BREAKFAST

I try to wait a 2-3 hours before eating, but if I did a big workout the day before I might eat sooner.  This will usually be a cup of blueberries, some grassfed cheese, a bit of raw steak, and maybe if I have some .."salad".. left over from the day before.

This is also where I take a set of supplements that are supposed to be health-span / life-span enhancing:
- NMN + pterostilbene. DNA repair, energy/metabolic health. Psterostilbene helps absorption
- Fisetin.  Clears senescent cells and damaged proteins being stored in cells
- AKG. Regenerates your stem cells, enhances mitochondria and epigenetic functions. Supposedly good for skin, and even gray hair.
- Hyaluronic acid (oral). Holds moisture for the skin.
- IP6. This one is personal, because I had very high ferratin (iron), and I need to get that down.

And again, these are all compounds found in food. Except I'm not sure about IP6.
LUNCH

I don't really do lunch, but I might have a few extra bites of steak, berries, or a banana or mango before heading to the gym.

SUPPER

It's my biggest meal. I eat steak basically every day, lol. Once a week or so, bone marrow and liver. But the bulk of my calories the past couple weeks has come from a salad that I make with combinations of the following: Onions, carrots, tomatos, avocado, bell peppers, beets, mushrooms, arrugula, spinach, broccoli, ginger, tumeric. For dressing/fat I will use some combo of olive oil, avocado, and cheese. Sometimes ACV or lemon/lime juice. It's important to keep in mind that the largest caloric portion of dinner comes from fats, not protein or carbs.

I've cut back on meat consumption significantly, at least for now. I need to try and get that ferratin under control, so reducing red meat is helpful. And also, I do believe strongly in variability of diet. All animals/humans were seasonal eaters, and there would've been times where we consumed less meat. Lord knows I've spent decades consuming quite a lot, so I figure it's probably a good idea to spend a month or so cutting back.

At some point here, I'm going to hit the bodyfat levels I want (10% or less), and then I'll target some hypertrophy (muscle growth). I'll need to add more protein, and potentially a sugary fruit (before workout) and/or starchy carbs (after workout - glycogen replenishment). But I'll take that as it comes, and try and bulk up on as few calories as possible.

I'll start with a few paragraphs personal update, and then go on to what I'm learning about health and longevity, which interestingly aren't exactly the same thing (but interrelated).

So every now and again I find myself re-committing to the raw paleo lifestyle, which usually has me checking in here to see how things have progressed. In the interim years I'm usually just out living life, having fun, or pursuing passions. Even at my worst I still tend to try and maintain some semblance of reasonable food choices.

The past few years I've traveled S America, taken Ayahuasca, partied, meditated, learned Unix, got into crypto early enough for a nice payday, and learned how to navigate markets/investment. Spent the past 6-9 months being relatively unhealthy, not sleeping enough, not enough variety in food, not enough exercise, too much booze.

It was painfully obvious to me that I was visibly aging, which was a pretty big thing I wanted to avoid when I started this journey 15 years ago (altho ofc it's unavoidable). So I decided that the least I could do was get back into RP. That was a couple weeks ago now.

I'm pleasantly surprised how quickly I can see immediate reversal in some of those signs. Simply sleep, resistance training, and raw paleo.

But what is raw paleo exactly? It's quite varied. Everything from borderline vegan to 100% carnivore. I don't have time to lay out the full case, but at this point I think it's *very* clear what a generally ideal RP diet looks like:

60-80% fat. Then half-and-half carbs/protein. Minimizing: Seeds (worst), then starch and sugar; in favor of *soluble* fiber.

Now ofc there is always variability here. Some people can't tolerate any plant material and need months-to-years to heal from rare conditions. Some of you are gym rats and can justify some extra starch/sugar, and protein. But overall, by and large, the ideal RP diet is fairly simple.

One big mistake that I and others here make, is eating too much protein. Consuming it raw is the primary saving grace that we get; avoiding many negative/aging effects of extra protein. Now I know this might sound crazy, but I'm going to side track here, only to come back and tie it all together.

I started this journey at 25 years old. I'm now almost 40. It was clear to me at 25 that not only was the established medical paradigm out to lunch, but the cutting edge aging research was woefully incomplete. Turns out that vitamins, minerals, and antioxidants are (mostly) not strongly correlated to longevity (with some exceptions).

