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Dude, they probably put this bastard 'Sodium Diacetate' and 'Potassium Lactate' in your beef mince to preserve it since it's more exposed than steak. I had stopped buying the shitty supermarket beef-mince because it has it in, so I went to the butcher and they told me they hadn't put anything in their so I bought it. I guess they didn't but someone else did because I could taste it and it's messed me up. Same discomfort/headache/tiredness and repulsion from eating it. I know it's the stuff, because I went to a supermarket butcher who minced the meat in front of me and it tasted great.

It could be, but I don't buy my meat from the grocery store, I get it from a butcher shop where they claim that nothing is added at all to their meat. The meat however is still grain finished (can't afford grass fed meat) and obviously not the best quality but I personally think that my hatred for raw ground beef has to do with the texture of it  -\

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I've always gravitated towards chuck cuts personally. The meat is more flavorful, the fat is tasty and well distributed, and the cut is so much cheaper than other cuts as it's a tougher cut (when cooked, not so much when raw ;D).

Ya I agree, I've only been eating raw meat for 5 days now but I have to say that I really enjoy the taste of raw chuck steak but I absolutely despise the taste of raw ground beef. It's weird...

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Does science back up the claim that excess protein is converted to glucose?   or is there a certain % of protein that is converted to glucose regardless of the quantity consummed?     

See that's the main problem, I don't think science really knows because I've read different things from different medical bloggers and different pubmed articles. Some say that all extra protein is converted to glucose, others say only the amount needed by the body is converted to glucose while the rest of the protein not needed is discarded and I've also read that only the amount needed of protein is converted to the body while the rest ends up being stored as fat. So who knows, I guess it would be interesting if a solid amount of people on this forum tried doing this type of experiment for a week and just see what happens

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Yes Katelyn, I post at different forums but I dont post the same exact paragraph in each thread. Yes, you are right I'm not very charming and I do have energy problems as in I can't train like I would like in my MMA practice, but at least I don't have an ed.

Redfulcrum, I apologize too since to be honest I have to give you the benefit of the doubt because it is possible that you are telling the truth. However, the only beef I really have with you know is that you didn't do a carnivorous diet because you said it yourself, you drank a lot of beer (carbs)and ate avocados and rice (carbs) so it's hard to say if those carbs might have played a role in your success as well.

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alright redfulcrum, you win! I'm a stupid hater. You're right

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oh really forthehunt? I'm a douchebag because I asked for explanations or some kind of proof but instead I got silly nonsensical answers and analogies? Perhaps afterwards, I've been a sarcastic "douchebag" as you claim but at least I'm not gullible like you. How about you actually read the bellevue trial or google rabbit starvation if you really want to know what happens when a person stuffs themselves with lean meat. Or better yet, prove this douchebag wrong, take some pictures of yourself now and do mr. redfulcrums experiment for a week (even though it takes less than that lol) and after you've build the 10 pounds of muscles you can not only TELL us how great it was but actually SHOW us...

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I bet the one in front.

That pink shirt is a lot pinker than my pink shirt!  :D

Actually it turns out that redfulcrum is the dark skinned guy with the pink shirt. No wonder you gained 10 pounds of muscle when you were extremely skinny to begin with...

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Yup sure did, I learned that Asian people on internet forums are more entertaining than some of the comedians on comedy central, but somehow I don't think that was the lesson you wanted me to learn  ;D
I wish I was a think tank like you so I could not only understand your super high intelligence theories but also to get all the girls... okay okay i'll give it one more try, let me re-read your post...  :o

