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Well, raw vegan meetups are all over the place, it's about time for rawpalaeo meetups to happen as well. So far, only RVAF diet individuals have met each other singly, but it's time things changed.
*Come to think of it, there are all those Primal Potlucks in many US States. I wish someone could give an account of those re what happened etc.?
They are great as long as they are ripe. Plantains skin should be black when you eat them.
I fell off the wagon today. I was fighting it from the moment I woke up. For the first time since I started I was craving sugar and carbs etc. all day to the point of discomfort. I couldn't figure out why, but I eventually indulged myself in mexican food with beans, tortillas and cheese etc. I of course feel really guilty now, but I mostly want to figure out what could be causing it.
The only thing I can think of is not enough fat? I ate raw beef for lunch and still didn't feel satisfied like I normally do, maybe I need more beef/fat? I have been craving cooked bacon badly...for the fat content maybe? I am trying to lose weight so I think i might have shot myself in the foot avoiding carbs from fruits and hitting the veggies a little too hard. So what do you do if you are getting cravings?
Mine is wild blueberries. Those are only available a couple months out of the year. When they're not available then my favorite is organic blackberries.
I am also starting soon, I thought I would reply bc I live in Charlotte as well :-)
i was wondering if anyone would like to share what a typical day of eating for them looks like. Just to get a general idea. This is all so new to me. Im just trying to figure out how much foood i should eat,amount of meat, ect.
thanks sooo much
jamie
Raw butternut squash is definitely a no-go for me (as always, YMMV). Even soaked and blenderized I found it tough, bad-tasting and it gave me indigestion and nausea and dried out my mouth.
A month or so ago I tried raw parsnips and found that I liked them and they've gone on my regular shopping list. The more I eat them it seems like the more I love them. It combines two of my favorite flavors--sweetness and the mustard/radish spiciness of the crucifers (though it's not a crucifer itself). Yuli put it well--"spicy sweetness". To me there's no comparison--raw parsnips beats raw butternut squash by a mile. I find soaked sweet potato to also be superior to raw butternut squash. Once again it's interesting the wide variation between different individual's responses to the same foods. What works for me is not necessarily going to work for others and vice-versa.
Raw parsnips taste awesome... I've been eating a lot of them lately as they go along very well with all kinds of meats and seafood.
I was a little surprised that I liked the raw parsnips so much because I had always disliked my mother's parsnips. I realize now that the problem was she always boiled them to death to make a mashed-potato alternative, which made them rather bitter. I shouldn't have been surprised, really, because my mother also used to boil broccoli to death so that it had a gross texture and was bland and slightly bitter. One day I tried a raw broccoli flowerette before she could boil it and was surprised to find that it tasted sweet and good. I asked her if we could have it raw sometimes and she started putting broccoli flowerettes in the raw salads (the stalks were too tough and lacking in flavor for us, but I later learned an Asian trick of angled thin-slicing of the stalks and lightly steaming or stir-frying them to make them easier to chew and digest, though I know that's out here and when markets started selling broccoli heads without the stalks years ago I started buying those instead of dealing with the stalks).
That's one thing that causes me to question the pro-cooking dogma. If cooking veggies like parsnips and broccoli flowerettes is so natural and essential and we have adapted to it so well, why do they taste better to me raw?
I like the mustard/radish taste of daikon too, but found that I can't eat a whole small daikon without getting stomach upset, whereas I can eat multiple parsnips with no problems, so it's nice to find something that gives me a similar taste sensation without any unwanted side effects.
How primitive do you want to be? I live off-grid in the Colorado Rockies and have 30 goats I need help with. I've been looking for someone who would like to live in a very primitive way, in a tipi and/or a wicki-up built out of indigenous materials. We have the land to offer, but that's all. Meaning - I don't have enough money to offer someone food as well as a place to be. So, I'd only ask for about 10 hours of help a week. Mostly mucking out and come spring milking twice a week maybe.Wov, in the Colorado Rockies built of indigenous materials :-) I guess that would be a shocker for me in the wintertime because I'm a big city boy. I would be interested but I'm looking for something more stable even though money isn't a concern for me at all. I have a lot more to offer, and living in the wilderness without any other human contact isn't appealing to me at all.
Our land is an hour's drive from the nearest city. Our nearest neighbor (outside the small community that lives on this land) is a mile away. We live on 160 acres, surrounded by national forest. Interested?
