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Hot Topics / Re: Why have we been cooking all this time?
« on: October 26, 2009, 03:55:18 am »
Message deleted due to trolling - just mindless, rude blatherings promoting  Gary Taubes' cooked views and stupid, ignorant condemnations of all rawists as  being supposedly extremists and sickly etc. I mean, these anti-raw fanatics simply cannot accept the fact that no one would touch this type of diet unless they'd tried everything else and this diet alone worked for them.There are too many social restrictions against raw-foodism for there to be any other reason.*tylerdurden*

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Hot Topics / Re: Why have we been cooking all this time?
« on: October 26, 2009, 12:25:44 am »
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Cooked meat does cause illness.  Cooked meat cannot cure diseases as well as raw meat.  There are many diseases where cooked meat just will not do.

What type of diseases are these?
Have you met anyone who hasnt cured there disease because they were simply eating cooked then all the sudden were cured from because they switch to raw meat?


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Hot Topics / Re: Why have we been cooking all this time?
« on: October 25, 2009, 10:26:44 pm »
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I think that cooking is basically an addictive behavior, our species had unfortunately and inevitably to stumble on and adopt. Until experience and science recently discovered its adverse effects.

But just because it "may" be addictive doesnt really mean its unhealthy (just basing it off of everything other culture that eats cooked meat that has good health)
Raw meat is superior to cooked meat, but i dont think cooked meat causes health problems;
i still think the sugar is the number one cause of most sickness; this is one thing that all healthy people avoid.

im going on an raw meat diet starting today!

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 25, 2009, 08:03:06 am »
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"""Eating Lots of Vegetables:

The islands of sun-drenched Okinawa are lush with rich green vegetation. Deep, green healthy vegetables abound. The surrounding clear ocean waters and coral reefs make island soils rich in minerals, which promotes good crops. Vegetables and medicinal herbs that will not thrive in mainland Japan grow readily in Okinawa.

Yet, the habit of eating vegetables raw has never taken hold in Okinawa. Instead, vegetables are cooked with pork and tofu in Chanpuru, or eaten in Nbushi boiled dishes or used in abundance in soups and for tempura. By cooking the vegetables, more can be eaten than if they are consumed raw. Especially in a dish like Chanpuru, where vegetables are the main ingredient, regularly available vegetables and seasonal vegetables of all kinds are combined and eaten any number of times a week. Carrots, cabbage, bean sprouts, etc., are staples in Chanpuru dishes. As a result, Okinawans end up consuming twice the amount of vegetables eaten by mainland Japanese, according to a national nutrition survey."""
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Hot Topics / Re: Why have we been cooking all this time?
« on: October 25, 2009, 07:37:55 am »
The only thing that's kind of interesting there are no modern hunter gather tribes that are raw foodists; and some of these tribes have been completely cut off from civivlation.
http://www.beyondveg.com/tu-j-l/raw-cooked/raw-cooked-1a.shtml

even the Okinawans cook most of there food and seem to have remarkable health.

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Hot Topics / Re: Why have we been cooking all this time?
« on: October 24, 2009, 07:17:14 pm »
i agree with SD that for example soda 50 years ago was a treat now its a daily beverage.

i think cooking was initially used to help preserve food in tough times? Then it eventually became the norm.?

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General Discussion / Re: Best Red Meat
« on: October 24, 2009, 07:16:02 pm »
so fattier beef is healthier than lean bison ( if both are grass fed organic)?

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General Discussion / Best Red Meat
« on: October 24, 2009, 06:31:43 pm »
What is the healthiest kind of red meat?
Does it really make a difference overall for health benefits, say like Beef vs bison vs lamb, etc.
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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 18, 2009, 11:55:22 pm »
what about OKinawas actually trimming the fat off meat and straining soups to get fat out?

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Hot Topics / Re: Qesem Cave Site New Finding
« on: October 16, 2009, 02:21:27 am »
You can find evidence to support any idea you want to have..

