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Primal Diet / Re: Aajonus e-mail re rawesome-further update
« on: June 13, 2012, 03:45:45 pm »
'extort'?   Bullshit!    IF i were Aaj, and I believed Sharon and James were defrauding people AND simultaneously fouling up the little RVAFood paradise (rawesome) I had put together, I'd skin them alive too!

Exactly!


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Welcoming Committee / Re: Silicon Valley raw eater, saying HI
« on: March 10, 2012, 03:15:04 pm »
  I went to Lunardis today, where eveheart shops for meat.  Bought one ribeye steak, the last two sirloin steaks, and a large piece of tritip, all Humbolt grassfed beef.
  I left the ribeye out and ate that tonight - WOW!  Good stuff.  Reminded me of a raw tuna steak.  The fat reminded me of butter.  The rest of my family, which doesn't have a taste for cooked beef, loved this raw beef, too.  The ribeye was pricey, though, eighteen dollars per pound.


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Welcoming Committee / Re: Silicon Valley raw eater, saying HI
« on: February 26, 2012, 09:02:18 am »
JACKPOT!  Ding ding ding.

Hi, Monk. I'm in the Silicon Valley. My main butcher is Lunardi's on S. Bascom, where Cosentino's used to be. Jason is the meat department manager. They buy Humboldt Grassfed Beef and butcher it in-store, so you can get it "your way."

I also shop at some halal markets for lamb or goat, but I am not always sure if it is 100% natural diet.

I get seafood from Asian markets - fresh oysters in season at 99 Ranch (any location).

Other stuff: frozen bison marrow bones from a ranch in Mendocino County (I drive ther e and stock up), but I'm looking for local sources; good chicken from a ranch in Petaluma (drive there once in a while). Notice that Whole Foods is not on the list, even though they have a store 1/2 mile from my house!

I hang 3 - 10 pound slabs of meat in my fridge from stainless-steel "S" hooks.

I take my raw lunch to work and eat it in view of others, only avoiding certain blabbermouths who would go on and on the entire meal about what I'm eating.

Wouldn't it be funny if we were co-workers?

Wouldn't it be funny if I was one of those blabbermouths?
That reminds me of a scene from Dumb and Dumber where a guy breaks into [Jim Carey's] bathroom stall.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Silicon Valley raw eater, saying HI
« on: February 26, 2012, 08:57:43 am »
CopOut,
  Thanks for your extensive input. 
  I've told people at work about my diet and interests.  They've observed me with the raw milk for years.
  I was concerned about eating a raw steak in my cubical; it would not be a delicate operation.   Are you saying you now use sauces, and grind things up in advance to eat at work?  If not, how do you eat it at work?
  I haven't contacted a local WAP chapter, no.  Thanks for looking that up. 
  I am renting a house and cannot have "pets".  I would have a little garden/farm if zoning etc. permitted it.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Silicon Valley raw eater, saying HI
« on: February 26, 2012, 08:35:21 am »
I get freshly killed beef.
I just put it in the refrigerator open air.
I eat it bit by bit until it's gone. (Less than a week)
Then I go back to the wet market and buy some more.

For raw fish and other sea food, I have to eat it within a day.  Two days at the most.

I live in a big extended household so animal food tends to get consumed very fast.
Thanks for your input.  Big families are good stuff.

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Silicon Valley raw eater, saying HI
« on: February 26, 2012, 08:27:39 am »
Good in what sense? Nutritionally, taste, convenience?
Eating meat once a day is enough. Why does it have to be exactly when you are at work? Fruits win as a food to eat at work if you ask me.
  Sweets, even if fruit, are not at the top of my food list.  I eat fruit sometimes but I'm not going to eat nothing but fruit all day at work.  It just wouldnt work for me.
  Among other things, I don't think it would works well with GERD, which I have.  GERD has been kept in check by raw milk, but I'm looking for alternatives.
 

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Primal Diet / Re: Aajonus' real name and PhD?
« on: February 26, 2012, 07:37:59 am »
His name is listed in his father's obit:
http://www.gsbfuneralhome.com/obituaries/JosefGarfield-Swigart-209/#/Obituary
"Aajonus Vander Planitz (John Richards Swigart)"

What I am most curious about is, did he really have the childhood cancer he described in his autobio, including the treatments which nearly killed him?  That is the core of his self-cure story and public identity.  He would do well to publish those medical records, if true.


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Welcoming Committee / Re: Silicon Valley raw eater, saying HI
« on: February 26, 2012, 03:46:25 am »
It may take a while to respond to all these posts, can't get to them all at once.  Thanks for your replies.