But guess what. In the past 15 years, they've learned ALOT about what actually causes aging, and how to avoid it. Wouldn't ya know, raw paleo, exercise, rest, and lifestyle are the foundation of anti-aging. LMAO. But there are some very counter-intuitive results from the huge mass of studies that have emerged.

For example, if you want to live longer, gents, chop off your nuts. Eunuchs live on average 14 years longer than the average male. As it turns out, testosterone and high male sex hormones, While correlated with strength and quality of life, are anti-correlated with longevity.

The paradox is that low T men tend to be weak, have brain fog, and lower quality of life. Now of course I'm joking about becoming a eunuch, but it's striking example of this paradox.

The other thing is protein heavy diets. One of the many aging pathways, is clumps of protein that get stored inside of cells and interfere with gene transcription, epigenetic function, and intercellular communication. Another pathway is something called senescent cells. These are zombie cells which wont die, due to various malfunctions, and they secrete inflammatory and panic signals.

This happens to you *REGARDLESS* if you're 100% on raw meat or not. One of the ways to clear these proteins and cells, is fasting. I've done a 7 day and 15 day fast in the past few years.

Additionally, eating lots of red meat, caused my ferratin (iron content stored in cells) to increase to borderline problematic levels. Iron is heavily oxidizing, and when your body is unable to tuck it away, it causes damage. I actually have to chelate that out. Primarily using tumeric rn to do that, but I'm adding IP6 soon to get it done faster.

So I'd like to conclude this update, with a plug for longevity supplements. Yes I know that's triggering for many people. Essentially, researchers like David Sinclair, and many others, have actually begun to crack this nut. They're *actually* are starting to understand the mechanisms and patheways by which we age and ultimately die. Most of the vaccinated plebs have no idea, and never will.

But look this guy up on YT. He's 53. Tell me he doesn't look like he's in his 30s/40s. He's obviously doing something right.

Even better, these compounds and supplements they're experimenting with are shown to significantly extend lifespan in everything from mice, to yeast, to insects and other mammals ... And almost all of them are sourced directly from ... FOODS. They isolated, concentrated, and administered at levels far higher than you'd ever get from eating foods.

The other problem is that foods are now often unreliable sources of these various compounds, whether that's due to soil depletion, pesticides, or other industrial unhealthy practices.

I will eternally be greatful for the preservation that Raw Paleo has given me. It was always my hope that I could stay young and preserve my health long enough for them to actually start figuring this stuff out. Well, we're on the verge of alot of people being very young/healthy well into their 50s/60s, and the next 10-20 years will almost certainly see protocols that can significantly reverse aging, and in fact, we're already seeing some of the first human trials where they're taking 2-10 years off biological age.

So I'll leave yall with that. Start researching this stuff. Start learning about it. Because you're all here for the same reason I am. To extend our health-span for as long as possible. And probably anyone willing to go to the lenghts to eat a raw paleo diet, is someone that we want on this Earth for as long as possible.

Grapes are paleo right?

What if I step on them and wait a few weeks?  At least 1/4 of my calories are consumed in this way

On a similar note, I have a story where alcohol actually cured a weeks long stomach problem.  Recently, while in Costa Rica.  Tell y'all about it if ur interested.

I apologize in advance for speling mistakes or word pooring, I just had a concussion.

Snowboarding, not sure exactly how it happened, supposedly my memory for the rest of the week should begin returning, it has a little.  Disclaimer! I have sought medical treatment, I was released from the hospital, my gf is taking care of me at home now.  I don't consider any replies or comments as a substitute for professional medical advice.

That said, I know we have some smart peeps; what do you guys think is the best raw foods treatment?  I've been eating lots of raw honey, strawberries, blueberries, and egg yolks. 

I got some oysters too, but I can't open them since my wrist is also a little messed up.  I was thinking about picking up liver since its so nutrient dense, I also figure I need plenty of raw fat, which i need to go get.

Thoughts?

The fact that most people here are willing to consider many different, and especially non-institutional ideas regarding diet would naturally tend to over flow to other endeavors.  At heart, I believe most of us on this forum are what you could call, truth-seekers, and we're willing to follow that rabbit trail wherever it leads, even if it means eating raw meat.

