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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 23, 2010, 12:25:22 pm »
But we live in 2010 year, not in paleo times. We've got a lot of more bacteria, somo of the mutated, some of them man-made - it doesn't matter. What matters is that THEY EXIST and we've got to live with them.
The same bacteria can be nothing for us and for others could by deadly.

I don't think we're really disagreeing here, but just to reiterate, I believe all bacteria in its natural, non mutated or genetically altered state is generally a beneficial janitor. Of course our putrid and chemical society changes the equation, but my main point is, it is no way a justification for the Germ Theory which is one of the biggest lies ever told of the last millennium.

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So why don't swimmers have major health problems?

Are you kidding? 5 years of competitive swimming wreaked havoc on my sinus passages and has dried my skin out immeasurably. That and I am sure it has caused some minor respiratory damage. Swimmers are notoriously known to suffer problems related to this later in life.

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    I could never stand public pools that use lots of chlorine and chlorinated showers.  My breathing passages and eyes always bothered me in those situations.  I don't like drinking tap-water either.  Not sure, I guess I'd agree, drinking is not as bad as breathing it.

Haha I see your point. I actually have a dechlorinator on my tap but if I had to ingest the pure chlorine I think I'd prefer to jump in the pool, but both are horrible options. Swimming pools scar skin cells, and pound the sinuses and body with horrible chloroform.

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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 21, 2010, 05:47:07 am »
Your arguments are really funny.


Why? If you're claiming a healthy person would not be adversely affected by botulism then we are in essence making the same argument, bacteria can only feed on dead or decaying cells, correct? Again though, you have to explain to me how botulism is not a consequence of the industrial age if there is no record of it before then?

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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 21, 2010, 04:09:08 am »
That's not true. Put the meat into the glass jar, seal it thoroughly, do not air it for a month or so and you'll probably get that Clostridium botulinum. Go to laborabory and they'll tell you.

Again, botulism has no pre-industrial age history, which indicates that it is largely a by product of human created toxicity. As for your claim you can create it in a glass jar, I find that highly dubious, and I'm not about to trust any laboratory funded by pharmaceutical companies, which 99.9% are.

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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 21, 2010, 03:43:07 am »
What about Clostridium botulinum, Bacillus anthracis, Clostridium tetani or Vibrio cholerae? Do you think that they all are beneficial? If so, have you got any proof?

Regarding botulism, my suspicion is that this is another man-made mutated agent. The rural third world never sees incidents of botulism due to a lack of canned food sources and possible contaminants placed by food companies. Anthrax as it is used in biological warfare is without a doubt a mutated agent of man, I don't really think its necessary to substantiate that one further. As for cholera and others, I'm not sure, but given that it has a tendency to be absorbed through drinking contaminated waters in third world countries, I strongly suspect it is caused by toxic runoffs of some sort from certain industrial dumping grounds. Especially when you consider it only came into wide proliferation at the beginning of the industrial age. In this case it might not be a deliberately laboratory-made mutation, rather it could be a janitorial bacteria that exists in light of extreme toxicity in water supplies.

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Chloroform?  Chlorine, I think you meant.

Chlorine vapors are chloroform.

I used to get ear infections once a month when I was a swimmer, naively thinking it was because the pool wasn't properly treated. Actually it was because it was overtreated. Nowdays I'd rather drink municipal tap water than swim in a pool.

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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 21, 2010, 02:50:47 am »
You're right that not all the bacteria are beneficial - the natural balance between good ones and bad ones is what it's really important.
If you eat cooked foods you you've got zero good bateria, because they are anihilated and you'll only get bad bacteria, which develop after some time.

This is also not true. There is no such thing as a harmful bacteria. This is like substantiating the fraudulent claim that bacteria causes tooth decay, when it is the detox of the brains heavy metals and chemicals out of the dentine that causes the decay, at which point bacteria occupies the decay to keep it from becoming a cesspool. Bacteria our bodies don't actively work in conjunction with are there as janitors to clean out dead cells. The only harmful bacteria are bacterial mutations made in a laboratory.

