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General Discussion / Re: RAF seems unnerving to mother.
« on: November 01, 2009, 07:52:10 am »
I bet you could strike a bargain with her.  First, tell her you agree to no ground beef or chicken.  Tell her you will eat only beef steaks.  That will already make her feel better.  Next, tell yer that you will agree to cook just the very outside of the steak on very low heat so that it is lightly browned, all the bacteria is supposed to be on the outside anyways, right mom?  If you get thick steaks, you're getting like 97% raw.  That will give you the vast majority of all the benefits you can get from the diet anyways. 

The fact that you're getting raw animal products - even if you have the occasional spaghetti - is HUGE.  The main benefits of this diet (IMO) are derived from the removal of cooked fats, addition of live enzymes, and addition of raw fat/protein.  Carbs can be cooked or not, just don't overdo it. 

Also I might ask her:
 - Have you ever eaten cookie dough?  --well that has raw eggs in it
 - Have you ever eaten sushi?  --people get served sushi all the time.  You wouldn't mind if I was eating raw fish
 - What about raw oysters?
 - What about over easy eggs?

And last but not least, I know how difficult it can be to have an actual, calm conversation with a stubborn/ignorant person (even more so with Mom).  But if you lose your cool you won't get far... be warned, she knows your buttons may (will) try to push em - why mom's are like that I don't know.  Just do your best to keep things calm and rational, even if she's not, and try to strike a deal.

haha, maybe spend a few days in preparation, talking more extreme than she's used to.  Talk about eating egg shells, raw liver/organs, high meat, zero carb (sorry zc'ers), etc.  Give it a rest for a few days, and then go back and ASK her if yall can talk about a compromise.  She'll be so worried about you eating spoiled meat, that when you finally agree to just eat barely browned steaks, she'll prob be all sorts of gratefull that you're not talking crazy anymore.

Good luck.  Keep us posted.

thanks a lot.  I will give that a go.

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General Discussion / Re: RAF seems unnerving to mother.
« on: November 01, 2009, 07:46:59 am »
That's strange. Wheat is a huge acne-breakout (among other symptoms) food for me and is more strongly connected to acne than almost any food besides possibly sugar, if I recall correctly from my past research (although dairy is strongly linked too--so if you add cheese to the spaghetti you give yourself a double-whammy). From the perspective of nearly any variety of Paleo diet, spaghetti is one of the most unhealthy foods on earth for humans. Why not eat a slightly less toxic but also inexpensive food? Most spaghetti is refined too. Do you eat whole-grain, non-wheat spaghetti or something?

My acne finally cleared up completely when I eliminated all plant foods from my diet. So if you are indeed going to try all-RAFD, perhaps it will work for you too.

How and what plant foods are linked to acne?  folk at acne.org would assume otherwise b/c of the nutrient density of fruit and veggies. Some claim it helps their acne  by making *green smoothies* or eating them whole but that never worked for me. Also why is spaghetti the most unhealthy amongst other foods?  aside from the cooked meat ( if you incorporate beef  into your spaghetti)

link to the pasta I use-http://www.wholefoodsmarket.com/products/item.php?RID=347

W/ Ground beef ( grainfed)

Sauce-http://www.thedailyplate.com/nutrition-calories/food/trader-joes/organic-marinara-sauce

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General Discussion / Re: RAF seems unnerving to mother.
« on: October 31, 2009, 10:56:00 am »
Thanks for the responses, I really appreciate it.


 

  

    Why spaghetti?  I know it's inexpensive and has no fiber, but just curious as to what you say.


Well I have an acne problem. A lot of foods * particularly anything processed/refined or fried* tend to give me large  and very painful inflamed acne bumps a day or two after i consume them. Rice, baked chicken, beans, and spaghetti seem to be the only foods that dont break me out.    And also because i can buy spaghetti in abundance, yes, inexpensive and fillin' to the tummy. This is just another reason why I want to switch to a RAFD.

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General Discussion / RAF seems unnerving to mother.
« on: October 31, 2009, 05:00:15 am »
In an nutshell, my mom thinks its foul, disgusting, inhumane and intolerable. Obviously the social conditioning of cooked food seems innately programmed to the point where she automatically rejects the idea of this type of lifestyle.   No matter how many links of information i send her, or no matter how many times i  try to talk to her, she never seems convinced.

