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Off Topic / Re: raw vegans have problems
« on: December 14, 2011, 02:37:07 am »
Man is but a beast. Without self-control, there can only be savagery.

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I'm not sure that any attempts to guide humanity's collective path will be ultimately successful. No one that I know of, in the millions of years since humans have been around, has been able to alter the direction of society as a whole from that which is commanded by nature, and many have tried.
If in fact genetic engineering did achieve this, by society giving genetic engineering a free hand, I think it would likely result in a complete loss of identity and sense of direction and cripple the human race for good. Because we move unconsciously within the framework of our own nature, without realising that there is always that invisible hand guiding us. If we removed that framework, what would we be? Humans? I think not. Animals? Definitely not. Schizophrenic psychopaths? Probably. Would we be able to save ourselves at that point? I think we may find out soon.

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My Dad always says that until capitalism has been wiped off the face of the earth we will never be able to make anything great of humanity, and I tend to agree.

If genetic engineering is carried out, it will inevitably be for a profitable end, not necessarily a good or healthy one. I don't see why it would not be very profitable for some people, for example, to genetically engineer compliant and weak-willed people, if ways of doing it were discovered.

The thing I'm not sure about is: Are the flaws of human nature (which are not always flaws in all situations) so integral to our being that we will never be able to turn around and see them clearly, or control them enough that we could safely `play God' without fear?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi everyone
« on: December 04, 2011, 06:20:03 pm »
In Paraguay now. Eating mangoes and bananas from my grandmother's yard, cabbage salads, eggs and meat. The birds got all the avocados before I could get here :(
Very nice to be away from the city! :D

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Very interesting. I have a tooth with an indirect pulp cap, where basically they left some of the decayed tooth over the nerve and put a cap on. I will be avoiding root canal if I can. I eat raw garlic chopped into my salads which hopefully will prevent an infection.
Cheers

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Healing Musculoskeletal Problems
« on: November 19, 2011, 03:57:17 pm »
I would see a physiotherapist, because no one here has the knowledge that they have of injury rehabilitation. A long-term injury is something that requires very careful management if it is to heal properly.

From my experience, exercise (increasing blood flow, but not to the point of pain) and stretching is usually what these injuries respond best to.

I used to train Muay Thai and I am quite sure that I injured my IT band kicking and being kicked in the thigh, and it never properly healed, especially when I didn't exercise at all. I had `snapping hip syndrome' where it feels like the side of my leg is tight, and then it suddenly pops. I believe that this came about when I began favouring the other leg and didn't quite extend the injured one as much when walking, and the IT band became tight.

I do jogging now and spend a LOT of time stretching all my muscles, and it is rare now for me to have the snapping hip thing. But when I stop exercising and stretching, I seem to get it more. Maybe if I stretched every day, it would heal better. I do now make a point of walking in a very balanced way and with good posture, and if it feels tight, I stretch it, and this seems to work very well.
Cheers

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I have felt similar things with my brain with food and stimulus. I wonder if besides the proper stimulus, if proper nutrition is not also a factor.

What you eat today, walks and talks tomorrow! Its so true.

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Health / Re: Tendinitis
« on: November 18, 2011, 06:31:11 pm »
I think Cherimoya_kid has a good point. Vitamin D is used extensively in bodily processes, and helps absorption of minerals such as calcium and phosphorous which are used to repair bones and ligaments. I think very few people get enough of it these days.
I am not suggesting that you shouldn't see a doctor, but the human body is capable of extraordinary healing if it is provided with the right materials and environment. Don't forget to move it about gently all the time to increase blood flow, if it is not painful.
Cheers
 

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Coming back
« on: November 18, 2011, 06:18:05 pm »
True, my lunch salad is as many vegetables as I can find all chopped up and mixed together, as much as I can put down the hatch in one go. It doesn't taste either great or bad, just food-like. That's the way I need to always eat.
At the moment, however, I'm studying how low, calorie-wise, I can go and still remain functional.
Maybe I'm spending too much time around food related topics, but there is no greater study than the study of the human body. Its the greatest, most complex and least understood gift that anyone has ever been given.
In my opinion, anyway :D

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First time I've heard of safus! What do they taste like?
Cheers

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Coming back
« on: November 17, 2011, 09:11:26 am »
Hi boxcarguy07 and welcome back,
I kind of did that too, went off a raw diet for almost two years. I just came back a week or two ago. Feels much better, but I totally understand what you mean about thinking too much about food. On the other hand, biology fascinates me.
My aim is to have three square meals of raw food a day and forget about the `act of eating' in between.
Cheers

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Hi,
I've been reading about adult stem cells, which from my understanding are cells which have no particular characteristics until the body determines the need for them. Apparently there are a lot of them in areas of the body which experience a lot of regrowth, e.g., fingernails, teeth.
I wonder if the brain doesn't have them too, and can utilise them to form additional growth and extended functions in the brain, if the correct stimulus (e.g. learning) is applied.
Furthermore, if these stem cells can be constantly produced, it would provide the necessary materials and environment for brain evolution, the only stimulus required being learning.
It would go a long way toward explaining evolution, for example. At least in addressing my own questions on the issue.
Cheers

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi everyone
« on: November 16, 2011, 12:30:35 pm »
And likewise :D

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi everyone
« on: November 16, 2011, 06:17:19 am »
Thanks Dorothy!