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Swimming pools are a cesspool for toxins, mostly from the chloroform. I was a swimmer for 5 years and still suffer greatly from damaged sinus and ear cavities. If you're going to swim at all, do it in the ocean, or a non-polluted fresh water source.

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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 20, 2010, 08:08:08 am »
Humans rely on on their environment to stay alive too. It doesn't mean they won't cripple and exploit it.

If there is so much good in faeces, why would it be faeces?

Why would we need bacteria to digest meat? We have stomach acid which is meant to kill bacteria and if they survive in to the intestines that's not a good thing. We have acids, enzymes and emulsifiers (etc..) to digest the meat/fat. Bacteria living in the large intestine live off what we were unable to digest, of which there should be little.

It's not a blind fear. If something can continue to survive and reproduce, it'll continue to exist. It doesn't care as such how it does it. One organism could live off of another's undigested food peacefully for a life time, passing out eggs or copies in its' hosts' faeces and perhaps be beneficial, causing a little bit of gas but by chance also stopping the person's system from getting clogged up. If the parasitic organism(eu or prokaryotik) wasn't there, perhaps the host organism would've either died out or needed to evolve some other system for preventing blockage.

Another parasite could find a way of sending its' eggs in to the blood-stream to wait in cysts, then to hatch-out and use the surrounding host-cells for food. It doesn't matter if it kills its' host because something else will eat the host and the cycle can begin again. It could even(through selection) lie dormant for a period by which its' preferred host-species would usually have produced off-spring, if it struggles to survive in other hosts.  Either that, or you could get parasites which can live symbiotically with one host, but be greatly detrimental to another.

Really I am shocked. I don't even know what to say here. If you believe in the Germ Theory what are you doing eating raw? If you really believe bacteria has nothing to do with digestion, try a course of antibiotics for a month and see how you feel.

Stomach acid killing bacteria? That is an outright fraud. Bacteria works beautifully in conjunction with stomach acid to facilitate digestion, it is not harmed by it. But again, don't take my word for it, try a course of antibiotics for a month, if you are right, you will have nothing to lose.


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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 19, 2010, 09:48:59 am »
But the parasite has made reactions between the chemicals in the food, which give it energy, but render it useless to the fish. The fish then gets the waste-products. For the faeces of the parasite to become useful again, they would have to be acted upon by bacteria/fungi, then taken up by plant-life which will not be present within the fish.

This wouldn't be the issue however in this case, but it could be relevant to large gut-parasites such as tape-worms in humans.


Sorry I'm having a hard time understanding what you are writing here. Symbiont excrement serves as a more concentrated form of food, which our villi can immediately take up, no need for further bacterial digestion. This is why Aajonus recommends people eat shit from a healthy animal if they can't dissolve a tumor. They are injecting a wonderful concentration of nutrients in a brief period to finish the detoxification.

Anyways you are not distinguishing between janitorial and digestive symbionts (even though all worms perform both tasks), tapeworms are focused more on janitorial tasks rather than aiding digestion.

You really need to get over your phobia of nature, do you think a tapeworm would instinctively try to weaken its host and risk death? Don't be silly. They want nothing more than a vibrant healthy host, because that in turn helps them.

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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 18, 2010, 03:52:36 am »
http://izismile.com/2009/09/09/the_tongue_eating_louse_is_a_gross_parasite_living_in_a_fishs_mouth_18_pics.html

Holy... Effing... Bujeebuss... What... The... Eff...

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You're only reacting this way due to social conditioning. Symbiosis is a wonderful thing and benefits many lifeforms. Imagine, this fish can now get a direct injection of digested nutrients straight from its living tongue. It is likely much more vibrant and enjoys longer life from this relationship.