I just joined the forum today and was doing a bit of reading before going to the intro site, but I guess now that I'm writing this post, I'd better get over there and do an intro, lol.
Hello, folks. I joined this forum today, after doing a search about raw food and leaky gut syndrome. I've been eating a raw vegan diet for about a month. My plan was to test each individual food for allergy reaction and then add back in foods that did not cause problems. My primary difficulty is pain, caused by inflammation. The very first food I tested was eggs - cooked. Two days later, I was back into massive pain. I assumed egg allergy until I discovered the relationship between leaky gut syndrome and protein. Then my daughter suggested that there might be a difference between cooked or raw protein. That started another direction in my search and led me to the idea of eating animal proteins raw instead of cooked.I'm pretty sure that eating a raw food diet consisting of animal products is going to help you solve your problems. Madam, I have recently posted a thread on the forum as I'm looking for a job on a farm in return for food and accomodation and I was wonering if you have need any assistance on your farm? I'm a 24 year old male pre-medicine college student who is a hard worker and I have been a personal trainer and a medic in the armed forces. I have also played ice hockey at the elite level for 15 years, therefore, I'm not afraid of getting my hands dirty and working hard. Please let me know if you and your husband need any help on your farm as I'm willing to work extremely hard in return for the experience and for good quality animal foods. I'm certain that my knowledge regarding health, fitness, and nutrition can help you alleviate and perhaps resolve your health problems.
I'm game to try anything that will help me. The pain in every joint is simply unbearable and no longer worth living through. I'm also morbidly obese and game to try anything that will help me lose weight without making my health worse.
I am also rabidly anti-allopathic medicine. The only place allopathic medicine belongs is in the emergency room treating accidents. There, they shine. But the only thing MD's do for disease is make the patient worse.
I live with my husband in wilderness, off-grid, in the mountains. I'm 62, have three grown children and ten grandchildren. I'm part of a small community that is working toward self-sufficiency. I have 30 goats. My son has four cows and a bunch of pigs. We also have chickens. We're working on creating a garden. It's a challenge at 8000ft. elevation.
I'm hopeful that I'll discover a way to maintain raw food and improve my health. I've tried raw vegan several times, but never lasted because I started craving meat so badly. Maybe this is my answer.
I experimented with baked squash when I was pre diabetic, I had mixed results. My sugars wouldn't spike as much as it did with grains but I still had trouble with carbs in general.You mentioned that you have BAKED the squash... that means that you've cooked it, some squash is high on the GI so of course if you ate it cooked it spiked your blood glucose. Have it raw next time if you can digest it and I'm pretty sure that it won't be as bad
Right now my main carb is coconut and lemon water, although I have had a few berry's without any issues, it seems my diabetes has been cured but I still want to play it safe by waiting a little longer to add more carbs.
Hey Stas86,Of course I don't eat 100 grams of carbs before bed. 40g at the max! I don't eat starchy carbs during during the day unless I'm working out, but I eat a few red peppers and and chew on celery during the day which also have a few carbs. for 100 carbs you would have to 2 pounds of squash which wouldn't be a very good idea if you were to eat this with a pound of meat :-)
So you eat all your carbs in one meal just before you go to bed then?
As you mentioned in a separate post needing maybe 100g of carbs per day, does this not spike your blood sugar, even when eaten with your chicken or fish?
Cheers
It doesn't say how much starch is in there, that's the point.Subtract the fructose content and you'll get the starch content
http://nutritiondata.self.com/facts/vegetables-and-vegetable-products/2647/2
High five for conservation!Just cut them into smaller pieces and enjoy them raw
Do you prepare them in any way? Or do you just gulp them down?
By the way, can anyone shed light on the starches in squash?Bro you may be analyzing things too much...go to www.nutritiondata.com type in squash, choose the kind you want and analyze all of your vitamins, minerals, carbs, fructose, starch, fattys acids, etc. 1 pound of butternut squash has about 54 grams of carbs and is full of other vitamins and minerals
The nutritional info says about 12g carb/100g. About 2 from sugars, about 2 fibre. No figure for starch, so I guess this is the difference about 8g/100g. Maybe they don't measure this separately?