Hi Tyler,
  By heating, I meant getting it to the temp you consume it at.  If you don't heat, does that mean you eat the meat straight from the fridge, cold?  Picking up a raw steak from the fridge just doesn't stimulate my appetite.
  Wild game?  I'm jealous.

  Going without eating all day is not a good option for me, I have a tendency to do that anyway and it triggers GERD.  Breaking a hungry fast with fruit does the same, if I correctly recall previous experiences.  Perhaps now that I have terramin I could try dealing with it that way.  Or I can stick with milk but reduce the volume and just focus on what to eat at home.  Lots of possibilities available, but I'm still curious how people manage to eat raw meat at work, if any do.

  Part of my search for a milk alternative is I have a need to chew when just on milk.  Perhaps home made jerky would be a good way to address that.  I've tried pemmican ... ew. 

  Side question -  Have you tried storing beef suet or back fat long term in the fridge?

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Welcoming Committee / Re: Silicon Valley raw eater, saying HI
« on: February 25, 2012, 05:02:11 pm »
"why don't make it simple and take some fruits to work, and then eat the meat in the evening at home?"
Because I'm looking for something good to eat while at work.  ;)

"just start with the raw meat eating, it's not that complicated as you make it.. ;-)"
While at work.

Einstein - "Make things as simple as possible, but not simpler."

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Welcoming Committee / Silicon Valley raw eater, saying HI
« on: February 25, 2012, 03:36:28 pm »
Hi,
  I've eaten raw meat in the last few years, but it wasn't what I considered "ideal".  I'd like to jump-start back into raw beef and perhaps raw fish consumption.

  Brief background:  I've been consuming roughly a half-gallon of raw "grassfed" whole milk a day for several years; I've posted a bit on this before.  I've done well on it, other than it being boring and I think my benefits have plateaued.  It's expensive, but not nearly as expensive as driving to a market every day to buy very high dollar/lb raw grassfed beef, raw wild fish, or even 1.5 dozen pastured eggs.  But, I'd like to add raw meat, perhaps even to the point of replacing the milk entirely.  We'll see.  I've read Aajonus, WP, etc., but my practice has largely been limited to raw dairy.

 
  If there are any RPD'ers in the Silicon Valley (California) area, I'd love to meet up to see how you manage.  At minimum, I'm VERY curious where you source your meat, especially if you get never-frozen grassfed beef.

  For those of you, worldwide, who are able to get never-frozen meat, how do you store it without it all becoming "high"?  Do you put it in the fridge, hang it, or what?  For example, do any here dedicate a fridge to storing raw meat, and, if so, how do you set it up (temp, humidity)?

  For the meat you are to eat that day, how do you store it or prepare it?  I'm thinking in terms of eating at work, without food prep facilities (unless I brought them along in my car) and without a curtain to shield my coworkers from watching me gnaw on a large Tbone slab.  Do you heat the food a little, if so how?  Do you pre-cut everything or cut/bite it on the spot?  If the latter ... what about cleaning up (raw blood on a plate or face would scare the neighbors)?

  I'm asking a lot because I'd prefer not to go shopping every day and because eating at work without a kitchen will be my main challenge.  I'm not afraid of bugs but I am a bit concerned about pre-grinding or otherwise cutting up raw meat and then leaving it sit with other things mixed in for a day.

  If I were to start with prepping just one raw-beef "box lunch" for work, is there anything simple you'd recommend?
  For comparison, I will typically take a bottle of milk out of the fridge the night before and drink it throughout the day.  I buy the milk once/week and store it in a regular fridge with everything else.  Very convenient.   

Thank you for your time,
Monk

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Primal Diet / Re: 7 weeks on an all Raw Milk Diet
« on: October 23, 2011, 06:17:15 am »
Waldpfad,
  Regarding sleepiness, a "benefit" I'd read about for goat's milk is it makes you sleepy.  It's a benefit if you're trying to get kids to sleep through the night, for example.
  For a month or two soon after starting the cow's milk I felt sleepy all day, and I certainly slept more at that time, but it passed.  Just relating my experience.
  I may be out-growing the milk, too, but it has been of great help. 

  You mentioned belly fat.  I lost 2+ inches around the waist over the last year.  Initially I lost both lean mass and some around the waist.  Over the last year or so, my weight has stayed the same or gone down a few more pounds, but I seem to have gained back some lean mass while my waist size has further decreased.  This is all relative and hard to define as I didn't take records, but before the "diet" I had fat cheeks and some puff under the chin, whereas soon afterwards my cheeks were slightly hollow, and now they are filling out again despite the same weight.  Those are my face cheeks, to be precise.  I haven't exercised beyond what I normally do playing with my toddlers.