I totally get it now, you are SOO RIGHT! That cow analogy just made everything so clear, how did I not think of this before (well I'm not a think tank duh), your theory has absolutely no flaws now!
I mean regardless if during the bellevue trial, the scientist tried to force Stefansson to eat just lean meat for a week and the only results they got was weakness, loss of weight, diarrea, etc... (basically rabbit starvation) They must have just forgot to put in the results that Stefansson grew 10 pounds of muscle!
OH and who cares about those reports from explorers talking about different hunter gatherers who would actually refuse to eat lean meat and actually munch on some vegetation instead. They just didn't know what you knew! How foolish where they thinking that they needed FAT or at least carbs to go with protein...  ;D
I know, I know, it sounds like I'm just a hater who is going to be a slave with the rest of society but hey you should at least be somewhat happy that I do agree with some things that you said, mostly that I think it's good for the human body to once in a while gorge on meat. However, I have a problem with your macronutrient ratios. Don't get me wrong, I don't think there is any magical ratio that a human needs to measure on a daily basis but to purposely set protein intake over 50% of daily calories, in my opinion is not a good idea. But the thing is, I'm starting to think that in reality we aren't actually disagreeing, I just think your estimates on how much protein to fat you are eating are wrong (so much for Asians being good at math too....), even if a person were to eat just chuck steaks and therefore including the thin but visible surrounding fat they would in reality be consuming around 60% of calories from FAT!

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College Professor? They actually make sensible arguments... so Beyonce has that nice ass because she eats 1000 grams of protein from lean meat?  -\ ooops never mind you don't care I'll  -X

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wodgina actually Klowcarb was off topic but I guess you too failed to also read the original redfulcrum post. However, it's true that at least this thread is not the most off topic place she has posted that SAME EXACT PARAGRAPH. I guess since both redfulcrum and klowcarb are talking about raw meat then I guess that means the topic the same to you even though they are doing the complete opposite... Either way, I don't think she's a troll, It's hard to explain but I've actually gotten to know her after 8 months of reading her posts and I think she just craves online attention... but I could definitely be wrong

Redfulcrum, I don't even know where to begin on answering your comments. You've brought such great arguments to the table:water holes and not being thirsty, former soviet union, cows and lions and black girl's nice asses. I especially like that last one about black girl's nice asses, wtf? first it depends on a persons definition of nice and secondly from what i know most Americans (so including black girls) eat high carbs and not 1000 grams of protein a day so I'm not even sure how that argument backs you up.
The sad part is that, you might actually be telling the truth about your experiment and about the results you've found by overeating protein. Yet the more I read your counter arguments the more this seems like just a joke...

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oh Katelyn, Katelyn, Katelyn... It seems like no matter what forum I go to or what specific thread I open, I am guaranteed to see your little one paragraph post about how great eating nothing but ground beef has been to you, how flat it has made your stomach and how much it has increased your energy, performance and those muscles that only you are able to see in your pictures. I know, I'm sounding like an asshole right now but you have to excuse me since It gets a bit tiresome/annoying after the 15th time of reading it. Honestly, It wouldn't surprise me if you actually have that specific paragraph saved as a word document so you can just open it up and copy paste it whenever needed.
Don't get me wrong, I don't discredit your success story and I'm really happy that all these aforementioned improvements are your results; However, it's really frustrating to see that same post over and over again in threads that you don't even read. What do I mean? Well you've obviously failed to read or at least comprehend this threat in its entirety. Let me explain to you what you should have realized, should you have read this thread:
You and redfulcrum are not doing the same thing AT ALL. You are eating raw 80/20 and 75/25 ground beef that is providing you with around 70% of your calories in fat while the rest is protein. Secondly, and less important than the first reason, is the fact that you actually measure your ground beef bowl so that it's the same every day.
On the other hand, redfulcrum is talking about eating lots of lean animals. Now, I know he even specifically stated  that he doesnt just eat one of the same thing all day but I need to phrase my example so you can understand the difference. Redfulcrum is doing what would be the equivalent of eating 11 pounds of 95% lean ground beef which is providing him 1000 grams of protein and not very much fat. In fact according to fitday he is getting almost 70% of his calories from PROTEIN and the other 30% through fat. So you Katelyn are actually fat/ketones adapted while redfulcrum is still a glucose burner.
I might be mistaken on this next part but it seems that redfulcrum is basically talking about switching the macronutrients fat and protein so that in reality a person is getting the minimum amount of fat to avoid rabbit starvation while getting the majority of his/her calories from protein. However, if the protein to glucose conversion really is 70% or less and if heavy protein does take a strenuous toll on the kidneys then this form of eating sounds highly inneficient and perhaps dangerous.
However, at the same time it really is amazing, if in fact redfulcrum did put 10 pounds of muscle in less than a week, which I guess we should all believe cause otherwise why would he waste his valuable time posting about it here? I mean after all he is just trying to share his success with other even though he won't provide any photos, or some type of actual evidence to really make the reader believe him... But it's okay, he doesn't care cause he'll get all the girls  ;D

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I'm pretty sure you don't exhaust glycogen stores running a marathon. 100 meter sprints, now thats a different story...