And there are some very simple truths about our governemnt and the institutionalized forces which control and shape our society.  These truths are constantly obfuscated, so when we get a look at something like strict constitutionalism, the Ron Paul movement, or libertarianism, we have a leg up in that we're wiling to consider many options, and I think have another advantage in that we don't care so much where the truth leads us, so long as we can get closer to it.

Thus, the kind of person that would eat raw meat for health is also the same kind of person that would embrace the truths of Ron Paul, stict constitutional libertarianism.  And make no mistake, the precepts of those movements are rooted in truth and transparency, even if some of the finer details may be debatable.

Wow, what an amazing quote from one of my favorite historical figures.  Thanks for posting that. 

The idea of a utopian society is flawed from the beginning in that it completely disregards the roots of human nature.  We were borne in adversity, struggle and triumph; not just against nature for survival, but against each other for the best food/resources/women/men/etc.  In an uncivilized society it made us stronger.  Furthermore, this struggle is all emotionally driven, and each of our emotions are chemical survival mechanisms that have been honed over millennia to ensure our survival in a tribal, uncivilized setting.  [check out http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/spirituality/the-true-nature-of-emotion/   for a better understanding of emotion].

Utopian society envisions no struggle, no one with more or less, no fighting or quarrels.  It's unrealistic because of human nature.  The real question is, can our scientists, engineers, and leaders figure out how to ensure our continued survival in the face of a cataclysmic event; and can they figure out how to preserve the planet which gave us life before overpopulation destroys it. 

These are not easy questions b/c they don't have easy answers.  If you don't have the stomach for it, turn back now.  The reality is that one day a comet is going to devastate us.  The reality is that while the planet can hold and feed plenty more people (from a feeding people perspective we aren’t overpopulated), all of those people do things like build cars, TVs, houses, consume resources – which all creates waste.  Toxic waste that pollutes our land, our sea our air.  Waste that kills insects, bees, reduces our intelligence.  Food that reduced lifespan, health, IQ. 

Civilization has created the de-evolution (devolution) of mankind in that people who would not survive in the wild b/c they lack the strength or intelligence, continue to pass on their genes.  They don’t get weeded out.  WE ARE IN THE PROCESS OF DEVOLVING.
And we are in the process of poisoning our planet due to overpopulation (the kind that consumes too many resources and produces too much waste).  Not only that, one day a huge meteor will be on a collision course with Earth.  Hopefully we have our weapons pointed at the right target instead of each other. 

So do you see why there may be some people in high places that don’t see any other way than to reduce populations and keep them under control?  Do you see how we are faced with a moral dilemma:  Do nothing, let people have their liberty until we poison the planet and cause mass death and suffering; OR try to forcibly reduce population using GMOs, vaccines, laws, etc.  They’re both “evil” outcomes.  Pick your poison.

To conclude:  for those of you who see utopian humanity as a simple, farming, growing culture with little emphasis on science and development, you ultimately believe that the doom of humanity finds us at a point and time of nature’s random choice.  We can’t go that route.  We have to form society, explore science, figure out how to ensure our survival and reverse temporary inevitable devolution with advanced technology (think genetic engineering) and try not to destroy ourselves with technology in the process. 

I could rant on, but that’s all that’s in me for now.

Guittarman out!

You guys have left out one significant source of carbs that aren't plant derived...

Bugs!

I know gross.  I tried to grow crickets once and failed, but I have eaten them.  Crunchy.  Add some seasoned salt and you've pretty much got popcorn.

I tend to think insects would have been eaten often in paleo days, but some people on the forum would disagree. 

Probably somewhat impractical, but hey, it's always an option.

Keto diet is great for keeping that lean body mass while maintaing strength.  I was never able to gain muscle, strength, or size in any significant amounts in ketosis. 

I was able to do pretty much any type of workout, and for long periods of time.  I could improve on cardio stuff, but I couldn't get big in the gym. 

The girls here really seem to like zc and the way it keeps their body looking, but my question is this:  where are the dudes who are significantly increasing MUSCLE and SIZE on this diet? 

Not a knock on the zc or ketogenic, I will one day go back, just not yet. 

foam roller or a tennis ball (on your back while lying down) are all forms of self masssage.  It's best to combine with stretching the those same muscles as soon as you've massaged them; this will promote good alignment and if you're lifting, strength gains.  Increases blood flow, removes knots, improves body alignment. 

If your interested in this sort of thing, check out "myofascial release."