 


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Primal Diet / Re: 7 weeks on an all Raw Milk Diet
« on: October 21, 2011, 01:40:42 pm »
I presume that these changes have been mostly beneficial or otherwise you wouldn't have continued this diet. Is that so?
Yes, healthy, as in beneficial, changes.  If there are negative consequences, I'm not feeling them.

Also, on this urge to chew, have you considered including foods like raw meat rather than eggs or bananas? Do you enjoy the milk so much that you haven't thought of transitioning away from milk? Or, at the least drinking less of it?
Yes, I've eaten raw meat, which I wrote a little about in some earlier posts, but I have not in the last month or so.
I started drinking raw, grassfed milk after extensive reading and, primarily, to address my poor digestion.  My digestion seems to do very well on a mostly raw milk diet.  I haven't tried a mostly raw meat diet.
I also am somewhat lazy about preparing food, and this seemed -and is- so convenient.  I did not like eating candy or other vending machine food, but sometimes I'd get hungry at work and didn't have good food on hand.  The half-gallon of milk provides a lot of food for the work day; if it weren't for a craving to chew on something, I wouldnt need anything else all day.  I sometimes have "chips", not an ideal food, but I view it as better than candy of any sort.   
I've brought raw eggs to work but was not very comfortable eating them there; even when I did, it did not kill the munchy craving.
Bringing raw meat to work seems a bit much, but I suppose I could try it.  Cheese and bananas sort of address the munchy craving, but not always.  I'm not going to eat a salad in the middle of the day on a milk diet.

Regardless, despite the small cheats off of a 100% raw milk diet, ie chips or a slice of pizza, having raw milk as the great majority of my diet was sufficient to see benefits. 
I discussed them a bit here
http://www.rawpaleodietforum.com/hot-topics/danger-of-raw-food-products-made-from-raw-milk-(yogurt-cheese-and-butter)/msg72885/#msg72885






 

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Primal Diet / Re: 7 weeks on an all Raw Milk Diet
« on: October 21, 2011, 12:23:45 pm »
Not to hijack this thread, but I've been on a mostly-milk diet for more than a year now.  In the first 6 to 9 months, it was even more "mostly".  The last month or two has been less.

My mostly-milk diet consisted of drinking a half-gallon of whole raw milk from Organic Pastures Dairy.  I might have a non-milk meal of some sort at home in the evening, but it was very small.  I started as a 165-170lb adult; the milk only provided 1250 kcal/day, so I was also essentially dieting, but that was not the intent.  A year+ later, I'm at 154.  I was going to drink a gallon a day and try to live on nothing but that, but it was hard to push it all down.  I'd also develop "cravings" to chew something, didn't matter what; adding raw eggs to the diet did not satisfy the need to chew.  Sometimes I'd add extra cream (from OPD), or have a banana+milk+cream shake, but the bananas+milk can be constipating.

These days I still drink a half-gallon a day, on average, but have additional food for breakfast and/or dinner, not strictly raw.

Typically I consume the milk after letting it warm up from the fridge for several hours, and I never put it back in the fridge, but I can handle the milk cold, too.  I am unable to drink pasteurized or otherwise cooked milk.

I could talk about this at length, for those interested.  I experienced many healthy changes.

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What's a dropbox?  I'm not going to copy the dvd, though, if that's what you're asking.

Stuff which hadn't really sunk in from reading but was clear in the video:
he uses brown coconuts, duh (I've tried and disliked brown coconuts before, so must have blocked that detail out)
he hammers them for a while to loosen things up, then breaks
he pours the water into a bowl (not to consume)
he breaks the coconut into pieces and rinses them in the coconut water
he uses an oyster knife (a spoonlike blade) to more easily separate the meat from the shell, while wearing thick leather gloves to prevent skewering himself

He JUICES IN A ROOM AT 80 degrees F - says this is key to getting good yield.  Without that, you'll have to find some other way to warm the meat up without cooking, although he also says that re-juicing the meat heats it up, so re-juicing may be enough to do the trick.  He re-juiced pulp twice while in that hot room, then said the pulp was very dry and probably too hot to rejuice (didnt want to cook it).

Looks like a lot of work, but I'll try it some day.

Hi there Monk. Do you have a dropbox? I'd like to see the video of him preparing coconut cream. I'm supposed to make that for the first time tomorrow, but aren't sure about the loosening the coconut from the shell part. You're help would be greatly appreciated, thanks.

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Pricey, but I purchased it.  Very helpful, it cleared up some points I'd misunderstood and taught things I hadn't picked up from the books. 
While watching, my wife said she'd like to try the PD, too.

  I'm not prepared to write a review, but to answer the subject line, yes, he demonstrates making sauces and they have dairy ingredients.

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...so I don't think it's a matter of choice that they don't drink milk into adulthood.

