Hey guys,
   I just found a raw dairy farm and now have access to raw cream, raw butter and cheese(both unsalted), raw yogurt and raw milk. On top of that i have access to raw honey, pastured free range eggs and all sorts of meats.
    Now that i have this stuff i've been experiementing with how to use it. I like mixing raw cream with organic bananas, and the raw yogurt helps with digestion. I was wondering how aajonus suggests we use the cheese or the butter, as both don't really have any flavour and the raw honey by itself is too sugary. The eggs are alright by themselves (i don't eat the whites) but i'm wondering if there's any way to combine them to make better use, besides a liver flush (combine with fats and lime juice).
    Any all round decent recipes you guys can suggest??

Mod: just tried mixing equal amounts of raw unsalted butter and raw honey...pretty damn good 

Raw Kyle- Many people live long times with diseases because of modern medicine. Before modern medicine the lifespan was MUCH lower for the ones with serious uncurable (for thier time and limited knowledge) diseases. Don't let diet become a religion, no diet is a cure-all or ultimate protection from all unwanted conditions. Diet and the concept of immortality are completely unrelated, even though this is a diet forum (lol). I really don't feel like defending the concept of immortality or even unnaturally long lifespans, cause ultimatly talk is cheap, but i'll try to have some fun
   Try to conceptualize someone with an extremely long life. Think about how abnormal it would make one seem, how much attention they would get in the news and the media and especially how much attention they'd get from scientists. I pose that if anyone COULD reach this state they wouldn't want it to be known to the common public. Think if the government got a hold of them and decided to do crazy tests to try to find his secret or take samples of his DNA to try and make a tonic out of it and splice people with this person's genes to extend lifespans.
    Plus as we all know diet alone cannot extend life, it can only ward off disease and premature death, so saying rpd or anyother diet is the way to do it is silly. Even a restricted calorie raw vegan diet (which for sum reason has a spiritual undertone) would harldy increase lifespan. No average person who is a regular part of society could possibly achieve such a state as society tends to breed unhealthy behaviours (depending on your view of what health means; and yes it's subjective). It's similar to holding your breath for long stretches, lifting cars, and other great acts; you cannot look at the common public as examples for greatness because none of us seem to be concerned with bettering ourselves and realizing our potential or finding truth through scientific method...

There is a principle which is a bar against all information, which is proof against all argument and which cannot fail to keep man in everlasting ignorance... That principle is condemnation before investigation.

The greatest quote of all time for the true seeker.

And you're rite, obsessing over lifespan is attachment to the self, usually comes from the great love of self. Similar to if you love your spouse or your child you are attached to them and don't want them to leave. If you truely love yourself then death is a legitimate fear/attachemtn if you believe that the "you" you identify yourself as disappears after death. Why even attach yourself to anything in this world? Why obsess over a job? why obsess over a family? why obsess over anything? because we desire them and if there's a risk of losing them we want to do our very best to ensure protecting them, even if for selfish reasons. Could a mother kill her son even if it would save him from agony? something to ponder.
As for being a prisoner of rules, i too dislike that idea, however rules give structure, which is pleasant, at least to me. Without rules we'd live in our dreams. We are all bound by the laws of nature, the laws of science. It is by these laws that all discovery must be made in this world. It is a great discovery that by not cooking your food you can live in better health, however what else is possible in these rules? We'l never find out unless we never stop trying.

leanne-...thanks for sharing your opinions. Also flaxseed build semen through zinc aminos and sugars mostly. Raw oysters are a superior way to build semen if you'd like to give it a shot, it'll give him a full load within hours if thats what gets you off.
     Non-ejaculatory sex is more of a spiritual thing and also it allows the man to orgasm multiple times until he's satisfied and then CHOOSE to ejaculate or not. It's basically Mastering a system of your body, not limiting it. Just thought i'd make sure that be understood in case of any misconceptions.

Hans- thx I'll look into this person and her system, it sounds interesting

KD- You bring up a good point, no i have not met these people, however i kinds got the feeling that roger was "easily exitable" from some email conversations we've had. He's turned his raw experience and knowledge into a marketing strategy. He was 3-4 diff websites and tons of products that personally i would teach for free if they really worked. For example i got his "Lightning Fitness Program" a long time ago and it consisted of two exercises that were well enough explained to try, one was running in place and the other was putting your hands on the floor and walking backwards up a wall . Though honestly i still think he looks young and he's fairly well built for a man who claims to eat nothing but fruit. However i'm afraid the raw vegan movemnt has become as a cult, similar to the "green" movement and thus is subject to "radicalists" who will be hyper regardless of thier diet. I know many campagners for greenpeace who ate a wide variety of diets, sum cooked sum raw, sum vegan, sum not...and they all acted like a typical raw vegan, very nervous, antsy, quick to speak but slow to think... Personally i think it has more to do with the mindset, the culture and the "image" involved rather than the nutrition (or lack of) that is the main factor influencing behaviour.