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 16, 2009, 02:17:50 am »
If i had to guess.. the okinawas ate about .8lbs of meat a day.... 1/4 being pork, goat etc and the other 1/2lb being fish...
Im not sure how much goat milk they used.. I know they did consume raw meat but also fried and boiled, im assuming most of there meat was cooked but they did consume it raw at times.

overall it seems the bulk of there calories came from vegetables and whole grains.

basically seems like a balanced diet of whole grains, veggies, fruits, meat and milk, raw and cooked..

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 16, 2009, 12:02:10 am »
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Zenei Yogi, president of the Maruichi Meat Co., based in Naha, told The Daily Yomiuri through an e-mail from a spokesman that goat meat is traditionally served in Okinawa "at a time of celebration for such events as housewarming or birth of a new baby. Goat meat is also eaten as remedy for recovery from fatigue after planting rice or harvesting sugar cane."
http://www.soshiok.com/articles/9923
See meat used in celebrations..


I read different stories, I have read modern okinawas eat more meat then there ancestors,, then i read there ancestors eat more milk and meat than current okinaways.. (mainly they more goat and goat milk)


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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 15, 2009, 11:48:47 pm »
Does anyone have an idea for how many fat calories Traditional okinawas got? (exmple 40% calories from fat)
in most modern books of the OKinawas they say they got less than 10% of calories from fat and most of that was vegetable fat and they ate at little as 1oz of meat a day)
is this true?

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 15, 2009, 09:28:12 pm »
beef is a main staple in my town...

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 15, 2009, 10:36:26 am »
Is beef lard equally good?


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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 15, 2009, 03:10:48 am »
I wonder if those are daily meals or just like special event recipes. Because im not sure how much access to meat these people would of had. it seems they would have slaughters only occasionally and usually before a special event.Sometimes you have to be careful about recipes, im not sure of these were all the time recipes or only on rare occasions/holidays.

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General Discussion / BOAR meat
« on: October 14, 2009, 03:17:34 am »
Does anyone eat BOAR meat ?

is it a lot healthier than regular pork meat?

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 14, 2009, 03:15:12 am »
i know this forum disagrees on milk... But i do think goat milk , sheep milk are great foods to have.


rawzi thank you that link though.. very interesting

do you have any more links confirming there diet was high fat ish?

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 14, 2009, 03:12:41 am »
this video would disagree with the diet link you have posted..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mspy_QFyTFE

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 06, 2009, 11:06:39 am »
I dont think they eat a lot of pork, pork is only like a garnish, the bulk of there meals are whole grains, yams, veggies.

i have heard that eat .8lb of meat a day

about .5lb of fish and .3lb of usually pork or another animal.


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General Discussion / Re: Average Paleo Diet
« on: October 06, 2009, 01:08:33 am »
This makes sense but then it doesn't. Whenever I read articles about are ancestors whoever writes the articles makes very good points for supporting there claims. This is why its so debatable because I find good information were meant to be vegetarians then i find good sources were near carnivores.... The truth always lies in the middle?

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I guess the biggest problem for me is texture of raw meat in my mouth... But i have no problem consuming medium rare steaks.
But i do enjoy raw eggs and i take raw liver tablets.

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Hot Topics / Re: Health of okinawas
« on: October 05, 2009, 09:11:59 pm »
they eat raw goat meat to,, its a common dish from what i read.

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but its all guess work, we definitely dont know eating all raw lots of meat will bring optimal health; for some may enjoy this and feel good but someone like me i always crave cooked food; i dont know why maybe social conditioning. Theres really no living proof. I dont know of anyone over 100 year olds that even eats close to this way from what i been studying

I did find someone who died that recommended a raw food diet; Armand Tanny, people say he use to eat everything raw including meat, he lived to 90. Im not sure if he only folllowed this diet when he was young or continued to when he was 90.

I want to find the optimal human diet, do i guess and hope that a raw meat based diet is best? or do i study living proof? I dont know.

this is why i am here to learn more about this way.

maybe i'll just force myself todo 100% raw for awhile....

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well i always try to todo raw foods but then always eat cooked..

then i find more good information on raw then go back to all raw, then i read cooked food isnt really that bad then i start eating cooked

i can never make up my mind..  :(
i mean do like the the way raw makes me feel, but when i cook a meal it makes me feel warm and good.
its very hard

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