Does anyone know where to buy grass-fed meat in Estonia, particularly in Tallinn? Or in Finland? Helsinki?

I'm going on a trip very soon.

Thank you!

Re you getting migraine headaches, if you were patient enough to gut them totally and then eat them, you could perhaps narrow it down this way. It also depends on the amount I guess.

so it is the innards that are causing the migraines? i also had fresh sardines the same week and didn't seem to have a problem with them, maybe because i ate some whole, but then gutted the rest. the anchovies were smaller so i didn't gut them fully, just pulled out the dark strip of their intestines and ate the bones and heads and everything. but maybe it was just too much, because the migraines got much worse in intensity after maybe the 3rd meal of anchovies.

so i've given up on anchovies for now. too bad, because i quite like them. maybe the next time i eat them i'll fully gut and filet them and maybe have less problems that way. i just thought that if eating land animal innards is good for you, then fish innards must be good for you too. but maybe it was too much of a good thing. i also read that anchovies contain monoamines, which can cause migraines in sensitive people, especially if you have gut issues. so maybe it's just me.

anyway, i think that lack of adaptation to a high-protein, high-fat diet would lead to chronic but pretty steady low levels of energy, not sudden rapid energy drops immediately after eating. your simple explanation doesn't make any sense to me.

Has anyone noticed that when they go very low carb that they get more irritable and aggresive?

I become extremely aggressive when doing vlc and if I'm arguing with someone I always feel a strong urge to become violent even though I have no history of violence what so ever. I actually just punched a whole through my door and usually I laugh at people that smash their things when their angry because I feel it's so stupid.

I'm just curious what you think causes this? I think it's either some carb addiction withdrawal or my brain just being low on sugar and therefor doesn't work properly?

I was just reading about this, and it makes a lot of sense to me and matches up with my own experience. When I was eating more red meat and fat and less vegetables/carbohydrates, I also got really irritable and aggressive and easily frustrated and angry. If you look at it from a Chinese medicine perspective, it's because eating too much red meat can cause an overabundance of yang, which can cause symptoms such as irritability or aggressiveness:

"Balance Yin & Yang: All life on earth balances two complementary and opposite natural forces: expansion and contraction or yin and yang. Contraction holds our bodies together while expansive forces enable us to breathe, move around, think and feel. To stay in good health your body needs to keep both forces in balance. To do this you need to eat a balance of both expansive and contractive foods.

If you feel heavy, slow, hot, tense, sluggish, constipated, frustrated, irritable or too intense, you need to eat more Yin or expansive food such as fruit, honey, milk, yogurt and salads.

If you have sweet cravings, energy bursts followed by fatigue, cold hands and feet, no will power, feel moody, dreamy, spaced out or confused, irregular bowels, recurring colds and infections, you need to eat more Yang or contractive foods such as cheese, eggs, meat, nuts and tuna.

With an understanding of Chi, Yin/Yang and the meridians, you will be able to choose foods that are appropriate for your particular need."

If some people have too much yin to begin with, then maybe going VLC will help them balance out, keep them grounded and give them more constant energy. but if you're already a bit yang or evenly balanced, then maybe going VLC tips you over to an excess of yang, which can get you irritable and aggressive. I read this after I started eating more vegetables and less red meat, and I found that it corresponded to the improvement of symptoms I felt once I included more yin foods in my diet. I just feel more balanced now and not as irritable and wired.

Eating too much at once might be it,

Try eating it really slowly. Taking 15-20 minutes to eat a small steak and stop immediately when you feel you're not hungry any more.

I've actually been eating small amounts (total amount of meat about the size of a deck of cards in one sitting) because I haven't had so much of an appetite for meat, especially with its most recent effects on me, and normally it takes me quite a while to eat it because i'm a chewer and my stomach doesn't seem to like it when i bolt unchewed chunks of meat.

about this problem with not really having much of an appetite, after i eat (meat), it seems like part of my body is still hungry and craving more food, but then i'm so sleepy that i literally pass out wherever i am within 10 minutes, sometimes on the floor.

I'm thinking you're overeating.. Overeating is usually what causes fatigue

actually before when i first started eating raw meat i think i was overeating, but it didn't make me tired. in fact i felt more energised on the contrary.

or too much meat in proportion to fat

the meat i've been eating lately is beef tongue, which has a good amount of fat already on it, and i've been eating bone marrow on top of that. in fact, most days this past week i'm more apt to eat more fat than meat, because it doesn't have this debilitating trainwreck effect of making me immediately pass out that the muscle meat seems to be having now.

or having eaten carbs in the last few days

Maybe this could be it? But why would I feel uncontrollably tired and sleepy after eating meat if its from having eaten carbs within the last few days when I didn't feel tired and sleepy after eating the carbs themselves? This doesn't make much sense to me. If it were the carbs inducing a food coma, I'd think I'd have that reaction straight away after eating the carbs, instead of when eating meat by itself hours or days later.

or not enough excercise.