Hey Stas86,I eat my meats separate from the carbs, but before going to sleep i usually have 3/4 of Acorn, Butternut squash, or parsnips with either chicken or fish so that I will sleep like a baby. I wouldn't mind my meats with the carbs with my other meals as it doesn't cause any digestion problems for me. Meat digests in an acidic environment and the carbs are alkaline but I don't have a problem with combing. No sugar spikes for me because I never eat the carbs by themselves. I just don't crave them and eating the starches or veggies separately just doesn't appeal to me. Actually, I eat some delicious raw red peppers by themselves because to me that's like eating chocolate and I take my time to savor this godly creation. I hope that someone mentions that red peppers aren't paleo because they're nightshades :-) The vitamin C content is amazing and sometimes I eat up to 8 peppers at a sitting.
Couple of questions. Just read your post regarding adrenal function, and needing a reasonable carb intake.
Do you combine your raw meats with raw veg, or do you always eat them seperate?
If you eat quite a lot of carbs do you eat them all in one sitting?
If you eat your carbs seperate, then how do you get on with the blood sugar spike being adrenally fatigued?
What do you use to grind/crush your squash?
Cheers,
Phil
Also Stas86, can you get decent quality chicken in the US to eat raw. Or do you eat non-organic, grain-fed meats raw?You get some very good quality chicken from local farmers, but that's not an option for me right now so I just get mine from the supermarket. I buy the MBA Organic free-range chicken from the supermarket which is obviously a step down from the chicken that you can from the farmers, but I've never had problems with it at all and I've eaten up to 3 pounds daily when I craved it. I've even tried the regular supermarket chicken and I would definitely advise people to stay away from those as I've felt really bad afterwards. But the organic free-range supermarket chicken should be fine if you can't get grass-fed chickens. Chicken breasts are the best sources of niacin and vitamin b6 out there, and when combined with a little bit of butter, avocado, or some other animal fat can be quite tasty as well. Grain fed is obviously a bad choice if you can choose between grass-fed and grain fed, but if you're a college student like me, you have to go with what you can afford sometimes. I prefer to eat Wild Caught fatty fish, Oysters, Clams, Lamb and eggs instead of poultry. The chicken is very soothing for the nervous system and it can definitely help a person relax probably due to the niacin and other b vitamins that it contains.
I have often combined eating high-meat with eating raw, fresh meat and that did nothing to alter high-meat's effects. However, combining high-meat with cooked food of any kind rendered the effects of high-meat mostly or wholly null and void. In the past, I often used to eat some high-meat before going to a cooked dinner or some such, as the ingestion of high-meat helped prevent the hangover-like effect I otherwise later got from eating cooked foods, and it also helped improve my digestion of the cooked foods, no doubt due to the excess bacteria in it.Thanks a lot for the information...I don't eat any cooked foods so I'm assuming I'm going to be OK eating it with other raw meats.
What are these benefits you mention from high meat? Surely not the taste!I like the taste of high chicken, other benefits would be better digestion, improved mood and energy and euphoric feeling. It's worth eating it, but its a pain the ass airing out all of those jars outside :-)
Thinking of trying out some in the near future.
Worth it?
Phil
I tried some smoked fish skins over the weekend and loved them!Fish skins are the most delicious food in the world. This morning, I had one pound of whole raw mackerel with the skin, bones, eyes and everything. I love the skin of raw salmon and I always ask the fishmonger for any extra skins if people decide to skin their fish. Eat the skin bro... it's awesome! Shame on anyone who throws away the skin :-) Send it over to me and I'll savour every single bite :-)
They were the bellies so they are much softer than the top.
I was wondering if anyone has enjoyed eating them raw?
Hi,
A big thank you to everyone for getting involved in this thread as I never knew it would generate so much thought and i've taken a lot out of it to help me on my diet.