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Congratulations Tyler on waving around a study it looks like you haven't even read. I'll quote it:

"The Okinawan diet includes small quantities of animal meat, primarily pork, and cooking is sometimes done with lard. However, their overall traditional diet would be considered a very-high-carbohydrate by modern standards, with carbohydrates, protein, and fat providing 85%, 9% and 6% of total calories respectively."

The reason I got arguing on this thread in the first place was about another piece of literature that it looks like no one even bothered to read. Great.
6% is not `generous' or `heavy'.
I'm not here to tell you or anyone what to eat, I don't have any barrow to push, unlike some people here. I am only arguing for the clear-headed acceptance of the truth, no matter what it is. So it is not `unfortunate' for me if  you decide not to see it, I can accept that. I just hope you will allow other people to make their own choices, by encouraging the spread of useful and truthful information, which is what I hope this forum is about.
I've said enough. My arguments speak for themselves.
Cheers

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Hi everyone
« on: November 15, 2011, 03:06:33 pm »
Hi Paul, thanks. And welcome to you, too.

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PaleoPhil,
I do appreciate the quality of your arguments, even if I don't agree with you on some things. I enjoy `locking horns' with people like you who are articulate and knowledgeable. When I read other forums, the threads that I enjoy the most are those which have people from different points of view creating a lively debate.
Cheers

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Dorothy, I agree with you.
It's like saying a typewriter is more advanced than an ipod because its bigger. It depends what's inside. Besides the neuron density, the brain has a lot of different components, the relative sizes of which can deeply affect `intelligence' based on individual perceptions of what intelligence is. I mean, a dog can smell a hell of a lot better than a human, and I'm sure it has to do with increased neural activity in some part of the brain. Does that make it more intelligent? Science doesn't really know very much about the human body at all, in my book.
I must say that I do theorize that there is a limit to the capability of a certain size of brain, a limit which can be raised if it is enlargened. However I am not sure.

Paleophil, I know that omega 3 is a fat, but it is a certain type of fat. I am arguing that dietary fat as such is not conducive to human brain evolution or development. Fish has ten times more omega 3 than the richest red meat, and so a few sardines, which overall are very lean, would provide the same omega 3 as a few kilos of beef.

I don't know where this perception came from that brain development requires some gigantic amount of fat and energy. It is a little computer which uses a surprisingly small amount of power. Most of the energy consumed is used in heating and maintaining a very big body, as well as muscular activity. Therefore I would be much more concerned with the type of food I was eating, than the overall quantity. A lot of people believe that if they drown themselves in the vitamins, they will get `superhuman powers'. Luckily for them, the body tightly regulates that sort of thing or they would poison themselves. I believe its the same with fat, except that its not well regulated. Eat too much and you'll probably just get fat, and probably develop a lot of health problems as well.

I don't have any worthwhile theories yet on why the brain evolved, but it didn't have to do with raw energy or simple fat as far as I'm concerned.

I don't want to try vegan at the moment, thanks very much, because I doubt that I would be able to avoid all the problems I have heard others describe. Problems which can be entirely avoided with small amounts of the right kind of meat. Just look at the Okinawans, living healthily to 114. They eat a bit of fish every now and then, and mostly vegetables and rice (not raw though). That's all the proof I need to know that I don't need a lot of fat.

It seems like people have to swing from vegan to carnivore and back again, without stopping to check what's in between.

Cheers

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The only way you can defeat the federal government is to refuse to pay the government any taxes. The US federal government is way too overbloated as it is.

I agree.
They can't put everyone in jail. The problem is, you'll probably be one of a very few.
Society has a way of turning everyone against those who don't conform. Its got something to do with the fear of breakdown of society and losing some kind of `security'. So everyone'll probably be yelling for your blood.
I think (relatively) peaceful measures are better, until the shit really hits the fan.
Cheers

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There's an interesting SF book by William Golding, "the Inheritors", about Neanderthals having telepathy which meant they never developed language like humans had to, so this is the glib explanation for why Neanderthals died out. I personally wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the Neanderthals were more intelligent than modern humans in actual fact.

Sounds like an interesting book. It doesn't sound likely, but then again a lot of people seem to think that our evolution is at an end. It may conceivably have ended a while ago, but technology still came forth as a completion of the expression of our abilities.
I respect science, but I'm aware of the shakiness of the foundations for many of our conclusions.
I think my Dad has it somewhere. I'll definitely look it up.


