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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #1 on: June 29, 2016, 07:58:09 am »
Neanderthals it seems were the advanced and CIVILIZED peoples of the earth.

This is why the rest of the more advanced people who can do abstract thinking, mathematics and construction and engineering are US... the peoples who have neanderthal blood.

The humans left in the heart of Africa who do not have neanderthal blood have even difficulty making 2 story structures, have lacking abstract thinking, no written language.

And just like today, the neanderthal blooded humans are those with falling fertility rates.

The black african non neanderthal blooded have the higher fertility rates... above replacement level.
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #2 on: June 29, 2016, 08:45:26 am »
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2016, 10:01:55 am »
Dude, this place embarrasses me.

I understand your PC adherence to your race is not real fantasy.  Yet geneticists and true scientists observe that racial differences are REAL.  And this is a global forum with different cultures coming from various places around the world.  So just let us who are interested in contributing to this topic discuss what needs to be discussed in the name of science instead of PC censorship.
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #4 on: June 29, 2016, 10:35:59 am »
The most hate-filled, hopeless people I've ever met were members of my own race, doomed by circumstances--lack of opportunity and education. Don't tell me they are superior to anyone.

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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #5 on: June 29, 2016, 11:55:45 am »
The most hate-filled, hopeless people I've ever met were members of my own race, doomed by circumstances--lack of opportunity and education. Don't tell me they are superior to anyone.

Do share the details so we know what you are alluding to.

I re-read your statement and you know white people who are terrible.

Sure, every race does have extreme examples.

What we are talking about here are Neanderthals were actually an advanced civilization with art, culture, architecture... technology know how.

And that the current core African blacks have zero neanderthal blood / hybridization in them.

These core African blacks are still reproducing above replacement... which is a GOOD thing from their point of view.

While the rest of the human race has Neanderthal blood.

The neanderthal infused peoples are different in their behavior, abilities, skills, which extends to their current civilization.

These Neanderthal infused people are most of the ones BELOW REPLACEMENT in fertility rates and are slated again to be EXTINCT.

Interesting.
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #6 on: June 29, 2016, 07:25:58 pm »
Muslims have been reproducing at a very high rate for the last 30 years or so. What racial theory explains that?

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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #7 on: June 29, 2016, 08:19:44 pm »
Muslims have been reproducing at a very high rate for the last 30 years or so. What racial theory explains that?
Religion is now heavily influencing the birth-rate due to focus on family, in the absence of tribal cultures such as found in palaeo times. Not all religions, of course,  mainly those which are anti-Liberal in tone. Of course, a higher fertility-rate can be  racial in origin(for example, Negroes are more likely to give birth to twins).

GS, I would not harp on too much on the theme of superiority of any kind, if I were you, especially as intelligence  is not really testable as yet(only IQ tests, not intelligence). Let me give you a few examples to prove my point:-

1) The Cro-Magnon hunter-gatherers were far more intelligent than modern humans, with c.11+% larger average brain-size and were also built far better on the physical front given better genetics due to natural selection over the countless millenia. The settled communities were way dumber by comparison with smaller average brains and with physically weaker bodies due to poorer diets and  which were far more prone to disease within crowded communities of the time- but, because of greater social cooperation, they still managed to defeat the hunter-gatherers over time.

2)The Sassanid Persians had a vastly complicated culture and society, one of the finest of the Ancient World. Yet, they were easily beaten by a bunch of worthless, uncultured, inbred desert bandits from the Arabian Peninsula.

3) I am also not exactly convinced of the so-called "intelligence" of any ethnic group on this planet. Take the current Brexit crisis here in Europe, for example. I have recently had several Liberals,  two of whom(worryingly!) are relatives, talking to me hysterically  over the phone etc. about how terrible it is that Britain has turned against the EU because, now,they say it will be more difficult  to invite in the millions more  "refugees" into Europe. Now, since Saudi Arabia and Qatar, both instigators of the current Middle-Eastern crisis in Syria et al,  have had the intelligence to refuse to invite these  fellow-ethnic refugees/rapefugees/dregs of society  into their own countries with the obvious claim that they are all wannabe terrorists or criminals etc., it has come to my mind that such Liberals, if they had been present in a more enlightened/less decadent society from hundreds or thousands of years ago , would simply have been put into  a home for "special" people.

Assad is being very clever indeed in shoving all the dregs of Syrian society into Europe(and Putin is gloating too). Assad  seems to be copying Castro who emptied  the Cuban prisons and lunatic asylums and sent them onto the US.

