random arm pain

[svrn]

two nights ago I woke up in the middle of the night and both of my arms (the whole arm) and my chest and back and shoulders to a lesser extent were extremely sore to the point it wouldnt let me sleep. I took a hot bath and this provided a bit of relief. I eventually smoked a bunch of greenery and was able to fall asleep despite the pain. When I woke up it was gone. Then I went to bed yesterday again with no pain and again I woke up in the middle of the night and this time my left arm hurt just as bad and my right arm a lot less i did the same thing as the day before but when I woke up again the pain was still there but in both arms, although the left was still a lot worse. Now its five hours later and the pain is a lot more faint but still there.

I have no idea what this could be. I havent done any strenuous exercise for 3 days before this started so I am ruling out normal muscle soreness from working out. It feels different anyway.

Could this be a detox? Has anyone ever experienced such a thing?

[Dorothy]

That's a central nervous system thang. Yeah - I've had that. Adjusting my neck and spine (I do that for myself) took care of it. You're probably sleeping in a position that is distorting your spine.

If you can't do stretches, adjustments or change your position or bed to help with it - then maybe a chiropractor or physical therapist could help you out.

I've also ONLY had such things when not on the ideal diet for myself. When I'm eating just right my neck, shoulder blades and spine really open and get flexible. That's the first place that seems to seize up when the energy is thwarted by diet. So many meridians merge up at the shoulders and neck.

I remember the first time I went all raw I was absolutely amazed that there was no tightness and pain in my shoulder blades - actually - I didn't even know that my back was so tight and in pain because I had the sensation all my life - until I got on a good diet for the first time.

Also - all those things can be problems radiating from up higher. That's the way the central nervous system works.

[svrn]

What do you mean problems radiating from higher?

I am eating just right and have been feeling particularly great before this happened which is all the more confusing.

[Dorothy]

If you have problems in your neck you can feel that all the way down your body whereas if you have a pinched nerve in your lower back you aren't going to get numbness, tingling, pain up higher from that. You can have a nerve in your middle upper back pinched and it can make you incontinent - but it's not going affect the nerves going say up your neck. If you have a nerve pinched in your wrist it will give you wrist pain - but you can also get wrist pain from a nerve being pinched in the elbow or the neck.

Of course if your spine is off anywhere it can affect how you hold yourself both standing and sleeping and affect the spine up higher which THEN can affect those places - but you get the point right? Your problem would be caused by nerves in your upper back OR could be caused by something up higher in your neck - but not from your lower spine. If however your lower spine or even feet are off that could cause the neck or upper back problems just because it could change your gate.

Basically - I'm saying that the primary place that is most likely to be affecting you that way are nerves being pinched in your upper back or above and of those two - most likely in your upper back.

Do you do any stretching. Something as simple as laying backward over the edge of your bed or doing cat/cow yoga movements (are you familiar?) and rotational exercises could help. One of the things I really love is a hard roller that I Iay back over and rub my upper back on. I get all sorts of pops and cracks and it really feels wonderful.

You might just have a little something out of place that gets pushed a little further out of place when sleeping. I've had stuff like that happen in different parts of my spine that I've reversed by yoga/stretching and massage. Of course numbness and tingling down the arms - especially down the left arm and especially the pinky could be indications of heart disease as well - but somehow I can't imagine you having that problem when feeling so good otherwise. Basically - the heart meridian runs down the arm to the pinky. Even if it's just the spine and not the heart - to me the fact that the heart meridians are being affected would make me want to correct the problem asap.

Neck, arm and upper back stretching is what I would do. Have you stretched before? Do you know how?

 

[svrn]

Yeah I do yoga almost every day.
THere is no numbness involved. Just simple soreness/pain

[Dorothy]

Yeah I do yoga almost every day.
THere is no numbness involved. Just simple soreness/pain

Oh - I know that you didn't say numbness - that was just part of the example and usually a later symptom of pinched nerves.

