic compounds that are created via certain methods of cooking, are that the raw meat is denatured by the HCl in our stomach anyway. Cooking just speeds the process up, which might explain why it sits heavily in my stomach for so long.

Just my two cents on raw vs. cooked meat. My body just hates raw meat. Almost as much as it hates carbs.

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General Discussion / Where to Get Quality Raw Animal Fat?
« on: June 19, 2012, 05:42:26 am »
I can never seem to find good quality, raw animal fat. I have a supplier that can get me rendered beef tallow, which tastes disgusting to me because it's been so cooked. I have one place that I order online from to get raw beef suet, but it tastes disgusting as well and is impossible to eat because my body basically rejects it. I feel this is a sign that the quality of the fat isn't great.

Does anyone have any suggestions for finding good raw animal fat? My favorite fat is the fat off of muscle meats that has been warmed, but not to the point of it being "cooked." I find that addictive.

Cooked fat makes me so nauseous I can't stand it, and I am on a very special version of the raw no-carb diet because my pancreas is totally shot. I can only eat about 45 grams of protein per day and the rest of my calories are pure fat. If I stray from this my body punishes me brutally with high blood sugar, then low blood sugar, then severe pancreatitis-like pain. So, finding good fat is important.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Where to Find Organ Meats?
« on: October 31, 2010, 08:50:33 am »
Sounds good.

I was wanting to try eating raw pancreas since I have some pancreatic function issues.

I am reactive hypoglycemic though and I fear eating pancreas since it contains insulin. I don't want to put more insulin in my blood because I already seem to make too much in response to a rise in blood glucose.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Where to Find Organ Meats?
« on: October 31, 2010, 08:40:19 am »
Where can you find organ meats? I don't ever see them at grocery stores, and local meat butchers don't have them either.

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Journals / Re: Lex's Journal
« on: October 07, 2010, 10:58:23 am »
Gluconeogenesis only occurs in two instances:
1) when reducing carbs all the while keeping protein high enough (and not eating enough dietary fat) such that cells in the body can still get all the glucose they need from dietary protein. The body will never break down bodily protein in such a situation. If insufficient dietary protein is eaten for glucose needs, then ketones begin to form. 
2) in starvation, when body fat reserves are used up and protein needs to be broken down to provide glucose to critical systems allowing us to stay alive for somewhat longer.

Since you are in ketosis, I believe that BG increase is due to glycerol conversion to glucose. You do not have sufficient protein to provide glucose. BG rises for several hours after your meal because of glucose needs, perhaps increased after a meal so more glycerol is converted to glucose. That's all. 

This is flat out incorrect, and I'm living proof.

At 250 grams of fat daily, and about 80-85 grams of protein my glucose levels rose too high, and fell way too low at 5 hours post-prandial just like it used to on a high carb diet.

Just not quite as dramatically.

I'm experimenting with the same level of protein and a lower level of fat ironically. I'm theorizing that I was actually eating too much fat, but have no way to qualify that. Not sure what too much fat would do.

I do know that I've gained quite a bit of weight eating the 250 grams of fat and 80-85g of protein, which completely annihilates the theory that you can eat as much fat as you want on a low/zero carb diet as well.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw Beef Suet
« on: September 14, 2010, 11:23:52 pm »
Okay. Got the backfat. It has allot of protein/muscle meat too which is kind of annoying since I'm trying to watch my protein in take.

I couldn't stop eating it though. It tasted so good. Is all of the yellowish/white part fat, or is some of it protein too? I just want to make sure I'm eating enough fat.

It's hard to eat though. I found the fat difficult to rip off. It was stringy.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Raw Beef Suet
« on: September 14, 2010, 10:41:31 pm »
Got my order of Bison backfat today. Just looking at it, it looks much more palatable than the suet.

I'm about to eat some in 15 minutes and will report back my results.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Digestive Enzyme Supplement
« on: September 14, 2010, 11:50:38 am »
What do you guys think about taking a digestive enzyme supplement?

I'm taking it because it's supposed to support the pancreas. I take it between meals because it's supposed to help to heal the organs and clean up the blood.

It's really expensive though, and am unsure if I'm really benefiting or not, especially since I only eat raw food now.

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General Discussion / Re: how to store meat
« on: September 09, 2010, 06:27:51 am »
I personally don't mind vacuum-packed meat in plastic. Using glass is so expensive re storage of food.

I'm about to place a big order with a meat supplier who is also supplying my fat, and the meat comes in 1lb vaccum sealed bags.

I typically eat about 1-1.25 pounds of meat per day. How long, if they are in the fridge, will it take for them to develop that anaerobic bacteria that is so bad?

