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General Discussion / Re: Bone broths best prepared raw, not cooked
« on: September 04, 2014, 07:19:52 am »
I think you overlooked the part of the instructions that said to make it like a fermented beverage. The word fermented refers to a pretty well-defined process. You sound like an enthusiastic experimenter, so you probably would enjoy fermentation. Start with the basic utensils (glass jar, something to keep the ingredients submerged) and learn how to adjust the amounts of salt and length of fermentation time, which will depend on your climate. Here, it's too hot to make a really good-tasting ferment in the summer, so I start fermenting in November and continue through the winter. Eric's vegetable base is beets or other root vegetables; my standard vegetable base is cabbage and some apple or pear. Collards make a pretty strong flavor. I know another method for collards, but it tastes bad to me. You can slow down fermentation in warm weather by putting the jar in the refrigerator after the brew starts bubbling and the liquid becomes cloudy. Experience will teach you how the ferment looks, smells, and tastes day by day.

I followed exact instructions before for high meat, fermented beans, etc.... they all failed. Plus anything in jars or in liquid like the broth smells really bad to me, I wouldn't eat it.....no fermentation for me.

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General Discussion / Re: Bone broths best prepared raw, not cooked
« on: September 02, 2014, 09:22:27 am »
I only do submerged fermentation with no stirring, and I've never seen the set-up you are using. I don't want to give you the wrong information, since you seem to be following some other kind of set-up.

Here is what I understand about fermentation, from www.wildfermentation.com "The simple key to successful vegetable fermentation is to make sure your vegetables are submerged in liquid. That’s it, the big secret. Usually the liquid is salty water, also known as brine, but fermentation can be done without salt, or with other liquids, such as wine or whey." In this case, meat and bones are also added to ferment by the same principle. By submerged, I mean "completely underwater." Submersion is done so that undesirable airborne bacteria, molds/yeasts, and fungus do not grow in your product.

I am concerned that your ferment will turn into a toxic, inedible, swampy slime. How do you prevent your end-product from turning into compost?

We share the same concerns ....This is my 1st time doing raw broth, just following what I read here. My only success with fermentation was leaving meat outside for a while, it looked rotten but smelled & tasted great, when I did it in jars, they smell nasty & I threw the jars out.

I'm not sure about this smell & can't taste anything because I'm fasting, I might just boil this & freeze, do you think that would be safe ?

I think I'm gonna stick to leaving meat outside & making cooked broth, every other fermented product I tried to make turned out horrible.   ;D -v

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General Discussion / Re: Bone broths best prepared raw, not cooked
« on: September 02, 2014, 08:14:30 am »
I'm not familiar with that type of fermentation set-up, with the ingredients exposed to air in a wide bowl, so I really can't comment.

I noticed some white foam today, bubbling & covered it with foil....smells strong too.....do you stir your fermented products or leave them ?

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General Discussion / Re: Bone broths best prepared raw, not cooked
« on: September 01, 2014, 09:45:39 pm »
How are you keeping the solids submerged?

They just stay like that in the 1st two pics, in the last one I raised them with a spoon.

Does everything look good to you ?

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General Discussion / Re: Bone broths best prepared raw, not cooked
« on: September 01, 2014, 09:43:53 am »
Hey everyone,

I added about 800g/1.8lbs pork neck bones & 225g/0.5lbs of beef liver, some collard greens, mushrooms, onion, garlic, 1/2-3/4 tsp of salt & enough water to cover everything.

My fast will probably end in 16 days, it would be ideal to have this ferment until then so I could start with the broth 1st few days, then move on to the flesh.

I've eaten high meat before, but leaving this combo in water worries me since I've never done it before or seen someone eat it.....If I don't get a reassuring response or hopefully some pics I'm going to put it in a double boiler on a small burner & extract (not cook) tomorrow for a few hours then freeze until the fast is over.

Do these pics/ingredients look like I have the right setup ?

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