As for Storm he let out a new program 2 months or so ago that stressed the importance of an "100% raw diet". However I don't think they're in it for the money as Roger seems to be so i don't think they're going to keep making new products trying to say the same thing 5 billion ways. Also they seem much more calm and they actually eat alot of raw vegan fats such as OO, nuts, avocados, etc which i think is a crutial part. 80/10/10 is a trendy psuedo religion in my view, not a health promoting diet. But either way he did start showing signs of aging around his early 60s in the photos, though when i reach that age i wouldn't care how i look i'd care what i can do

And honestly with all of the research i've done I think veganism(raw) is nothing but a watered down fasting. I mean unless you're a sproutarian who then cooks...it's like impossible to get any nutrition. I mean the phytates alone in most greens are enough to create a defficiency if they're one of your main sources of food; most veggies and nuts are PACKED with phytates. On top of that you've got the plant fiber which can't digest; many of the nutrients are bound in the fiber and go unassimilated. Fruits i can see working, lettuces, grasses, etc seem to work. Nuts...in small quantities and especially if sprouted then ground and turned into nutmilk. But even then, i used to ground up chia seed into a powder, mix it with water and add raw honey. It worked out great until i realized the sharp chunks weren't getting digested and ended up getting my intestines literally cut up (there were traces of blood to verify). I think it verily DOES cause defficiency but they play off the symptoms as "detox". I say if people can live off of junk food and McDonalds for years and years and still appear in good health then so can a raw vegan, but eventually they'll have to face the consequences of thier choices.

Though veganism seems to work as a transition to a transendental state of consciousness it does not work as a long-term health promoting diet in and of itself. Thats where i stand personally.
     

Hans- The latter. Retention of a man's semen is viewed as retaining one's sexual energy or essence (jing). As for having sex it's best to do it as often as you can and for as long as you want (as you'll basically last forever anyway once you've mastered this). It's basically being able to separate orgasm from ejaculation (there IS a diff) and experiencing orgasm indefinatly. Eventually you learn to "move" this feeling around your body and up your spine along with some other fun exercises. You should look up mantak chia and tantra for more info. There's also a plethora of books on the topic.

majormark- The vegan phenomena is indeed an interesting one that still puzzles me. It's almost as if they've lowered thier need for nutrition in some way, because it's proven that there's not NEARLY enough nutrients in plant foods alone. Yet if you read ancient taoists master speak on diet they will say that the "enlightened" do not require animal products, but the non-enlightened do...which i found strange, what makes these "enlightened" peoples' bodies diff??? I too do not think a person of average consciousness can thrive on a vegan diet, but if there are exercises(physical, mental or otherwise) that can make that possible, this would be one hell of a discovery!

And yes calorie restriction and fasting too seem to add to the equation. I'm sure there's more i've left out, eventually i'll find it all. I want to travel the world in search of the oldest and healthiest societies and individuals to learn thier secrets. I'm also trying to find text on taoist sages to see if it describes any changes that take place (physically) with certain practices.

And also, yes, the raw food diet is only one component, and seemingly one of little importance compared to others. Again there are VERY healthy individuals out there who still eat cooked food, but use other practises to keep thier health in check. For example a creater of the liver flush, Andea Mortiz(spelling) seems to be in rather good health despite his nearly 100% cooked food diet. He uses colonics, liver flushes and herbs to protect and tone his body and organs, along with yoga as well. Ayurveda and TCM have been around for AWHILE, i'm sure there's more too them then we give credit for.

btw does anyone know what the citrus is supposed to do??? this has perplexed me since i ever heard of the liver flush.

T'would seem people with damage to thier nervous system may benefit from alil extra calcium.
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/1588635
Suck up them eggs (or dairy if you perfer it)

Yeah, Aajonus usually keeps his "high meat" in airlock glass containers and leaves them in the fridge, or cool dark place. I'd assume that would protect it from any undesirable effects.
You can see this on the Ripley's blieve it or not video. Though he opens the jar every 3-4 days cause he says the oxygen "keeps the bateria moving" (...wat?, lol)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MIrFhfyrmS4

Dayum, Mr. BBQ,...that makes alot of sense, i may look furthur into that idea.