GS, it might be wiser not to sidetrack the Neanderthal threads with more modern references in future. All I want to show is that the previous  dubious Out of Africa notions that Neanderthals were somehow dumber than modern humans or that they were a wholly separate species were   simply not true. That seemed clear even in the 1970s to me already, despite Neanderthals being unfairly portrayed then  as being apelike.
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #8 on: June 29, 2016, 10:08:45 pm »
Top 20 Countries with the highest fertility rates in 2015

Statistics state it so:

Seems only the Afghans are the neanderthal infused people who have high fertility rates.

The rest seem to be non-neanderthal infused

This supports my observation that maybe neanderthal blood is meant to keep on being extinct.

Lucky are the non-neanderthal infused people.

http://www.statista.com/graphic/1/262884/countries-with-the-highest-fertility-rates.jpg

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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #9 on: June 30, 2016, 12:55:41 am »
I am also not exactly convinced of the so-called "intelligence" of any ethnic group on this planet.

TD, that's because you are not using the Two-Story Structure IQ Test.

GS, every group, whether it be religious, ethnic, racial, you-name-it, thinks itself superior. In behavioral science, is it called self-deception, and it is considered a norm of human behavior. You can read about it here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Self-deception

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Self-deception is a process of denying or rationalizing away the relevance, significance, or importance of opposing evidence and logical argument. Self-deception involves convincing oneself of a truth (or lack of truth)....

GS, once you learn why self-deception is so important to the human thought process, you can stop claiming that your personal self-deception is true. NOBODY's personal self-deception is true.
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #10 on: June 30, 2016, 01:13:49 am »
I would go further and reasonably claim that all ethnicities/tribes etc. have their own myriad differences/advantages/disadvantages over other types for whatever reason. For example, I might personally frown nowadays on the suitability of those with a gene or two  for cystic fibrosis, but if we were faced in the future with a mass worldwide  epidemic of tuberculosis without the option of antibiotics etc. due to antibiotics apocalypse issues, then they would be the most likely to survive.
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #11 on: June 30, 2016, 02:52:53 am »
TD, that's because you are not using the Two-Story Structure IQ Test.


I wondered about that, and was told that the above reference was to the WISC IV and SB5 tests, which are not necessarily viewed as being accurate measures of intelligence:-

http://journals.cambridge.org/action/displayAbstract?fromPage=online&aid=8615015

This claims to be the most accurate:-
http://www.rutherfordiq.com
 I will try it tomorrow!
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #12 on: June 30, 2016, 07:45:16 am »
GS, once you learn why self-deception is so important to the human thought process, you can stop claiming that your personal self-deception is true. NOBODY's personal self-deception is true.

I do not know what personal self deception you are talking about.

All I know is that this topic is INTERESTING.

And that there are sciences, and mathematics, and statistics that can be used to observe the world around us.

And I will continue to freely share and discuss things in the name of SCIENCE!

Progress!

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For the new viewers to catch up on my hypothesis that the neanderthals were everybody else outside of Africa.

Here are a few videos to munch on.

Neanderthal PEOPLE are Genetically NON-AFRICAN

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5HZhB4ecS8


How Neanderthal are you? Tracing our genetic ancestry | Natural History Museum

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tl-hI2IsCo0

and

Are We the Last Neanderthals?

Neanderthals fascinate us: so much like us, yet not quite us. We have long known that they overlapped with modern humans in prehistoric Europe, but recent genetic evidence suggests widespread interbreeding of the two groups. University of Wisconsin biological anthropologist John Hawks is at the forefront of this species-shaking research. He presents the latest findings from the lab and field and discusses what may or may not make us uniquely human.

This program is presented in partnership with the Center for the Humanities and the Institute for Research in the Humanities at the University of Wisconsin at Madison.

Video produced by Pentimenti Productions.

This program was recorded on November 2, 2013 as part of the 24th Chicago Humanities Festival.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uRCVyJ7-0c

If you had taken the time to watch, then you are truly interested in this fascinating science of Neanderthals and us who survive carrying their genetics.
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #13 on: June 30, 2016, 10:39:39 am »
Intelligence is optimal when in balance with the environmental demands, be that in the minds of Mice or Men. The races differentiated out of regional environmental differences, in accord with the great muta-genetic spirit. It is believed by many that certain regions gave rise to adaptions in highly differentiated hominids which enabled higher cognitive function than in the others....but these are subjective opinions at best, and even if there is a hint of truth in thus, there is the dangerous reality that such notions are vulnerable to prejudice and self deception.( History if full of evidence for this)

Its not so much race that a primal factor in shaping intelligence, as it is environmental demands that intelligently shape the essence of what is perceived as racial differences, manifesting in human form. Any level of intelligence which is to be advantageous must be supported by a myriad of incalculable environmental factors in order for it to be maintained and elevated and then passed through the lineages. A certain level of peak experience has been attained by individuals spanning the rainbow of the many racial subgroups.  Each era produces its peak being, and manifest the genuine genius genus in their own right, as the eons flux, each eminent mind endowed with its own form of intelligence. Any talk of superiority of one form of human to any other can only be taken in the context of the environment which one is competing. 