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General Discussion / Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
« on: November 14, 2011, 01:54:10 pm »
I noticed that another forum book that had a small amount of popularity was composed of each person's individual stories, which would be basically the same thing as the success stories at the main raw Paleo website. So one possibility would be to ask more people to submit their success stories and then stick them in an ebook, with a short introduction that could touch on the fundamentals and note that there are disagreements.

I really like that idea. If each person were given a few pages to relate their experiences, and clarify the particular characteristics of their diet, I think it would be very handy for everyone.
I too, have not diversified my experiences as much as I would like to much. But if I stuck to the most recent dietary change, and everything relevant to that, it could work out nicely I think.
Cheers

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The idea is that a much bigger hominid brain requires a hell of a lot more energy to sustain itself, and fat has far more of that in it than proteins or carbohydrates.

Brains consume a lot of energy and larger heads could reduce speed, balance, agility, etc.

I don't imagine that the brain uses more than 20% of the total calories required, which for a 2000 calorie diet is 400. If the brain became 1.5 times bigger, the difference is about 200 calories. This is not a great deal by any stretch of the imagination.

We're talking about paleolithic times here!
The kalahari bushmen currently live quite well in the middle of the kalahari desert, where you or me would drop dead in a few hours. They are confined to limited reserves in the hope that they will decide to join the city life. They compete with sports hunters and a very strained, very lean ecosystem, and according to a few sources only need to spend a four-hour week (excluding food preparation) gathering food.
I would say that by comparison, our paleolithic ancestors in the tropics would have been presented with such a buffet that they wouldn't know where to start! 200 calories more would not have been hard to find.

Let me state again my argument:
Dietary fat did NOT result in a bigger brain
Omega 3 likely CONTRIBUTED

Eating more seafood may have contributed to a bigger brain because of the availability of omega 3. But, as Sabertooth's article implied, it had to do with the introduction of seafood, not some kind of explosion in meat-eating in general, because the Neanderthals already ate a lot of red meat, and did not appear to experience any measurable difference. It definitely, in my opinion, had nothing to do with eating more fat as such.

I agree with Paleophil that probably a small difference in brain size equals a small difference in intelligence, but as Dorothy said the current tests are debatable and on the whole this is a very  debatable matter. Personally, I think it would have a lot to do with active neurons or something like that. However, if a brain doubled in size, I believe it would be significantly more intelligent.

Lastly, the idea that a big cat already gets enough food and so it will not evolve does not sound right at all to me. If that were the case, if humans started eating a lot of fat, they would cease to evolve, rather than grow a bigger brain.
Cheers

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Sabertooth, I'm not sure I understand where you're coming from. I don't see how a cat could not benefit from being smart. Evolution is supposed to favour those who survive, and a cat on top of the food chain, with no known natural predators, and access to an ample supply of food would theoretically be a prime candidate.
I understand what you say about the perfect storm creating man and I do agree.
The article you posted clearly draws a comparison between Neanderthals who ate red meat (which usually carries a higher percentage of fat) and early humans who ate seafood (generally a lot less fat). This is one of the basis for its thread that omega 3 and DHA contributed to the formation of the human brain.
I do say that fat is calorie dense and therefore might have provided an abundance of calories during periods when vegetation was scarce, but I don't think this would apply in the tropics and only for short periods of time (on an evolutionary scale) in mid latitudes.
The human brain (largely composed of fat) does not need high dietary fat in order to grow, because fat can and usually is made from everything that is eaten. The body does not say "well I'm not getting enough dietary fat so sorry, no can do" it makes it from whatever it is given.
Lastly, if our brains evolved on a diet of high fat, why didn't our guts? Why didn't our teeth? Why didn't our bodily secretions and functions and everything else? Carbohydrates are still preferred as an energy source. I don't care what any Stefansson or any scientists say but I feel like hell in ketosis.
Cheers


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Hi Tyler
You're right, I am not so sure about the IQ test myself and probably shouldn't have used it as an example, but I was simply trying to point out the lack of definite correlation between brain size and intelligence (I wonder if there is really any useful intelligence test?)
I also very much agree with you regarding cultural influences.
I doubt that we use the full capacity of our brains on an everyday basis, the same way that we can do superhuman physical feats only when under extreme stress and under high levels of adrenaline. Perhaps we use only use a certain percentage of the `strength' of our brains, though we utilise all of its parts.
I believe that `we are what we eat' and diet has a profound influence on everything about us including our brains. I do not however believe that a simple excess of dietary fat resulted in a larger brain size, or certain large cats would be running the world right now.
Cheers

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General Discussion / Re: Raw Paleo collaborative book
« on: November 13, 2011, 02:38:53 pm »
Hi,
Sounds great, but then I don't think everyone really agrees on what the paleo diet consists of. However, an information source on why raw fruit, vegetables and meat are better than cooked counterparts would probably go a long way toward resolving initial questions. I would definitely help out.
Cheers

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