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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 12, 2010, 11:43:34 pm »
So what happens when these parasites eat all the bad shit inside you? If you are very sick, will they grow tremendously in size? And then when there is no bad tissue left, and you are on a raw diet which keeps you from producing bad tissue, do they start eating good tissue? Do they die? Just curious.

Spearman, let us know how your experiment goes!

My understanding is the janitorial tapeworms will be passed when there is no more decaying matter, but given our societal toxicity, I think you'd have to live pretty much in the jungle to ever reach that point. The digestive symbionts are likely to stay on a permanent basis if there is not over toxicity and the diet is raw and healthy. I think in the experiments AV mentions, the people infused with the worms lost them after 5 months more than likely because of continuing to eat garbage cooked food which eventually overwhelmed the whipworm.

I'll write a report on the trichinosis but I want to wait until I feel the symbiotic response. No point beginning a journal only to fail to have them bind with me.

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Hot Topics / Re: Tapeworms.
« on: February 12, 2010, 12:38:44 pm »
Really this thread is disappointing as hell. I would think more people on here would be educated on the true nature of parasites. Tapeworms in my understanding are just janitorial parasites that feed on decaying material. Since people who eat cooked food are by default already ingesting decayed matter, they naturally don't get any nutrients and become skinny and emaciated. However this has nothing to do with someone on a raw diet who will benefit from having Tapeworms rapidly detoxify them while replenishing the body with vital living foods which are utilized in spite of the tapeworm, hence symbiosis.

Read my first posts on this forum, I used to be terrified I had parasites and was sure it was the cause for my problems. Actually, it is the exact opposite. My lab tests indicate I USED to have a parasite which I lost somewhere along the line (likely from pointless antiparasitical herbs) and since then I suspect I started my progressive decline. Now I am going through such horrible neurological/endocrine detox from 5 years of SSRIs that I've decided to deliberately infuse myself with the Trichinosis whipworm by eating pig intestines. Trichinosis is actually indigenous to primitive humans and serves as a digestive symbiont (not janitorial), taking our food and transforming it via its excretions into readily available nutrients at 50 times the rate of bacteria. I need this increased digestion to rapidly heal and help build my nervous system and glandular system which is currently suffering tremendously. This is not a "theory", trichinosis is supposed to be living in symbiosis with me. I fully expect that 10 days from now I will be reaping tremendous benefits. Does it make sense that we can eat high meat but parasites are still bad? Give me a break, the germ theory is not just bunk in regards to bacteria. It is bunk period.

Then again, I might be too toxic to form symbiosis. But I am not worried about getting upset stomach and diarrhea from it. The very notion is hilarious. Been there, done that.

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General Discussion / Re: Pork
« on: January 14, 2010, 10:37:15 pm »
  Yes. That is a very good point made by Aajonus. That said the study did involve special parasites designed solely for pigs(ie they only survive for some weeks in the human gut as a result, last I checked).  And maybe it only benefits those with IBS as opposed to other symptoms. Whatever the case, continuing research on the Hygiene Hypothesis theory re the benefits of bacteria and parasites continues to show that many of AV's most controversial claims re high-meat etc. have ultimately been proven right.

It's also true that our digestive track is similar to that of a pigs, so it would make sense that a symbiont that benefits pigs could have some benefit for us. In any case if I decide to go down the route of consuming pig intestines I will write up a small report about it.