So you do yoga every day - great! Do you know when you put one arm up and over your head towards your back and the other arm up and back from below (if you are flexible you can hold hands behind your back)? If the tension/pinching is happening in your rotator cuffs or the upper center of your back doing that position can help sometimes.

Another one is standing up with hands clasped together behind your backside. Bend forward and pull your arms upward and forward with your arms straight. That one also might help.

[goodsamaritan]

See both an acupuncturist and a chiropractor.

[Dorothy]

......... if you can afford them.
people can and do get hurt by chiropractors - so I would suggest to try yoga, then acupuncturist first.

[svrn]

Some additional info, when only my left arm was hurting I looked at the veins on the wrist and the veins on my left wrist were a good deal thicker than the ones at the right. Also during this time a wart on my left arm disappeared. Could this indicate that the pain was my body pushing something out and this was just detox? Did aajonus say muscle soreness is part of detox or am I mistaken?

Thanks for those moves dorothy. I actually never do any specifically arm based stretches at all and will definitly be incorporating those into my routine regardless of what happens with this current issue. I already did the first one a bit and it felt pretty good.

I wouldnt just seek out a random acupuncturist. I went to one once and he did more harm than good. I would need a very good recommendation to allow somebody like chiro or acupuncturist to manipulate my body like that. Not to mention the fact that international bankers robbed my country and therefore I am very low on federal reserve notes. So therefore going to specialists like that would be a last resort and would also need a good reccomendation.

[Rawr]

Did aajonus say muscle soreness is part of detox or am I mistaken?

Yes he did. And considering your description of what happened, I would consider it very likely. And I wouldn't worry about it unless it's bothering your "functionality" a lot.

[Dorothy]

Troll I was thinking of you this morning when doing my arm stretches. I get energy stuck similarly to what you seem to be experiencing sometimes so I find the stretching can really help. Since you liked them I'll describe to you what I've been doing to help all the meridians between my shoulder blades up my shoulders and down my arms lately.

I lay with my head at the corner of the bed. I let my head go back some to get a backward neck stretch because my head goes forward so much that it feels nice for me - but that's not the important part or necessary. At the corner like that I can then let my arms go out to the sides and above my head and the gravity gives such a nice opening stretch in all directions. I can move my arms to exactly the spots that feel like they need it and can delicately manipulate the amount of stretching and opening. So that stretch where you put your arm up and over your head and reach back - I do that laying down. I find that this opens up my upper back between my shoulder blades and really opens the energy through my rotator cuffs which is a place where the energy tends to get blocked sometimes for me. When my rotator cuffs are blocked I will get the sensations that you describe. Then I lay to the side over the edge with my arm over my head to get a nice good long stretch for the neck muscle (sternocleidomastoid - one of my favorite words) and the under part of the arm and rotator cuff.

Totally here you on the need for excellent references - but even with those I've had some pretty bad experiences with allowing others to manipulate my energy and body. I bet you can help your body to open up and detox on your own. Cramping and pain can be signs of detox - but of course you never really know until it moves through right? Either way if you are feeling like you've hit on the diet that really works for you and you are feeling great otherwise I betcha RawR's right.

Glad I could help a little with some new moves. 

[svrn]

Those moves sound great, unfortunately the two ends of my bed are bordered with a wood plank that goes slightly above the mattress so hanging over the edge is not an option since the wood is in the way.

I feel like im on the diet thats working for me, I havent had a green vegetable in a few months however so perhaps thats what im lacking. Im gonna do a bit of juicing to see if it helps at all.

[Dorothy]

Ah too bad about the bed. If you have a weight-lifting bench that would work too but not as comfy.

Experimenting with adding a little greenery can't hurt. The large intestine meridian also moves through the arm to the first finger btw.

Please keep us posted as to what happens when you add the juice!

[svrn]

Now I feel the same exact pain in one of my legs. Could this mean that it is a detox and that toxins are moving around in my body?