There likely have been forms of human whom possessed a quantitative advantage in individual brain power that some would say has greater prowess and potential, than could be found in any individual Human alive today,  but since raw intelligence is only one of the factors in survival of the fittest, these larger brains must have had some liabilities made them give way to racially differentiated forms with smaller brains which were more streamlined and better capable of working collectively.

Environ-mental imperatives continue to work upon the human condition in mysterious ways, these forces work above the level of our racial profiling, and what exactly is being worked out is a mystery , largely beyond the scope of human intellect to recognize.
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #14 on: June 30, 2016, 03:04:33 pm »
Minor note:- I should add that a far more likely explanation is not the environment but sexual selection as regards origin of Caucasians as we are nowhere near  as adapted to the cold as Orientals/East Asians. Darwin suggested this idea.  Environment may not play a major part as regards other ethnic groups, either - consider the blond Australian Aborigines, for example.

I am a bit annoyed with anthropologists, though. There seems far too much emphasis in the DM and elsewhere on Neanderthals and much less on the Cro-Magnon .
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #15 on: July 01, 2016, 08:16:07 am »
Neanderthals' legacy may be that they suck at reproducing.

Neanderthals are easily educated to self extinction.

Conservative values + contraception promotion + career womanism + low testosterone / low libido + belief in delayed reproduction (to never because they get too old)

See the top 20 LOWEST fertility rate countries.... ALL NEANDERTHAL infused people

http://www.statista.com/statistics/268083/countries-with-the-lowest-fertility-rates/

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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #16 on: July 01, 2016, 10:54:42 am »
Minor note:- I should add that a far more likely explanation is not the environment but sexual selection as regards origin of Caucasians as we are nowhere near  as adapted to the cold as Orientals/East Asians. Darwin suggested this idea.  Environment may not play a major part as regards other ethnic groups, either - consider the blond Australian Aborigines, for example.

I am a bit annoyed with anthropologists, though. There seems far too much emphasis in the DM and elsewhere on Neanderthals and much less on the Cro-Magnon .

Point taken- Here are some counter points....

The fact that Caucasian sub groups are not as biologically cold adapted as east Asian sub groups, points to the possibility the Proto-Caucasians whom traveled to Northern Europe from warmer territories and eventual evolved into the Nordics "already evolved the precursors of much higher levels of intelligence"....so they may have already had the brain capacity needed to sew very high quality clothing from skins, before moving into the Iceland tundra (Existence Precedes Essence) The trial by ice which they had to undergo in order to establish themselves in the land of the Neanderthal, along with other factors such as, sexual selection and feeding copiously on the flesh of the mega fauna, may have given them the final push towards ever higher levels of intelligence.

The Proto-Asian races moved to the cold windy northern plains, much earlier than the development of cold insulating technology.... braving cold for countless generations when a good number of the Nordics ancestors were sunning in the Mediterranean, forced the Asian Group to undergo more pronounced biological adaptations to cold climates... the traces of these developments were retained even after mastering better insulation technology .

I see sexual selection as being integrated into the environmental process, though I acknowledged human sexual selection is a more highly evolved aspect, a true game changer, which has been evoked to an unprecedented pinnacle within the human species. The primal urges has merged forces with the emerging and continually evolving intellect, to create a force of nature that transcends all previous modes of evolution.

Consciously attuned and well chosen mates became much more important, to peoples who needed the highest levels of operation to survive. You could have a mate that is fertile and physically strong, but if they are too stupid to help you make custom furs for the whole family, then the whole clan would freeze to death.  In these desperate times, desperate measures had to be taken, and the laws of attraction are constantly being underwritten.... these measures manifested in the emergence of "sapiosexuality" when seeking a mate hominids began to understand on deeper levels how intelligence was a valuable asset to seek in a mate.

The emergence of sapiosexuality culminated with all the other emergent environmental factors of paleo earth, to produce a rare flower. When mating became a consensus act between two empathetically connected beings , then procreation became an expression of consciousness which evoked it into being.   

The blossoming conditions behind these pre-civilized human love experiences, from which we all can trace a common origin, must have had a profound effect on our evolution. Understanding the fragility and fleeting qualities of these early conditions which birthed our world, may help with gaining perspective of the current situation before us, which I can only fathom to be the cusp of a complex and multifaceted eon flux.   
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Re: More evidence re Neanderthal intelligence and culture/science
« Reply #17 on: July 01, 2016, 11:02:59 am »
*facepalm* watching you guys trying to understand these topics is like watching SAD eaters try to discuss nutrition.

 

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