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General Discussion / Re: Pork
« on: January 14, 2010, 10:02:17 pm »
According to Aajonus, Trichinosis is one of the most desirable parasites you could want for digestion. He even recommended I try eating pig intestines so I could get it. Apparently many people suffering chronic ibs who have been given this whip worm have discovered their digestion improves phenomenally. I still haven't decided whether I will try to intentionally contract it.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: RVAF -- Newbie
« on: January 14, 2010, 05:44:28 am »
Well I know most people here will disagree, but raw cheese is something some of us do well with, mostly those of us on the primal diet which is not 100% paleolithic. I have found it useful for absorbing and eliminating toxins in the gut and for bouts of diarrhea. However, I plan to diminish my cheese intake as time goes on. As for chocolate, I think there are some substitutes that can be made. Aajonus has a nice chocolate substitute recipe I think which works. I don't see why you would do without sausages unless you mean having them cooked. I have eaten plenty of turkey sausages raw and enjoyed them quite a bit.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: January 14, 2010, 01:10:33 am »
I am not sure what to think. On the one hand I am three weeks into AV's plan for me and I don't feel any real improvements, on the other hand I was on a pretty much RPD three weeks before AV and I didn't go through a "quick detox" either, I started getting heavy itching, fungal type reactions BEFORE I went to PD and that has now largely subsided. Since my stool test revealed I had a very abundant fungal infection and I just eliminated lexapro, it stands to reason I may need a longer time to fully eliminate the fungus as it runs its course. Also my colon has been having problems for years so I doubt a short detox period is realistic. That being said, AV said my type of heavy detox lasts up to 6 weeks. Since I am halfway through, if in three weeks I am still toxic, then I'll have to assume something is not working, and maybe start eliminating dairy products. In any case, my intention has never been to use PD (bar butter and maybe cheese) as a maintenance diet, but since I have a specific plan to follow for healing it seemed like a good initial option to follow to restore digestive integrity and give me back some of that flora I need to live (barring any heavy allergies which I don't think I have).


No offense intended Tyler but your claim that only a small minority can do well with raw dairy seems to me to be as unlikely as AV's claim that raw dairy allergies don't exist. I think the likelihood is there is a middle ground somewhere on this. However, I do believe RPD is better for long term health.

The one thing I'm curious about is that my stools now, though they are loose this week, are now green instead of pale, I wonder if this is a good sign indicating bile activity has picked up again?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: January 13, 2010, 04:27:28 am »
Well, my own (raw-and pasteurised dairy-allergies manifested themselves in all sorts of ways, indeed they were the primary source of my troubles other than the cooked animal food. My chronic fatigue/anxiety- and other  adrenal-related issues were directly the result of raw and pasteurised dairy as were various skin and eye-problems(eg:- severely bloodshot eyes), along with the severe constipation and wrecked digestive system(though, to be fair, the dairy was worse than any cooked animal food I ate, as regards constipation). Dairy, raw or otherwise, also almost made me lose all my teeth, led to severe muscle-wastage  etc. After many years, I've come to accept that a small minority may  do well on raw dairy, but I'm pretty sure it's a tiny minority, given the fact that so many of those who've claimed to me that they were doing fine on a little raw dairy, have, subsequently, over the years, grudgingly admitted to me, that they didn't do so well after all, with it, and felt better without.

If this is the case and you really believe that the majority of people are allergic to raw dairy, what would you prescribe for someone like me that needs to be constantly absorbing and eliminating extremely caustic toxins being dumped into my stomach? Papaya is a poor substitute to raw unsalted cheese for this from what I know.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: January 13, 2010, 03:23:58 am »
So it turns out I have a liver and pancreatic deficiency caused by a serious colon problem (low bifidobactor, ph balance off, etc.). Aajonus has perscribed me lots of cheese hourly to absorb toxins I am dumping into my gut as well as lots of eggs. So far I would say I am about 10% better than what I was. This weekend I ran for 1 hour nonstop almost instinctively and felt pretty good, but then of course I am still having my noontime energy drop indicative of stage 2 adrenal fatigue, which Aajonus says, and I believe, is really just a side effect of my bad digestion and nothing really chronic. I still have a lot of healing to do however. I still need to cleanse out a lot of the fungal infection caused by the ssri lexapro (which I'm now completely off of) though itching is substantially less now. Still have mouth sours and some gum bleeding, but at least I have regained 10 lbs back to 170 after losing enormous amounts of weight from the flu in early December. I also had my first piece of high meat today, fermented outside for a month, but I didn't really feel any high or anything much, I suppose it needs more time still.