OK, correction -  it may well be a matter of choice; they may get everything they need with their "regular" diet, such that they don't even think of stealing mother's milk from the babies.  For me, I was looking for healthy, unprocessed, raw, natural, supercalifragilistic food, and I found it in raw dairy from grassfed cows.  It is extremely convenient, it works for me, and I can afford it.  To get a similar quantity of high quality fat etc. from raw meat would cost more and be less convenient, though I'm still looking into that.

Thanks for your time.

Monk

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Animal milk was not consumed by humans in the paleolithic era (and even neither in South East Asia and Africa until very recently).
This is stated as fact.  I'm haven't read scientific literature on this subject, but I hypothesize that (for argument's sake) a yak stomach used for carrying kefir would not survive as evidence.  A Diet Coke can might not even survive as evidence.


Wild animals don't drink milk from other animal species and not even milk from their own specie when adults.
So when a hyena chomps down on a lactating emu, it first delicately squeezes the teats dry before tucking in?
Wild animals develop a taste for Happy Meals, if made available (at least, I think bears do), so I don't think it's a matter of choice that they don't drink milk into adulthood.  Technology is not all bad.

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In that first year, it's hard to say what else I ate regularly, but raw milk was the volumetric bulk of my diet.  It was also the caloric bulk, as I was not eating a lot, although I didn't count calories.  I was originally planning to drink a gallon a day, but I just wasn't that hungry.
  I sometimes had home-cooked eggs and bacon for breakfast, and for dinner I had some variety of home cooked rice, cooked meat and uncooked, very sour kimchi meal at dinner.  I also sometimes had fresh fruit such as apples, blueberries, ripe (brown) bananas, peaches, etc., but not a lot.  Pretty much the same breakfast and dinner as I had before I started on the milk, but dinner was in smaller portions, and my mid-day meals and junk snacks were eliminated.  Sometimes I had freshly made pizza for lunch, but I haven't done that in while.  I haven't had bacon or pizza in many months.
  In general I was trying to cut out anything not prepared at home, and much anything not raw, and exerted control over all ingredients - everything had to be as close to pre-industrial as possible (organic, pastured, etc.).  The milk reduced my appetite for cooked meals even at home, and gradually my breakfast became raw milk cheese and apples, and/or raw pastured eggs, but sometimes I had a cooked omelet.  Sometimes my wife would buy junk like potato chips, gelato, or a slice of chocolate cake from a gourmet who sells items at farmers markets; I would eat some of that, in part so she wouldn't eat all of it herself (the sacrifices I had to make), but I asked her not to get that stuff any more and she buys it less and less often (or successfully hides it from me).
  I generally crave something to chew on during the day at work or I end up buying chips or similar junk; raw cheese and apples meet that need; raw eggs don't.  I may try eating raw meat at work - my diet is now in evolution towards eating raw meat, but I don't have any plans to eliminate the milk.

  One reason I tried and stuck with the raw milk program was that it really helped my digestion.  I also no longer felt exhausted without taking vitamins, so I was able to stop taking vitamins (I took Vitamin D boosts, 5000-10000 IU, maybe three times during the first three months, but nothing after that).  Many other benefits followed, pretty shocking really, which is what gave credibility in my mind to the claims Aajonus makes for raw dairy and meat. 

  For the last month, my dinner has been a quarter to half pound of grassfed beef for dinner; it's pre-frozen steak, to make it easier to cut.  My wife chops it up and mixes it with fresh crushed garlic, some high quality sesame oil, sesame seeds, fresh ground black pepper, salt (I asked her to stop when I found out), and a small amount of sugar (rapadura, but I asked her to replace it with unheated honey or nothing at all), which she places on a plate of sliced pears and tops with a pastured egg yolk.  Maybe a bit too "gourmet" and not ideal, but it's what I started with and it's very tasty.  It would do a restaurant proud, but I'd probably be OK at this point with just eating the chopped beef straight.  It's hard to describe, but I was literally angry when I first tried the beef:  I was so angry that I'd wasted my whole life not eating this stuff (I'm over 40).

  I could say a lot more, so I'll stop.


Wow! Dats a lotta cow juice!

What else do you eat regularly?

I was LI also with pasteurized milk but with raw I have no problems. I consume roughly 12 litres in 14 days.

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Welcome, Monk. If you become a frequent poster here I prophesy that there will be rows between you and Tyler.

Thanks for the welcome. 
I noticed that Tyler also has posts promoting appearances by Aajonus, so he can't be that adamant against against "milkers".


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First Post.

I've been drinking a half-gal of raw, whole, grassfed cow's milk daily for a year, after considering myself "lactose intolerant" for decades.
Many surprising, unexpected health improvements coincided with this period.  MANY.
My condolences for those who can't manage the raw dairy. 

Monk

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