Today's little episode started off with her putting a piece of paper on my door stating how chrons disease can be linked to unwashed produce and raw meat.   i read it, balled it up, threw it in the trash and said * I'm still eat'n raw meat" .  She said....................  " Thats very sad". i replied "  I think its sad how you wont research any of this and its sad how you are forming your conclusions based on your personal beliefs".  The dialog went on, at this point I urged her to do some research, and she kept flat out saying no. She then says * you have until December to make the shed as habitable as possible.  You should also live in the wild and live like an animal since you want to eat like one* when you get sick again ( i was sick with a fever, loose stools and a cold--dont know if any of this could have been linked to the raw meat i  was eating there's a thread on it) dont come to me asking for hep because you're not my responsibility.  I said "Fine".

At this point i'm extremely annoyed at her willful ignorance on the subject. I dont know what to do and i surely dont have any money to move out on my own at the moment. i kept telling her I wont eat the meat around her but she doesn't care.   I've been eating cooked spaghetti ever since i recovered from my sickness but more so because i dont know whether it was that time of the year or because it was due to the meat.    It was all grainfed Whole Foods meat. I will resume my raw meat intake once i have a job so i can purchase grassfed.  i urged her to do some research on the subject but, she says "nope".  so annoying, don't know what to do.. honestly i dont really care, i just want her to break loose from her social conditioning a little.

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General Discussion / Re: Watery Stools
« on: October 16, 2009, 05:28:18 am »
Well i'm feeling much better today.   I think i'll wait until I have enough money for grass-fed meat before i start consuming any raw meat again.

I felt absolutely horrible, not sure if it was "unfriendly bacteria"  "fat" or the grainfed..

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General Discussion / Re: Watery Stools
« on: October 14, 2009, 12:52:08 am »
 only eat when I'm hungry.

I guess I'm slacking on the protein/fat thing.  I kinda paid it no mind just eating chunks of fat with ground beef.


I eat morning/noon, evening and night.   Pretty much the same thing, ground beef raw eggs.

I also have a mild cough.

Would it be wise to eat right about now,  my stomach is killing me

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General Discussion / Re: Watery Stools
« on: October 13, 2009, 11:37:15 pm »
Thanks for responding.

I still have Ground beef in the fridge. And i havent eaten anything since yesterday afternoon. 

I'm not sure at this point if its wise to eat anything raw until later?

I cant take my stool to a lab, dont have the money for it.   

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General Discussion / Watery Stools
« on: October 13, 2009, 11:04:08 pm »
Hello People.

For the past 5 days i've embarked on a omnivorous paleo diet consuming probably 2 pounds of ground beef a day. i would eat a baby red tomato and an avocado, and drink an egg before I start eating anf another one after i finish eating.   I have also been consuming chucks of beef fat with every meal.

Ever since last night, I fell as if i have a fever and my waste has been watery/loose.  And i've been feeling these periodic pains that come n go as if my body was tryna get rid of some waste, but did not get rid of any ( cant explain the pains, if i knew the human anatomy well I could point out where the pain was).

I'm sure there are cases of this on the board, i did some searchin but each case was different so i'd just like a few different perspectives on this.  

My Body had been digesting raw meat fine when i first started. Of course i'll give it some time, but just really wanna know whatsup with this.  Could it be the ground beef?   I really cant afford anything else right now in terms of more solid meat.

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General Discussion / Re: Iris colour change on a raw animal food diet
« on: October 13, 2009, 10:55:19 am »
Thanks.. any validation to this?

"Eating raw unpasteurised milk and cream, along with juiced vegetables can change your eye colour. Mine wnet from light brwon to grey over a year on this diet; it is the result of detoxification.

This will not, however, apply to people of African or oriental descent who are born with "black" eyes. It only applies to people of european descent whose natrually blue eyes are clouded by toxins in cooked food.

I know this sounds absurd but it has happened to me and I have seen it happen to others."

from http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/329691

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General Discussion / Re: Iris colour change on a raw animal food diet
« on: October 13, 2009, 02:37:15 am »
I am afro-american, my eyes are dark brown.