I agree that exercise has a stimulatory effect, but as a former exercise-junkie who is now suffering adrenal fatigue as a result of long-term over-exercising and under-nourishing, I don't think it's a good idea for me to embark on an intense exercise routine right now. In fact, it seems that my body is telling me that I need to rest more in order to heal. In any case I'm pretty active and walk nearly everywhere, including 3 long flights of stairs up and down to get in and out of my flat each day. Plus my work keeps me active, lifting heavy things. The other day I felt like a sherpa, carrying an enormously heavy box of equipment on my back up a hill probably well over a km or two. I don't know if my current tiredness may be partially caused by this kind of exertion, because I was really busy and physically active for an intensive two weeks or so before this bout of tiredness. It just seems strange though that eating meat in any form would hit me like a ton of bricks and cause me to pass out immediately for several hours or more. Definitely doesn't seem normal.

Has anyone experienced this kind of thing as a sort of healing response? I've read that eating raw meat and raw egg yolks can induce a healing response, one sign of which is an intense sleepiness. If it's a healing response, I'm willing to stick with eating meat and passing out for a while as long as I have enough time to do it, but I'm a bit concerned that it might be something else, or that perhaps I'm not reacting well to this kind of meat, or that I'm perpetuating some kind of vitamin/mineral imbalance. When it happened to me on Friday, I passed out for about an hour or two but had to wake up to teach, but my mind was clearly not where it should be and I kept making careless mistakes and even told my students the wrong word for something, which I realised about ten minutes later! Why is eating meat making me slow and tired? I know most of you have been doing this for long enough that you've already figured out what works for your body and you generally don't have bad effects from eating meat, but can you think of times while you were first transitioning, say the first few months or so, when eating meat would have a similar effect on you? Or when you first started eating high meat, did you feel an initial intense urge to sleep before the subsequent increase in energy? Or is my body just not cut out for this way of eating?

I'm just a bit frustrated because I definitely experienced an increase in energy when I started to eat raw meat just a few months ago, so I don't really understand why I'm experiencing this kind of downturn. I'd be grateful for any explanations or suggestions.

I noticed feeling extreme fatigue and drowsiness after eating raw meat, most recently raw beef tongue.

At first I thought it was from eating too much fat (raw bone marrow), but later I tested eating them separately and it was the raw beef tongue that made me unbearably sleepy--it just knocked me out immediately and I had to lie down and take a nap.

Does anyone have any idea why this may be? Is this a healing or cleansing reaction? After taking colloidal zinc with vitamin C, I felt much better immediately, (as I have before after eating lamb liver, heart and kidney and feeling fatigued--colloidal zinc fixed the fatigue and brain fog in a snap). With the liver, heart and kidney I assumed that the copper levels were too high for my already copper heavy system. But I looked up nutritional information for beef tongue and the zinc-copper ratio there seems too high to cause an overload of copper. Could it be that eating a zinc and b-vitamin rich food is causing copper to be released from storage areas in my system? If so, why would I feel better after taking even more zinc?

I actually find I have more energy when I eat more carbohydrates, including fruits, vegetables and sometimes cooked rice. I've also noticed that at other times eating too much raw meat and fat seems to overstimulate my adrenal glands and make me jumpy, nervous, impatient and irritable.

Along with the fatigue last night after the raw beef I also began to sneeze and feel congested and chilled with the beginnings of a cold starting to come over me. This also went away immediately after taking colloidal zinc.

Can anyone tell me what's going on with my system and how I should go about eating raw meat to either avoid these reactions or to work through them if they're actually cleansing/healing reactions? I can deal with the cold-like symptoms for a few days, but the fatigue and brain fog are debilitating.  

Thank you!

i just got a few hacked up pieces of cow marrow bones last night from my local friendly halal butcher's for free. i ate the bone marrow today with some lime juice, fermented fish sauce, garlic and a bit of salt and pepper, and the bone marrow was soft and creamy and sweet and melted in my mouth like ice cream!

does anyone else have the impression that bone marrow tastes like ice cream? or has it been so long since i've had actual ice cream that i'm mistaking the taste? it would be interesting to make (non-sweetened) dessert type dishes with raw bone marrow...

IMO our bodies can cope with the copper in natural source like liver, and if it's too much, your body will tell you by making liver taste bad. It was that way for me.

Yeah, I think I experienced this. I just had no more appetite for liver. I think after that's when the fatigue dropped in again.

