superinfinity2, i mean you just said yourself "If you have to look for something and can't just eat "instinctively", then there's something amiss." and in your previous post you have this to say about your fruitarian diet: "The only catch is that you have to supplement calcium + magnesium and it might be a good idea to use vitamin d as well." what are you smoking? can i have some?

lol... the thing that's amiss is neither diet, it's our teeth's formation. If paleo man had to be extra careful to eat any foods to get xyz without being in extreme pain for much of his life, then for me that means there's something amiss with our own physiology [or possibly non-food activity). Paleo man didn't make sure to take certain foods, he just took what he felt like and what was available and it wouldn't make evolutionary sense for him to be "wrong" about it. He would be perfectly adapted for that environment.    

I suspect that if you ask your dentist he'll explain that the problem wasn't that your teeth grew too much, but that they grew at the wrong angle or in the wrong place, resulting in them growing into each other instead of straight up, such as with impacted wisdom teeth.

Probably, the filling on that tooth was a bit strange from when he did it at first.

It sounds like you're talking about malocclusion, but I've never encountered someone calling it "growing too much" or "overextended" before.

I hadn't heard of that term before. You should know not to trust medical labels as being a guide for anything. Medicine tries to put a "symptoms => disease/condition => prognosis" scenario on everything when what's in between can cause an awful lot of problems: Just because there isn't a medical label on your teeth or bones does not mean there isn't something wrong with them!!!! It would also explain the rapid rise in height of homo sapiens.... in a nutshell there may not have been any: just refined foods and plenty of dairy in the modern world!!!

No, and I don't understand how people conflate the two. Cow's dairy is for baby cows. Human dairy is for baby humans. Adult mammals are not designed to continue eating dairy after weaning. No adult wild carnivore on earth consumes dairy as a staple food (especially given that most dairy foods, including even raw butter and raw cheese, are made using devices of some sort, such as butter churns). It's unnatural and accumulating scientific evidence indicates pasteurized dairy products have many negative effects on the humans who consume them.

The indigenous tribes drink it though all the time, just as sure as they eat eggs and animal flesh. I can't see how drinking an animal's blood and their milk are such different things from the perspective of evolution.

Observant Hindus eat dairy but no beef. If you're consistent, then you would consider that a contradiction also, yes?

Maybe if they're doing it from an evolutionary perspective. You could argue though that you can continue milking a cow while it's alive, not if you eat it!!!

1) Who made you diet dictocrat? I can do whatever I want. 2) Not all RAF dieters eat dairy. 3) I usually don't call myself RAF--I tend to call myself a mostly-raw carnivorous Paleo dieter with occasional cheating, or carnivorous RPD for short, or just RPD for simplicity.

You can do what you want, just don't expect me to believe you on how great your diet is when the evidence you're presenting works for other foods as well that you won't take!!!!...
 
 

Choice is irrelevant to health. I might choose to eat ice cream if it's available to me, but that doesn't make it healthy.

WRONG PaleoPhil. Ice-cream is a prepared food so it doesn't count. I'm talking about foods you'd find yourself in the wild. Humans are perfectly evolved to make optimal use of their environment for gaining food. Just like the evolution of the eye is hard to understand or imagine... it's the same with our taste. We want to eat whatever's best for us. Why would it be any other way? If it were then in two generations natural selection would have been wiping out the poor tasting guys. Our tastes and often extremely strong food desires are not just random nonsense, they are extremely well evolved to get the best food into our system. The only thing that can possibly mess it up is cooking or other modern processing of food.

Hi SuperInfinity version 2.0. Did you have your dental checkup yet? My next one's coming up.

I did, and he said I just needed a little bit of work on one of my teeth. He used some lingo I can't recall but I think the main gist of it was that the teeth/nerves were actually growing too much! They were growing into each other and that's basically what was causing the pain.  

I admit I was really relieved when I heard that as I had said here that my teeth were bugging me a little bit, especially that one or two when brushing. So I started taking magnesium, which is rare in fruit and I started taking extra caution and using anti-septic mouthwash whenever I felt my teeth were getting a bit dirty. Within about a week of that all my tooth problems simply disappeared! I don't know whether it was the magnesium or the mouthwash, but my teeth are definitely going fine now.

Grew too much?

Yes, malformed and overextended from copious amounts of food and dairy when they were young. I believe that we are also too tall, we grew too much by use of artificial foods and hormones. That's why we need extra calcium&magnesium supplements articially. That's why people get skeleton injuries so often. Did you know that supercentarians are nearly always around five foot five or less??? And they didn't lose THAT amount of height in their lives.

Obviously Dr. Weston Price's book shows very clearly that many westerner's teeth are malformed, crooked, and so on. My teeth were growing crooked before I got braces. Many teeth grow HUGE, the teeth of indigenous tribes are small. How much more proof do you need?! Our teeth are not well-formed frankly. Some of these things need constant "maintainance" because of the permanent damage done to them.

Also: How can you be pro-RAF and yet anti-dairy? Would you not consider there to be a contradiction there? You can't just take the things that suit the idea RAF is good for you and leave out what doesn't appear to be healthy [even if it's tasty and indigenous tribes eat it). I eat whatever I like when I like, the only rule I try to follow is that I don't let others prepare it. I don't even bother trying to eat cruciferous vegetables I like anymore.

Not true. The mountain gorilla is one of the great apes and only 2% of  its diet was found to be fruit, whereas 86% was leaves, shoots and stems (see http://www.seaworld.org/animal-info/info-books/gorilla/diet.htm).

Careful, look at what I said. I said it is the food of CHOICE. As in, they would eat it above all other foods if they could. For example, the neanderthals were primates and would have been great apes so obviously fruit would have been their food of choice. But as it was not abundant they had to try to rely on animal protein and went extinct. Fruit is not available easily in that region, so they have to make-do with other foods.

I find that the best way remineralize teeth is to stick to the fruitarian aspect of the raw paleo diet and forget about RAF entirely. I eat fish and eggs sometimes [I did today), but in general you're better off having animal protein cooked if at all, mainly due to parasites etc.

The only catch is that you have to supplement calcium + magnesium and it might be a good idea to use vitamin d as well. This is because your teeth in all likelihood grew too much from the start. Then use a mouthwash about twice a day and brush once and your teeth will remineralize.
 
While I'm well aware that RAF and this idea of humans going off hunting in bands excitedly has captured the imagination and admiration of many folk here, I feel some people need a sharp dose of reality. Fruit is incontestably the food of choice for all apes, nearly all primates in fact. Fruitarianism is a lot closer to the reality of what paleo man actually took until around the neolithic period [which is when life expectency dropped to 20, incidentally).

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