One very helpful post for me was from stas86 when he talked about his knowing that he needed some carbs back in when he got bad insomnia, racing mind, poor recovery etc as this is exactly what happens to me. I've tried zero carb a number of times as I strongly believe in it but it just woiuldn't work for me either and i'm now at the stage where I need my deep sleep back and my body to relax more whilst I train for my event. So, looks like i'm going to be trying out butternut squash as per stas' approach, celeriac as per Francois' post and getting sufficient carbs in from other raw veg options (too much fruit gives me a racing mind also) and sweet potatoes. For now, i'm done with measuring ratios and levels of carbs etc and instead will just be eating what I want to eat as long as its raw and should be good for me. As Francois mentioned in another post, I dont think our ancestors thought too much about quantities of fat, protein & carbs so think i'll take their approach for a bit...... I feel less stressed just writing that ha ha
I'm glad that I could help out because its pretty obvious that I'm not the only who has had these problems. It's a relief for me as well to know that I'm not the only one who experiences these issues when completely cutting out carbs. The funny thing is that I don't crave the carbohydrates at all, but the insomnia and the other issues are just unbearable. Quality of life is more important than trying to follow some kind of strict belief which doesn't always suit every single individual. Come on people, we're already eating as healthy as we can by eating good quality raw animal foods and I don't think that a few carbs from root veggies or fruits have ever killed anyone. I hope that didn't sound too biased towards eating the squashes but I after trying all of the other root vegetables, I found them to suit me the best. Carrots, parsnips, and plantains are also delicious but not as nutritious as the squash. Fruits, other than plantains don't seem to work as well when it comes to carbs for me, perhaps because of the fructose which is metabolized differently. However, stressing about these silly trivial things is going to do far more harm than eating any kind of carbohydrates.
Another quote I liked and feel deserved a quote was from Yuli.
I have to agree here as just because something was not available (as far as we know) back in paleo times doesn't mean it wouldn't be good for us and I know that once I try the squash, if it works for me and makes me feel good,strong and healthy (whilst "facilitating corpse like sleep" ) along with the raw meat, fat and organs i'll be eating then i'll keep it on the menu.
Sounds like a wise plan to me bro... The corpse like sleep definitely beats the benefits of eating any kind of meat or organs :-) Maybe:-) Sounds
Thanks again.
thanksI know that you weren't criticizing, I'm just sick of people who always try to find something wrong with foods that I think are harmless unless they're suffering from orthorexia or are a serious psychological problem that causes them to demonize foods such as squash, carrots and other completely perfect carbohydrates sources. I read everything from Vonderplanitz, Lyle McDonald, and all fo the gurus out there. From my experience the best diet is a raw protein/fat diet with the addition of carbs tailored towards the specific individual. I know that I will never eat cooked foods unless I have no other choice and my life depends on it. However to demonize carbohydrates from foods such as squashes, root vegetables is insane. Matt Stone has a lot of good information on his blog, but his dietary advice is absolutely ridiculous. Cooked foods and the diet that he currently recommends is not healthy at all and I just ignore that part. But he is right about a lot of things such as low carb causing problems and other things. I was an elite ice hockey player and a boxer and I love being active, and I made a big mistake thinking that I was eating the prefect diet of our ancestors full of meat and fat while thinking that carbs are "bad" and that they're not essential. They may not be essential in an anatomy/physiology book, but as I've come to find out, they are essential for some individuals in order to stay healthy.
yeah I wasn't criticizing, I was more curious how you are actually testing for these things. I get my thyroid checked but it from a conventional doc, and I hear those are not very accurate. I've been experimenting around the same time, with around 3 years of raw veg before that. I experienced alot of really negative symptoms you describe when I first attempted a 100% raw primal type diet and had little access to animal fats and butter etc..was doing mainly fish which is why I asked. I have alot of skepticism with all this stuff. I came into VLC again this time around with major adrenal type symptoms and sleep, and while i'm sure it is not completely resolved, I still seem to be on the upside of the hill at the very least. :/
My problem with Stone is he has so little personal experience that he's equally bad to all the fruitarian upstart gurus in not really knowing the end results. I mean I have other stoo but that suffices. I was really strutting my 100 VLC temp a few months back but after a few weird responses from some wintery handshakes I took my temp this week and it was down in the 97s FWIW. Ive been trying (cooked) starches myself here and there so yeah, i'm genuinely interested in this stuff and interested in long term health and yeah getting the most bang for my buck in workouts and other 'superficial' things. As I've said on this forum before i've had pretty reverse effects in regards to positives and negatives commonly related to VLC diets, so its all interesting to me how this shit works out or not for people. I definitely do not think 'carbohydrates' are bad. I do tend to think there is a reason that traditional peoples choose starch over fruits (of which most modern varieties may cause problems in excess), and it ain't taste or 'addictions'.
do you read Lyle McDonalds stuff? there must be a more reliable source other than 180.