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Thanks everyone for your ideas.

TylerDurden, fasting seems to be a really useful skill. Especially at times when quality, wholesome foods are not available, or when my body needs the rest and healing that regular digestion deters.

I understand what you're saying Van; I'll do my own research. I'm excited to keep exploring my health, and growing my awareness of my body and it's needs.

Iguana; thanks for this clarity about other body sensations. I have been getting that date stop, but I might not be sensitive enough yet to catch it before overeating.

Also, I forgot to mention, thanks Iguana for the invite to join you in this exploration! Where are you living? Looks tropical.

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Thanks Iguana for all this awesome feedback!

I'm curious what other body feelings you're referring to. In the mouth or elsewhere in the body?

Two meals does sound ideal. I get the best digestion when I only eat a single species of food at one sitting; mangoes for example, and no other fruit. As a result, if the meal is too small I'm finding I need another meal after an hour or two. This might improve when I have a better sense for what my body is craving, and can eat it in volume.

80 dates is a staggering amount! I think I have gotten that "too sweet" taste change, which feels like a burning sensation to me, the same as with too much honey. But afterwards I get loud scentless gas, which makes me think something is wrong. Any idea what this is about? The dates I'm eating are fresh, California-grown, certified organic dates; not dried or pitted. They're delicious, if expensive.

My experience is not aligning with what Severen L. Schaeffer says in this quote from Instinctive Nutrition:
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Fresh dates become sour when no longer needed. Commercially dried dates are generally dried at high temperature and should be avoided since they can easily be eaten to excess, producing "allergic" reactions and malaise. Buy dried dates only if the seller can certify that they were air-dried, and only if they produce a sweet-to-sour taste change.

I will definitely keep eating vegetables on occasion and only the most attractive, like you describe. We have a big vegetable garden in the warmer months.

I wonder were you find suitable eggs because it's normally not available unless you have your own poultry. When not available, I eat wild seafood instead, as Tyler suggests.

I'm sure I'm not buying "suitable" eggs, by your definition. They're pasture raised, organic eggs, from a Whole Foods here in north-eastern USA. They taste delicious; sweet and creamy. I eat them at room temperature, and the taste change has been very clear recently. I'd certainly consider better eggs if I could source them, but right now I value the variety they give to my diet.

Thanks for the book link; I would like to read it.

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Thanks Van!

Those are some interesting and useful ideas you mention. I'm not educated on insulin and blood sugar. I do understand what you mean about lusting after the next sweet treat though! As with my first instinctive experience, this time around I'm finding I have the same coping strategy of using food to calm my emotions and a structured meal schedule, like the two meals you and Iguana mention, really helps!

Are you suggesting a primarily meat-based diet as a general method to maintain better blood sugar levels? I'm not interested in doing regular blood work, at this point.

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Thanks TylerDurden. I have had high meat several times in the past; do some people like the taste? I did the jar method that AV recommends; the results were repulsive but I ate it a few times to see what would happen. Are you experienced with high meat?

I have lots of experience aging beef. I would love to try aging chicken and fish, so thanks for the reminder! I loved that earlier post about how our gut pH was similar to ferrets and other scavengers... Definitely confirms my experience of loving well aged meats.

Also my father is a oceanic fisherman, so I'll try wild-caught seafood in a month or two. He also has lobster traps, so I'll give raw lobster a try as well.

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Instincto / Anopsology / Re: Eat what when? (especially meat)
« on: March 27, 2019, 02:57:48 am »
I ate instinctively for three months in Hawaii. We all had roughly the same schedule:

From wake up time to late morning = Drink water, coconut water and/or wheatgrass; basically continued digestive cleansing.
Late morning to late afternoon = Mono-fruit meals or coconut flesh.
Late afternoon to bed time = Usually one large protein meal; beef or durian were most common.
After a meal of meat, from time to time we would browse on perennial vegetables.

I'm picking up instinctive eating again, eight years later, in a very different climate in north-eastern USA. So far I enjoy cleansing with wheatgrass and water until late morning. Then I eat one to three meals, usually consisting of a single fruit type each. And then in the late afternoon/evening I eat one or two meals of protein. Yesterday I had a meal of beef in the late afternoon, and another meal of eggs after dark. Where do vegetables fit in? I don't know!

One thing I really appreciate about this instinctive way of eating is that the emphasis is on finding your own successful patterns. Trust your senses, but until they're giving you all the information you need I suggest keeping things really simple. Eating to comfort emotions is my largest obstacle to eating in harmony with my body, so a clear schedule of meals helps me to resist these urges.

Happy eating!

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This is my first post here. I've eaten large amounts of raw meat for about twelve years now. I was on the Primal Diet (AV) for most of that time, and I also spent three months in Hawaii eating purely instinctively.

It's been about eight years since I had that experience in Hawaii, and I'm called to eat instinctively again. I'm tired of trying to guess at what my body wants to eat, and mixing foods together to make them taste good. I need my body to tell me, clearly, what and how much to eat. I also want to eat for pleasure, not just for health, and still feel good afterwards.

I started this experiment about two weeks ago, and I wasn't finding clear taste changes originally. I'd just eat a mango or three and then take a break. Or eat whatever amount of raw beef I'd portioned for myself. Or eat raw eggs until I was full. All fruit smelled bland. I was loving the smell of unheated honey, so I ate very small amounts of that through-out the day, and often just went hungry at meal time... I was hoping that my senses would come back in response to hunger.

Today I'm getting taste changes with some foods. Beef changes to bland. Eggs, for the first time last night, become sour, almost bitter in excess. Too much honey develops a burning sensations in my mouth. But fresh organic dates still seem to have no taste change at all, and I have to willingly limit my consumption to one or two a day at most, or else I get audible and uncomfortable gas.

Has anyone had success including dates in their diet? Is there a "sour" taste change like Severen L. Schaeffer says?

I'm still struggling to find a variety of foods that smell really attractive. I've recently explored oysters, pork, salmon, opah (a fish), but beef and eggs are the only meats I enjoy the smell and taste of. Fruits are so-so; mangos are in season so I eat a few a day. Bananas are sometimes okay but usually repulsive, apples have no smell even if I scratch or score the surface, and oranges smell good but not appetizingly so. Vegetables are fun for a few bites but I get a taste change very quickly, and trying to make a meal of them seems to really slow down digestion for me.

It's an interesting world of food out there; and I'm grateful that my senses are guiding me.
Any suggestions for how to get off to a good start would be greatly appreciated!

Thanks so much!

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