I'm confused on how to store this stuff. They're going to send me about 3 weeks of meat at a time. How long will this stuff keep in the fridge?

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Suet smells yeasty?
« on: September 08, 2010, 11:48:27 am »
No matter how you store it there will be some small amount of degredation. I'm not concerned about it myself, but if you are you could buy small quantities at a time, if you have a local source, so you don't have to store it long.

That's the problem. No local source.

I'm attempting to order some bison backfat from another company to see if I like it better, but they are slow in responding to e-mails so I'm afraid I'm going to run out of raw fat. Kind of annoying. I may order a small amount of suet because they respond much faster, and see if I can get the backfat in in the mean time.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Suet smells yeasty?
« on: September 07, 2010, 09:06:02 pm »
I don't leave my suet in plastic (especially loose plastic, but not even vacuum-packed plastic) in the fridge for more than a day, otherwise within a few days it gets damp and mildewed. I try to open it and air dry it or freeze it as soon after buying it as I can.

As for Candida albicans yeasts, they feed on carbs rather than fats, AFAIK, so I doubt they're on your suet.

Well, I wanted to freeze to preserve it, but I'm concerned freezing will damage the lipase and nutrients inside the fat.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Suet smells yeasty?
« on: September 07, 2010, 09:29:37 am »
I have a candida problem, and am worried about this.

I bought 3 3lb vaccum sealed bags of suet a few weeks and they have been sitting in my fridge.

The last bag I opened today and the fat smells slightly sour and slightly yeasty. Not in a bad way, and it still tastes fine, but I'm worried that this suet contains candida.

Is it just aged a little? Should I worry? Is it just bacterial growth and not candida?

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General Discussion / Re: Beef and fish raise insulin?
« on: September 07, 2010, 03:30:37 am »
I was developing diabetes prior to the raw diet, my sugars would spike up to 130 after I ate any carbs and even higher if I ate a large meal 170 -180 as soon as I switched to a very low carb raw ketogenic diet my sugars would only spike to about 110 after a big meal of meat and fat , and after a month it leveled out to 100 and then about the three month mark it stabilised into the mid 80s

now I eat a large meal of meat and fat and my sugars don't go over 85 (I call this diet a cure)

All mainstream diabetic studies are conducted by scientist who begin with preconceived false hoods that whole grains and vegtables are the optimum food for diabetics so when they study the effect of meat on diabetics they don't remove the poisonous carbs and repace it with raw fats, and low and behold the meat causes the insulin spikes and worsens the condition, These scientist are working from a faulty template and there are big money organizations that will never do double blind studies on people like me who thrive off of a raw ketogenic diet

Man I hope this way of eating fixes mine like it did yours!

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General Discussion / Re: Beef and fish raise insulin?
« on: September 06, 2010, 08:49:05 pm »
Its true but what they neglect too tell you is that yes it raises your insulin but unlike carbs it also releases glucagon which is an antagonist to insulin

Yeah. Another problem is that the insulin index study was done on patients who had likely previously been on some sort of carb based diet. Not to mention that this was done with very lean meats, and relatively little fat.

The real problem is that your insulin mechanism and the pancreas have a memory. Your insulin response to food is based on what you have been eating lately, not what you have eaten just then. It takes a day or two, if memory serves me correct (and my experience confirms this), for your insulin response to food to change.

However, I will say that if you are significantly insulin resistant and have either hypoglycemia or diabetes, that even if you are zero carb, too much protein can cause problems similar to too many carbs.

People like me have their insulin/glucagon response damaged and too much protein for me causes the same reactive hypoglycemia I get with carb intake, so the insulin response is still too high for the glucagon to completely counteract it if I'm not careful.

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General Discussion / Re: Which way to go when having to compromise
« on: September 03, 2010, 09:06:56 pm »
if you feel actual hunger more often than 24-36 hours after your last previous meal, it is a sign that you aren't getting enough animal-fat in your diet.

Interesting. I get 150-200 grams of pure, raw animal daily and still have some issues with needing to eat every 5 hours.

I, however, have candidiasis, insulin/glucose metabolism problems and some other issues involving the liver and such.

If I eat too much protein, regardless of fat intake, I get too much insulin in the system and consequently hypoglycemia around 5 hours later. Not near as bad as before on the SAD diet, but I still feel shaky.

I guess for people with normal organ function it's different. I hope I can resent my organs and get them functioning properly again.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Newbie looking into Raw Paleo - Adrenal Fatigue
« on: September 02, 2010, 09:49:21 pm »
Thanks for the info Tyler,

If only supermarket meat, fish and eggs are available, do you think it is still best to eat raw, or would you lightly cook the meat (rare, medium), or would you cook it thoroughly? Or is this situation unthinkable for yourself?