Should I expect to see a change in the near future if i stick with this lifestyle?


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Info / News Items / Announcements / Re: New youtube video re raw diet
« on: October 12, 2009, 06:10:41 am »
Dope.

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General Discussion / Re: underweight
« on: October 11, 2009, 10:08:52 pm »
So are avocados good then?   

I was reading this thread ...

http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/omnivorous-raw-paleo/talk-about-avocados/

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General Discussion / Re: underweight
« on: October 11, 2009, 04:35:10 pm »
Guittarman what are your sources for carbs?

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General Discussion / Re: underweight
« on: October 11, 2009, 05:48:06 am »
I am also concerned with being under weight.

I am 6'1 and weigh 147 ibs

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General Discussion / Re: Mixed meats in 1 sitting
« on: October 11, 2009, 05:41:57 am »
why not eat eggs with meats?

just curious because thats what i've been doing for the past few days

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General Discussion / Re: Blood in meats
« on: October 11, 2009, 12:33:02 am »
thanks!!

the brisket i ate was very tuff.  really had to use my canine teeth for that one!  next time i'll have whole foods cut it up into mini squares or something i find using a knife to cut it is kinda tedious. I just chewed through it until i was able to  rip it apart and swallow. The blood tasted a bit stale, not really good nor bad.  Didn't get to try the chicken because my mom bought the pack from a supermarket.  

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General Discussion / Earthlings-Documentary
« on: October 10, 2009, 08:50:39 pm »
Great film for those who have never seen it.

From wiki:

Earthlings is a documentary about human dependence on animals for pets, food, clothing, entertainment, and use in experimentation.

GRAPHIC!

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=7584730387826688635#

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Hi! Newcomer here
« on: October 10, 2009, 01:56:37 pm »
word...


That brisket was tuff!

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Hi! Newcomer here
« on: October 10, 2009, 01:24:03 pm »
Hye!

i spoke with her about the H.H and sent her the wiki link and links to studies which support it.  If she read/ looked into it then she would assume otherwise.

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Hi! Newcomer here
« on: October 10, 2009, 01:14:28 pm »
Hi!

Unfortunately Whole Foods grass-fed meat is a bit more expensive so its grain-fed.


On a side note, after already discussing paleo with mom she flips out when i mentioned my last meals and says that "it's a stupid thing to do!".  Shes received emails about this from me already. that said, while mom was yelling I tried talking with her and she'd  cut me off with mentions of bacteria and sickness. Further in, I wanted to bring up a few points on cooking and she cuts me off with " Oh Please we been cookin' fah-eva!"  If i recall, she said something to the extent of "I 'ont know why you eat'n raw meat. like you some D**N animal"   it's almost like she doesn't want to learn about it. She seems to be intimidated by the idea and shes ready to "kick me out". never mind that, how do you get someone to open up to this if they will not accept information?   its like she had her fingers in her ears yelling out " lahh laah laah" the way she was telling me how she "don't wanna hear it" whenever i tried to speak.  It's annoying!


time to eat  ;D

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General Discussion / Re: Blood in meats
« on: October 10, 2009, 06:45:45 am »
ok.

Thanks!

I'm almost certain it is grainfed because whole Foods have grass fed alternatives which i cant afford right now.


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General Discussion / Blood in meats
« on: October 10, 2009, 06:37:11 am »
Hi!

Today i'm deciding to feast on 1/2 lb of raw beef chuck, 3 raw eggs, a raw chicken leg, and half cut brisket.


I've been eating beef chuck for the past two days but when I get to the heavier meats, should I be concerned with any oozing blood from the meat?  Do I rinse it off?  better yet, is it safe to consume?

Thanks!

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Hi! Newcomer here
« on: October 09, 2009, 08:57:44 pm »
just finished my a pound of raw beef chuck!!!!!
I was really hungry too..

it was relly good...


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General Discussion / Re: Acne and Paleo Diet
« on: October 08, 2009, 11:27:20 am »
Great to hear the wonders of this lifestyle...

I cant wait to begin...

On average how much do you people spend on food a week?

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Omnivorous Raw Paleo Diet / Re: Hi! Newcomer here
« on: October 07, 2009, 09:10:34 pm »
Thanks for all the input.

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