My only question for you guys is, given that most of you are abstaining from dairy, I wanted to know what your typical raw dairy allergies are like? I seem to not get any discernible difference between consuming dairy and not doing so, so I don't think I have the raw dairy allergies, plus right now raw cheese is really helpful for me to absorb those toxins.


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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 08, 2009, 05:49:03 am »
So I think I've entered a new stage in my recovery. I've started having lots of diarrhea today and yesterday and generally feel sick and a tad bit warm, but not yet feverish. The good news is, my stomach is for the most part calm now. I think I brought this on by not marinating my meats in lemon anymore. It has eliminated my acid reflux and horrible dryness. Itching on skin has for the most part subsided. Strangely, even though I am still fatigued and feel sickly, I also feel pretty calm, I guess my high adrenaline can't kick in in this state.


I'm actually strangely optimistic now even though I feel pretty much like I have the flu, although I'm not sure I actually do to be honest. Bad news is my mom is going to be crashing at my pad this week, and she is super anti-raw anything, so I am going to have to sneak most of my meals at work.

Overall, is my optimism justified?

I'm hoping I'm near the end of the storm. In any case, cleaning myself out like this can't be a bad thing per se.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 05, 2009, 03:34:06 am »
So I'm pretty much itching after everything I eat and my mouth and skin are very dried out. I'm feeling dehydrated and of course regular water does nothing for me but make me feel more dry. I've had a little success with papaya in a puree so far, but the itchiness remains. Must be my gastric juices being insufficient at this point? This is really becoming disconcerting.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 04, 2009, 10:49:06 am »
Not true. Some of us here on the forum eschew both of these and have still made marked strides in repairing our digestion and our health.  :)

True. I'll just have to keep trying to see what can bring me the balance I need. I might do a consult with AV as well if I'm not better within a week. I do well with Raw cheese nd raw butter anyways.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 04, 2009, 02:37:14 am »
Actually scratch what I just said above. I think it's more a question of stomach acidity causing itchiness. I've just had some raw ground lamb which I supposedly have no tolerance to and I still have some itching. Could this be a detox by some chance?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Advice on how to heal the gut
« on: December 04, 2009, 02:25:26 am »
   You're welcome.  

    I actually had other stuff health-wise going on too, but the day I described I was totally fatigued.  

    I remember, well, my son got sick a few years ago, and after trying everything alternative we could find, we then were trying with a doctor.  

    This doctor gave him about eight different types of medicines all at the same time.  My son's digestion got totally ruined when previously it was mostly only reflux during this illness.  Anyway, the doctor was wrong and to save my son from possible death my son and I decided he should not take four of the medicine and go to a good traditional acupuncturist.  

    One treatment, and his digestion was worlds better.  

    I hear acupuncture started when soldiers looked dead during a battle, and they were laid at the side on rocks to keep the bodies out of the way until after the battle, or something like that.  I don't know if it's true.  Anyway, enough of them would recover from appearing dead after laying on the rocks.  Supposedly acupuncture was developed by observing this.  So, I think something based on rocks might be considered somewhat paleo.  

    Have you tried acupuncture?  No pharmaceuticals involved and my son got well enough even though he did not drink the acupuncturist's herbs.  

Yeah I have an acupuncturist and it does help. I might try to schedule something for tomorrow if I can. He's not as traditional as most though. I just wish I had a clear cut plan of what to do to get better. Food sensitivities is an issue always in the back of my mind too. I'm supposedly moderately sensitive to eggs (probably less for raw) and honey (again, likely less for raw) and yet both of these are the staples of any digestional healing regimen. The itching I get in my throat and in small places all over my body after eating is really unnerving and tells me something is wrong, and yet just a few days ago my stomach was incredibly calm. I think I'm going to try my chicken broth for a while and eat ground turkey, and let the raw eggs aside, they might not be helping. For all I know they are what caused the problem!

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