Also how do raw paleo's explain food poisoning?

I don't have an explanation for food poisoning, so someone more knowledgeable in that area will have to comment.

However, I think you're over thinking this a bit. If supermarket meat is all that is available, my opinion is that eating it raw is still a better choice than anything cooked.

I'm eating Nolan Ryan's grain fed beef raw right now and am having no problems. Although I don't enjoy the taste quite as much as grass fed, organic meat.

Don't aim for perfection, aim for progress. If you can gain access to a farmer or a local butcher that is in contact with a local farmer then great. If not, just do it to the best of your ability.

I too have some adrenal problems. I also have a very weak pancreas and candida. I was an alcoholic for several years and did quite allot of damage to my body.

Not sure about curing adrenal problems yet. Am still too new to it myself.

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I've been eating 100% organic, pure grass fed beef for a while.

Didn't feel like making the long trip to get it today and just bought some of Nolan Ryan's grain fed beef at the store and ate it raw. I've only had it with two meals so I can't judge 100 percent, but I feel better with this meat.

I almost feel like it has more beneficial bacteria in it or something because I feel that weird sense of higher immune system action when you take probiotics....

Hard to explain. I'll continue to update on this.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Salt and overeating
« on: August 31, 2010, 09:12:22 am »
I started having hypoglycemic symptoms again, albeit much less severe than they were on a high carb diet.

I realized gradually I was eating more and more protein with each meal and I was getting up to 150 grams of protein daily (which for people like me can be too much).

I experimented today with not salting my meat or seasoning at all. Just as I thought. I was full quicker and felt like I needed less food in total.

By the way I've been running my suet under warm water just to the point where it gets soft, but not melted, and it tastes WONDERFUL this way.

I'm still taking in a smaller amount of "real salt" and a little potassium salt after meals just to make sure my electrolytes stay in balance. But may eventually stop this altogether as well.

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Primal Diet / Re: Raw, unpasteurised apple cider vinegar
« on: August 30, 2010, 10:19:19 am »
well in most candida protocols they say to stay away from vinegar except acv.  that makes no sense.  it's still vinegar, right?  i couldn't understand why i'd get reflux symptoms from it when supposedly it 'cures' reflux.  i then put the pieces together and figured out it was just causing more problems.  what are you doing for your candida now?

Well. I stripped out all the supplements and went to bare basics first. I've been having severe reactive hypoglycemic symptoms for years and could never figure out why. Even a zero carb, low protein, high fat diet didn't fix it.

Slowly I add in one thing at a time. I switched to completely raw food. Saw benefits. I can now tolerate moderate amounts of protein with little problems. With cooked food I can't eat more than 10-12 grams of protein in a sitting, and I was rapidly losing muscle mass with this problem. I still can't tolerate any carbohydrate at all as I get severe hypoglycemic reactions hours later.

I've started with a Vitamin D3 Supplement because I get little sunshine. I also take a few drops of lugol's Iodine. I take about 12.5mg worth. I used to take allot more than that, but felt it was counterproductive. I've also started taking Concentrace Mineral Complex (mostly Magnesium) since Mag. is good for blood sugar control. I've been taking mega doses of Vitamin C for a while now. On a high carb diet it seemed to help stabilize blood sugar for a time, but eventually the benefits went away. I never reach bowel tolerance, even at doses as high as 20-25 grams in a day, which is scary....supposedly it means my body is in a very diseased state and is using literally all of the vitamin C I take to try and deal with it.

I take in a fair amount of Real Salt because I have weakened adrenals as well.

I'm about to start taking a coconut oil that was suggested by someone else because it is never heated above 78 degrees F, and is likely to be healthier than the other oils. The other ones are heated to about 115 degrees F, which to me is too hot.

I've tried Coconut Oil in the past and I get severe rashes from it (not an allergy, I have an amine intolerance and Coconut Oil is high in amines). I also experience SEVERE die off every time I try it. I threw up several times my last go around. Actually this is what clued me off to the fact that I have severe digestion/absorption issues because it had been about 4-5 hours since my last meal and I threw up solid, completely undigested chunks of meat.

So now I'm taking a product called "Digest Gold" with every meal and between meals, in addition to being primarily raw. It seems to help quite a bit and I believe I'm digesting better.

I've also been taking a very high dose probiotic. I get about 140billion CFU's per day. This supplement has benefited me the most, allowing me to go the whole night and a few hours after waking without food and little hypoglycemic symptoms.