But be careful, if you're trying to solve musculo-skeletal pain, this is one of a few things you need to do to resolve the root of the problem.  For example, my gf likes to use a tennis ball on her back, which solves the immediate pain, but doesn little to remedy the spinal alignment issues that are causing the pain in the first place.

Not too bad until the end (and the lack of mention of zero carb as a variant of RPD).  It starts talking about how cooking makes more nutrients available and how a hunter-gatherer couldn't get enough calories on a raw diet, although that was under the "criticism" section. 

Otherwise it doesn't do a bad job of discussing RPD, except at times it's tough to distinguish when the article is talking about raw veganism or RAF or both. 

What should really be done is to take the separate article "Raw Animal Food Diets" and expound upon that.  The competition from those pesky vegitarians should go down some.  Also, I would recommend against the first thing in there being about those who eat rotting and fermented meat.  Maybe put that under a "variants" section. 

Maybe I'll register for Wikipedia and re-org that one.  Although I'm not so good on references and studies, I might need some help.

Ah finally good news to share.  So I'm fairly convinced that I was going through a sort of secondary adjustment if you will.

-I feel much better
-My urinary ketones have gone down, not to the low they were at first, but have dropped quite a bit
-My cold tolerance has returned
-Instead of hunger pangs between waking and lunch, I just feel that my stomach is empty w/o being hungry
-I have more energy between waking and lunch, in fact, I notice a drop in energy after lunch.  Hell, maybe I'll eventually move to 1 meal per day
-Went snowboarding this past Sunday, didn't eat anything till 4PM but had no energy problems on the mountain
-Put on a couple pounds the past few days, despite eating less food.
-Lifted today, and for the first time since starting a ketogenic diet, I felt that "this 45 lb plate feels light", "these squats feel light"
- Squats: 245lb, 14 reps and 9 reps, much improved form since last time I did squats.  Normally I don't do that many reps, but I was just able to push em out.  I'll work on getting better form before moving the weight up though.

Not only that, but I'm starting to feel the effects of rapid healing again.  I remember before that whenever I'd get hurt, I was just amazed at how fast my body would heal.  Well, I tried a jump on Sunday, landed straight on my left hip bone from a good 5 feet up.  Walking, even just moving my left leg while sitting would hurt.  I was a little worried I'd have to hold off on the gym this week (as it's a 2 lower body sessions), but somewhere in the middle of the night, it's almost like it magically got better.  I mean, still hurts a little when I push on it, but nothing that I really even think about during the day.

Thanks for the inputs, they convinced me to hold off adding any carbs back in for a little bit longer, and I suspect over the next few weeks I should start to see some significant gains again.

After sharing this diet with MANY people, 300, 400? I've come to the conclusion that 75-100% of what someone thingks of it (right off the bat) is already decided by their own peronality or open/close mindeness no matter what you say or how you present it.     

I also tend to think that there's not necessarily a 'best' way to handle it, just a number of good ways (and a number of bad ways).  As long as you keep it pretty light-hearted and don't get to serious, people will of course respond much better.  Keep in mind you become an easy target for jokes, so do your best to roll with it, not take offense, and just laugh them off (or at least smile).

What makes the real statment to people is when they see you do this day in day out, and see that you're doing just fine.  They may have all kinds of "logical" things to say against you and/or your diet, but there's nothing they can do when you slap them in the face with reality - that is, keeping this up and being healthier and stronger than the rest.  It sort of forces most people to re-evaluate their views somewhat.

Of course, some people are just stubborn assholes who will refuse to change anything they believe no matter how much logic or evidence presented.  Others will always try to act like they're better than you b/c it's a sort of easy self validation "at least I'm not as dumb as that guy," and thus will never change either.  These f---ers piss me off too, but there's not much I can do about it, and they're generally in the minority (1 out of 10?).

For the majority, if you don't act like it's a big deal, they will generally not make too much of it either.  I would try a few different methods and see what works best, just keep these few ideas in mind and I'm sure you'll get comfortable with it eventually, which will inevitably help others to be (more) comfortable with it too.

On a side note I felt better in the gym today and made some gains over my last UB routine.  I feel like I'm rounding the corner in what has felt like a secondary adjustment period. 

 

How long did it take you to adapt to where you were making significant gains, or at least equal gains to eating carbs?