Well, you should only try the high-meat if you're desperately fatigued all the time and preferably once you've gotten fully used to raw fresh meats first.

then is it better to try fully high meat the first time around? like month-long refrigerator-aged high meat? or to start with some high meat that's aged for a shorter period of time? and if i want to try it sooner should i try ageing it at room temperature for a shorter time, like say a week or so?

i think i tend to lose my appetite after eating too much of the same thing over a period of days, but it's hard to buy smaller quantities of a variety of meats, but it seems maybe that's what i should do. and maybe i should include more seafoods for variety, especially because i like them--it's just that they're hard to come by in this country and usually i have to buy a large quantity at once.

otherwise i actually don't have a problem eating raw meat, and i generally enjoy raw meats and organs (have so far had and enjoyed raw: beef muscle meat, lamb muscle meat, lamb marrow, lamb fat, lamb liver, kidneys and heart, rabbit liver, plus all kinds of seafood raw which i already ate before), and usually prefer them to cooked. but it seems my body just has a really strong craving/stop signal with foods--sometimes i find that i'll really crave a certain food (mussels for example) for a long time, but once i've had my fill of it i won't want to touch it again for weeks.

actually i am pretty desperate to try anything that will lift this debilitating fatigue, which is one of the main reasons i started incorporating raw animal foods into my diet. and although it has already helped a lot, i'm still often frustrated at not being able to function at 100% and feeling fatigued much of the time, so if high meat will help me, i'm willing to give it a go.

i just wish there was someone around who already KNEW what good high meat was supposed to look/taste/smell like who'd give me a piece to try, so i'd know what i was getting into. it just seems a bit iffy to let some pieces of meat rot for a month in a jar and then try eating it when i have no idea how it's supposed to taste or look like...

@ TD: So would you recommend waiting on the high meat?

I had this decrease in appetite and other problems you mention. It continued to build up and get worse until I would have a fever and then I'd be better and the cycle would repeat.

I've been feeling really tired and unmotivated and my neck and shoulders seem really stiff, and in general I haven't been sleeping so well. If I'm going to get sick I'd rather just get it all over with now and start feeling better already. I'm still waiting for this magical turning point of fatigue and generally feeling horrible, hitting bottom and then bouncing back up into an improved state, but it's not happening it seems.

I'm starting to not really believe in the concept of detox. I think if something is good for you, it'll make you feel better and if it's not, it'll make you feel worse. I guess the only times I've experienced what seemed to be a valid sort of "detox" was once when I ate a bunch of organic watermelon with seeds to flush the kidneys, and ended up flushing something out into my bloodstream that numbed up my urinary tract and gave me intense hives all over my body for a week, which I then got rid of by liver flushing and sweating it all out and eating fresh garlic to kill what seemed to be rampant candida, probably attached to whatever chemicals and/or metals I'd flushed out of my kidneys. After this I felt healthier, and got rid of a bunch of pretty severe allergies I'd had since childhood so I would accept that as a valid experience of "detox". The other time was more recently, when I quit eating eggs and nightshade vegetables and then got a 3-day long flu/sinus infection that eventually drained out the months of debilitating brain fog and goo that had been contaminating my thought processes and breathing every time I ate eggs or tomatoes or was subject to second-hand smoke, which was pretty much nearly everyday.

But both times, while it was happening, even though it was utterly miserable, I actually felt somehow exhilarated in my misery, as if I knew that something bad was leaving my body, and that I'd feel a lot better after it was on its way out.

This time I just feel tired, as if I'm unbalanced, and it doesn't seem like something's on its way out of my system. It seems more like things are coming in and are clogging up my mind.

In regards to meat storage issues, I put the meat out on plates (all I have at the moment--I don't have or like the idea of leaving my food on styrofoam and I don't know how my flatmates would feel about me leaving chunks of raw meat lying around the refrigerator). Although I'm beginning to accept the idea that airing out raw meat is the best form of storage. I was very impressed with the quality of the meat hanging on meat hooks and in fresh air at the halal butcher's as opposed to the meat sitting wrapped up in plastic and styrofoam in the grocery stores.

It's a good idea to take raw dessicated adrenal glandulars. The only good one I know of is Dr Ron's stuff on his website drrons.com,, albeit horribly expensive.

I'm pretty certain the butcher's I go to for lamb and beef will give me whatever internal organ I ask for. The last time I was there and they cut out the fresh liver, kidneys and heart for me out of the entire connected piece of lamb offal.

So I'm assuming it would be healing to eat the adrenals as well? Would it be better to dose it out (eat only a small amount per day rather than eating a whole adrenal gland or two at a time)? And how do I know which part is the adrenal? All I can tell is that they're sort of triangle-shaped and sit on the kidneys, but I don't know what colour or texture they're supposed to be.

I'd rather be eating fresh food than supplements, and $50+ per bottle of desiccated adrenals plus shipping seems like a lot.

So is the solution to eat more carbs? I do seem calmer when I eat more fruit.

Or is there an adaptation period? I don't know is I should be sacrificing good sleep for any longer period of time though. Today for example I woke up after only about four hours of sleep and couldn't fall back asleep. So now I'm eating kidneys. 

so would this be a good thing or a bad thing? whether parasites are an issue, I know that my digestion isn't that great. and theoretically if the parasites were helping, would it show up as dark lines on the irises? wouldn't iridology (like reflexology) only reveal weaknesses or imbalances in the system?