Does raw milk feed sibo or disbiosis

[ivanrk]

Hello,

 What do you think does carbs in raw milk feed sibo - all diets for sibo forbid raw milk because of lactose.
I know people that made their sibo worse by eating fruits or juices like banana and apples so RAW does not mean safe for sure. I mean if fructose or lactose transporters in the bowell are not working how will be lactose absorbed?

[sabertooth]

Any recommendation would have to take into account the underlying causal factors. In and of itself Dairy sugars and fruit sugars do not typically cause these kind of conditions....but I believe these foods can under some circumstances aggravate preexisting gut issues. 

Questions
Is the individual eating foods which irritate and inflame the gut?
Have they been damaged by past Antibiotic or other drug use?
Are they deficient in nutrients which would aid in healing?

[ivanrk]

Is the individual eating foods which irritate and inflame the gut?
- this is very difficult question - if someone have fructose malabsorbtion and eat apples what happens? - i guess inflammation,
Have they been damaged by past Antibiotic or other drug use?
- yes, definitely the gut is damaged
Are they deficient in nutrients which would aid in healing?
- i guess there is deficiency at least on B12

But i found posts on this forum about people eating zero carb raw paleo for 2 weeks without any improvement for sibo - i guess bacteria feed on saturated fats also because they can not be absorbed by damaged small intestine - so sibo feeds on carbs and fats then what remains - only protein? Or maybe bad bacteria does not feed on fructose and only putrefaction of fats and protein is a problem?

[sabertooth]

It sounds like a total gut ecology issue, and it would take longer than two weeks of ZC to mend.

There are a number of things that could be done, I would recommend intermittent fasting, perhaps start with a 3 day water fast....see if there are improvements with that....then reintroduce foods slowly...and remember quality maters. Start off real bland, with Raw meats, animal fats, leafy greens...ZC may not be the best way to go, so consider low carb for a period of time, and perhaps even a follow up intermittent fast. The old gut ecology needs to be cleared away and a new one built up with more optimal raw materials, its a process and it will take time.

Healing is a lifestyle so other issues must be dealt with, getting rid of drugs, medications, supplementation is also really important, so is eliminating stress.

Find time for relaxation, and I highly recommend regular sunbathing. Dont look for any quick fixes, it can take a couple of years to fully re-balance after antibiotics, even in ideal circumstances.

Get away from the idea that its a bacterial issue...bacteria overgrowth's are symptomatic of a greater systemic imbalance or toxicity....this will not be addressed mainstream mainstream methods...and even so called integrated medicine is somewhat dubious in their recommendations. Let thy food by thy medicine

Its difficult to give any real detailed recommendations second hand because there is no way of knowing, also there may be a reluctance by many to eliminate all their food intake for days at a time and come off a fast eating raw stomach smoothies, blood, and organ meats. 

[cobalamin]

If you don't have amalgam fillings or other metal fillings which inhibit and kill good bacteria. Then your cause could be either that you're overweight and/or simply physically inactive. The intestinal cells only produce antimicrobial peptides during physical activity to kill bad bacteria.

Dysbiosis is an imbalance between good and bad bacteria.

I would also recommend sleeping with the window open. Anaerobic bacteria tend to thrive when there is very little oxygen.

[ivanrk]

The theory for sibo is that this is good bacteria in the wrong place due to slow motility - i dont know if it is anaerobic bacteria. My hope is to eat low fructose fruits like granny smith apples - in my experience oranges, sweet apples, figs, dates, bananas are very bad. But raw honey seems to be even worse - so i am not sure if the problem is in the bacteria because raw honey should not feed sibo bacteria.
What can be the reason for someone to be worse when eating raw honey from honeycomb - here is what i think:
- SIBO
- fructose malabsorbtion
- some kind of detox or die off
- high salicilate content in honey
- simply too much sugar leading to magnesium loss
Unfortunately the net if full of disinformation and it is very difficult to find out what is the truth but i have seen much more success stories with fruit based diets than any other diet. I am trying to find out how raw honey is better than sweet fruit - Aajonus said that honey have enzymes similar to insulin - ok but this will help only for blood sugar - not for absorbtion in small intestine.

[sabertooth]

Unfortunately the net if full of disinformation and it is very difficult to find out what is the truth but i have seen much more success stories with fruit based diets than any other diet.

Im fairly adamant about the power of fasting, followed by abstinence of all sugar to deliver amazing results. It is a very easy and very safe way to try and remedy such problems....I dont know why the insistence on continued fruit consumption, in a case where most types of fruit and sugar are problematic?

Im doubtful that fruit based diets are the most successful in healing these kind of conditions....There is just as much bias in the pro fruit community as anywhere else on line, and citing stories put forth by fruit advocates, is hardly proof of anything.

On some level im sure there are some success stories, for those who eliminated the underlining problem foods and replaced it with a high fruit paleo diet....but that does not mean that for many people a more meat based diet would not offer much greater chances of a full and lasting recovery

[cobalamin]

Fasting is powerful without a doubt. However the source of chronic stress should be resolved at the same time.

Walk slow and catch yourself walking fast. In time the brain will be rewired.
Cut all contact with those who stress you out by changing your phone number, etc..
Throw out the television and radio. Too much drama.
Live a non domesticated life.

I find fruit and greens grown in north America to be the most toxic whether they are organic or not. Too many pesticides and other crap that is thrown on the land. I really miss the high quality produce from Italy and Europe in general. How I could eat kilos of stone fruits after a sprint and feel the protein synthesis. I agree though that fruit only diet doesn't work in the long run since there is a lack of Omega fatty acids for our large brain.