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well that makes sense, you can't afford a camera but you can afford to eat over 10 pounds of meat a day  ;D lol don't worry it was a good try man, you almost had me believing that rabbit starvation was a good thing lol it's okay, you can have all the girls you want that wont have a problem with you eating 11 pounds of meat a day  -v

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well usually i'm open to being a guinea pig but this experiment would be quite expensive, specially since fatty meat is cheaper due to the clogging arteries abilities of saturated fat  ;D In all seriousness though, if what you say is true then just post a recent picture of your 10 pounds muscle increase compared to a picture of you a month ago or whatever.

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lol I had to go to fitday to find out how much meat a person would need to get 1000 grams of protein like you mentioned. I used 95/05 ground beef cause it's the leanest and a person would need over 10 pounds of that a day. That's insane lol But you did mention in your last post that you eat 10 pounds of meat so I guess good job you T-Rex you. I unfortunately can't see me being able to do that, so I'll probably just have to be a slave with the rest of humanity  :'(

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Hot Topics / Re: Coconut oil and antinutrients
« on: January 15, 2010, 04:25:21 am »
yes Tyler your wikipedia studies are great and all but I can't help looking at the videos of Delfuego's kids and seeing how healthy and happy they are on a diet of nothing more than pemmican their whole lives (well besides the obvious breast milk)

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well I mean I guess I'm not really disagreeing with everything you say. Like I said I was a cooked zerocarber for 8 months in which it improved many aspects of my life:skin, depression, sleep, brain fog however my energy was never as good as when I ate carbs. After 8 months I tried 2 weeks of meat and potatoes based on some anthropological research but it turned out that it only made me feel worse with my acne coming back again and other symptoms. Here's the thing though, during my 8 months zerocarb, specially during the end, I wasn't able to eat more than 2 pounds a day, not cause I didnt want to but I just couldnt force it down. so what did I do wrong? was it because the meat was cooked? Was it because I was eating fatty meat? Who knows, all i know is that carbs found in vegetation dont make my body feel very good so I'm back to a carnivorous lifestyle and I'm willing to experiment with my meat being raw and also add in a few organ meats. Maybe I should try eating fatty ground beef until I am no longer hungry and then eat as much lean meat as I can afterwards and see if that changes anything. What do you think? Do you eat your meat raw and do you think that is a significant factor? By the way, I eat twice a day but I could probably pull of the once a day eating again if it helps with the catabolic state

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Exercise / Bodybuilding / Re: Ultimate Martial Arts
« on: January 15, 2010, 04:07:50 am »
Anybody here been able to train brazilian jiu jitsu and Muay Thai at an efficient manner by just eating animals?

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lol calm down you bleeding heart, I never called you a nut, although I might have thought it lol. Yes, there have been times in history where humanity's ideas and beliefs were wrong but that does not make everything we know now false. Besides, I did essentially try what you are talking about, I did zerocarb for 8 months and It made me lose weight (which I didnt really need cause I was already quite skinny) and it didn't allow me continue my MMA training (making me believe that anaerobic exercise does require glycogen and gluconeogenesis isn't the fastest or most efficient way to replenish it). However, I'm back to zerocarb now because my brain functions better and my candida symptoms disappear. I'm also giving raw meat a try instead of cooked (which I previously could not pull off cause my digestion was worse) so unless you think that my failure to obtain the results you mentioned are because I cooked my meat and because I didn't overstuff myself with just lean meat then I guess you might be as YOU SAID a nut lol

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lol, look man I'm on a carnivorous approach myself and I joined here because I decided to give the raw approach a try however some of the claims you make is why people think zerocarbers are crazy

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