Raw Kyle- Haha, why am i not surprised. Remember though that anyone can pretend to be anything online. I may actually be Hitler trying to stay low by pretending to be a health nut O.o, lol. But next time a "spiritual" person decides to become over-judgmental and crazy, just call them and post this    http://www.destructoid.com/elephant/ul/30597-GodCAT.jpg
 

Oh i whole-heartedly agree that chagning diet is MUCh safer. If i ever give general advise it's to take things slow and do it right. I learned that from music, it's always better to start slow and clean than sloppy and fast. However thats not quite what this post is about, it's asking about the most powerful detoxes in the shortest amount of time and mentions nothing of saftey . I mean thats what I"M looking for, lol.
    Raw Kyle, back up a sec, essenes have no place in the raw vegan community. Essenes believe in a MOSTLY vegetarian diet however they use homemade keifer and butter from raw dairy, especially after fasts as they see it as a stregth giver. they also consume raw honey which is still a controversial subject amoungst the raw vegan community. Lastly they have the ability to thrive on a plant based diet because of thier other practices. In Taoism, spiritual masters commented on diet saying that men of average consciencness cannot thrive on a plant-based diet and that they must suppliment with animal foods, meat in-particular. However in the case of enlightened beings or those who have reached a certain stage in thier spiritual practises a plant based diet would be ok. This is rather off topic, but my point being is that Essenes are not diet, they are a spiritual group who do spiritual practices cerntered around healing.
    Goddamn raw vegan community will take anything they can get and try to associate with it just to market thier ideals. Not saying thier all like that, but...they're all like that , lol, jk.

btw good samaritan what exactly is the VCO supposed to do? I did it once and just shat it out and it hurt rather badly. It made me feel HORRIBLE, not better, lol, does it have to be a particular brand? perhaps mine was heated and thus didn't work?

hahaha i just asked that same question in a diff post. RawZi suggested sumthing aajonus said about detoxing vaccines. Apparently you age sum organic raspberries for like at least a month or 2 and they're supposed to be this CRAZY detox.
    And i'm pretty sure at this point detox is a proven FACT that scientists can now observe. Whether or not the porgram one is using is helping detox is still up in the air.

Fasting is indeed a powerful SUMTHING, lol, it's VERY hard to do. My last water fast lasted about 10days, though i could have gone longer i came to the conclusion that i should be DOING rather than not doing, and thus ended it. Nevertheless many people have healed various conditions with fasting, but again, it takes MUCH willpower.
   That being said i don't think fasting on water should be done unless your liver and kidneys are at FULL POWA!!!! Because when you fast on water there's such a HUGE dump of toxins in the bloodstream that if the liver/kidneys can't keep up then they'll just re-deposit them in the tissue like they did when you first experienced toxic overload. If shit gets dumped in your colon wats to stop it from getting reabsorbed?
   In theory a fast with pure fat or fiber would be a rather powerful detox, however this is just in theory so.... I thought about doing a fast on cream or butter. I tried one with coconut oil which just gave me the shlitts, complete garbage, lol. maybe if the oils weren't heated they'd do better, who knows.

and of course just ignore the "natural hygene" spin at the end 

Keratosis pilaris, commonly known as "chicken skin".
http://www.helpforkp.com/keratosis_pilaris_pictures.html

Aged organic raspberries? thats it?? should i like fast on them, just include them, take them with anything? and what was his warning about? how massive is the detoc goin to be? Randomly inserted question

but thx 4 the info 

well i couldn't find where in here i found it but here's the link

www.oneradionetwork2.com/mp3/health/diet/vonderplanitz_aajonus_raw_food_meat_primal_diet_oct_15_09_one.mp3

www.oneradionetwork2.com/mp3/health/diet/vonderplanitz_aajonus_raw_food_meat_primal_diet_oct_15_09_two.mp3

What he said is in the first one and starts at 24:51 with the callers question. He explains honey as...not carbs? He says when it's cooked or heated, rather it's carbs but when it's raw it just enzymatic? that cant be rite(or maybe it can , who knows), but anyway yeah just listen to the audios, it's actually rather interesting

Honestly i'm looking for the fastest most powerful and crippling detox i can find here, as i am rather impatient which is why his mention of the function of raw cheese sparked my creative interest