[Dorothy]

Now I feel the same exact pain in one of my legs. Could this mean that it is a detox and that toxins are moving around in my body?

Ya know - it's pretty much impossible to know - especially long distance.... but I would guess that you might have some inflammation happening.

What are you eating these days? Did you start adding some juice yet?

[svrn]

Iv been juicing the past few days. Havent noticed too much difference in the arm pains. They have gotten better but I dont know if I can attribute it to the juice. the celery juice with a bit of parsley (undiluted) and orange juice diluted in mineral water iv added recently have been making me feel better in general so I think im keeping those two around for a while either way. I feel like these juices are cleaning out my insides and do make my digestive system feel cleansed.

Isnt the fact that its pain mean its inflammation? Wouldnt the fact that its inflammation not rule out it being a detox?

[Dorothy]

Pain and inflammation do kind of go together. Injuries can cause inflammation or even lots of white blood cells fighting and dying can cause inflammation etc. What I meant is that it seems like more of a systemic inflammation if it was in your arms and back and now in your legs.

Detox is one of the most amorphous evil words in the realm of diets imho. It can make people ignore and tolerate outrageous things. Anything and everything can be attributed to it and verifying that something is a detox is almost impossible. General guideline I use is that I would consider something to be a detox only if it lasts a short time at the beginning of a new diet or inclusion/exclusion of a food or supplement. Otherwise, I would assume that something is not right and needs to be addressed. Doesn't mean that things aren't detoxes otherwise - it's just that this way the "belief blinders" for which the word "detox" is used to keep in place can be more easily avoided. As long as I'm having any symptoms or don't feel good for more than a week or two, if I don't believe it is detox, then I can keep my observation, thinking and problem solving options going. It's just too easy to fall into a belief system about health and diet and then call negative symptoms that falls out of the belief system detox.

[svrn]

what do you mean by systemic inflammation?

Also I feel that if detoxes are real, they would occur at throughout ones entire life not just when starting a diet. This is because even if one has as perfect a diet as possible today and becomes completely clean, they will still be inhaling chemtrails and being affected by all sorts of other pollution in their day to day lives (especially city dwellers like myself) which will need to be detoxed as it accumulates.

[Dorothy]

what do you mean by systemic inflammation?

Also I feel that if detoxes are real, they would occur at throughout ones entire life not just when starting a diet. This is because even if one has as perfect a diet as possible today and becomes completely clean, they will still be inhaling chemtrails and being affected by all sorts of other pollution in their day to day lives (especially city dwellers like myself) which will need to be detoxed as it accumulates.

Yes, but when you detox things as they accumulate (as you have all along) it doesn't usually make you get new symptoms. Your immune system and organs just do what they have been doing and out things go. Detox is when things get suddenly overwhelmed or pulled forth for cleansing. Usually, that's because you are newly exposed to a toxin or because you are doing something new to speed things up and get out old "gunk". Yes you can go through deep detoxes, but it's not like suddenly you are going to be getting pains that don't go away and it's going to be a detox...... unless you are detoxing something so bad from long-held fat cells that it is doing new damage as it is released - and if that is the case - it's not a good thing anyway and the diet/supplement should be changed/modified to slow that down anyway. The herxheimer reaction for instance can be quite dangerous. So what it comes down to is if the symptoms are not reducing or getting worse and continue to do so for more than a short period - they should be taken seriously and not just written off as detox. Something has to change if the pain continues.

Some part of you can get inflamed or you can have an inflammation cycle happen through your whole system. Examples would be if you if get an injury (even from sleeping wrong) so one particular area is inflamed - or you have an injury so that gets inflamed like when you bang a part of yourself and get a bump but if you say have arthritis it's a problem involving your entire system even if the arthritis is felt the most in only a couple of places the worst. Does that make sense?

[Raww]

Yes he did. And considering your description of what happened, I would consider it very likely. And I wouldn't worry about it unless it's bothering your "functionality" a lot.

("Rawr" = [me] = "Raww")
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