I have constant gurgling/digestive juice flowing/burping all day and I also have pressure/faint pain in the pancreatic area and believe that I have a very weakened pancreas as well. Maybe the Candida has infested the pancreas?

It's weird. When I eat carbs the pancreatic pain/constant gurgling/burping and such goes away, but I have severe hypoglycemic problems. If I go zero carb the hypoglycemia improves, but the pancreas hurts and I have weird digestive issues.

One thing to note on the vitamin C. If you have insulin resistance/hypoglycemia I would avoid taking Vitamin C around meal time. Vitamin C competes with glucose for absorption and requires the same insulin mechanism to be uitilized in the body. If I take Vitamin C too close to a meal I feel hypoglycemic the whole day, food or no food. So I have to be careful. That said if I take it an hour or more away from food it makes me feel better and have more stable glucose levels.

The reason I still take supplements, even on a raw diet, is because I can't eat the organs or any other plant matter right now. The carbs in them are too much for my sugar regulation to handle. I remember trying to eat a Bell pepper several months ago which has like 2 grams of carbs in the whole thing and my pancreas hurt really bad and felt like it was having trouble controlling things.

It's a constant fight. It's like cancer. It's deadly once it gets to the point mine is because it apparently has punched through the intestinal wall and is in the organs and blood.

If I eat too much protein, or any carbs at all I get severe relapse in symptoms.

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Primal Diet / Re: Raw, unpasteurised apple cider vinegar
« on: August 30, 2010, 09:13:58 am »
doesn't help me.  i can honestly say that all the hype about it being anti-fungal and good for candida needs to be looked at once again.  i must be one of the 'rare' ones that doesn't benefit from it.  be careful until you know how you react i guess.  i don't see a need for it though -v

I agree with you. I have systemic Candida and right now if I do anything out of line I have relapse of symptoms.

I have had massive vinegar cravings in the past and could never understand why it tasted good to drink vinegar straight from the bottle. I let some vinegar sit out in the open air one day, and I knew immediately why I craved vinegar so much. It smelled very yeasty after leaving it out.

It's a by product of yeast fermentation (Even the raw apple cider) and my opinion is that anyone with a candida problem should stay away from vinegar in all forms.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Freezing
« on: August 29, 2010, 10:07:35 pm »
Does freezing raw meat damage any of the enzymes or nutritional value in it? Just wondering.

Part of some of my raw beef froze because fridge was a little too cold.

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General Discussion / Re: Coconut oil
« on: August 26, 2010, 09:46:01 pm »
Well, I'd love to try that butter stuff but I can't because I can't tolerate carbs right now.

I don't like Coconut Oil, but I LOVE Coconut cream/milk. Problem is it has sugar in it.

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General Discussion / Re: Coconut oil
« on: August 25, 2010, 10:09:42 pm »
My favourite Virgin Coconut Oil is sold by Wilderness Family Naturals as found here: http://www.wildernessfamilynaturals.com/.  It's so much better than all of the other, so-called, 'raw' oils I've tried that it's worth the expense and time importing it from the US.  Highly recommended!

Thank you for this recommendation. I plan to order some as soon as I get paid on Friday. I've been wanting to try Coconut Oil again to fight my Candida problem, but even the "raw" oils are heated to 118 degrees F.

I've tried Coconut Oil in the past and gotten extreme nausea, thrown up and diarrhea from it. I'm willing to bet that it's die off.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Re: Craving Raw Meat!
« on: August 25, 2010, 11:03:02 am »
Doesn't protein raise glucose levels? Albeit slower and more sustained?

I have Candida and pretty bad Insulin Resistance/hypoglycemic problems on carbs and so am trying my best to not push it too far.

But I'm starting to think you're right. I've tried controlling things so much for years and it's only gotten worse. Maybe I should sit back and let instincts take over. I can't stop eating raw flesh. The fat is different. I have to force the suet down at times, but that raw grassfed beef I can't stop....it's strange.

It's not like a sugar craving, or a starch craving....hard to explain.

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Carnivorous / Zero Carb Approach / Craving Raw Meat!
« on: August 25, 2010, 09:13:14 am »
I seem to crave raw meat more and more, the more I eat it.

I'm afraid to go too far because I don't want to raise glucose levels too much, but I seem to not be able to stop eating the raw flesh unless I force myself to stop.

Particularly fresh, not aged, meat.

Is this the body attempting to repair itself with raw protein? I'm going to try and follow my instincts to eat more and guage if I get blood sugar swings from it.

Raw meat is beginning to taste like candy to me.

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