The ultimate food-Vitamin D? PUFAs?

[TylerDurden]

I've realised, over time, that certain foods really boost me, some in a good way(eggs(if in moderation), high-meat(in a different way), oysters,cod-liver-oil, many types of raw shellfish), and one in a bad way(raw dairy). I've been trying some raw cod liver oil for 6(?) months now, partly to offset any occasions when I eat crappy, grainfed meats(increasingly rare, as I've found more grassfed opprtunities abroad etc.). Anyway, I was thinking:- raw oysters and raw fermented cod-liver-oil (and raw eggs?) contain vitamin D, not to mention some PUFAs, so that might explain  it. Just a thought.

[boxcarguy07]

Definitely could explain it, especially since vitamin D is a hormone and not actually a vitamin.

[JaX]

Vitamin D exists in three forms that we know about today, D1, D2, D3. In the body, these types of vitamin D are in a balance with each other. That's why artificial supplements with artificial vitamin D ruin the natural balance. Cod liver oil is great but keep in mind you can overdose on vitamin D through supplements even cod liver oil which is a very concentrated source of it - so keep the Cod Liver oil for winter time when there is a lack of sun. The best source of vitamin D is obviously the sun which provides the body with only as much vitamin D as it needs. Vitamin D has also been found to be one of the strongest antioxidants by the way, with lots of cancer-fighting properties.

[Raw Kyle]

Isn't it interesting how lacking modern science's knowledge is regarding things like vitamins? It seems to me that from reading "Nutrition and Physical Degeneration" "they" haven't gotten much farther than the available science in the 1930's.

[coconinoz]

what i've heard is that the body manufactures its own vit d; the sun & some foodstuffs provide the raw materials

[TylerDurden]

But it's only vitamin D3 that gets stimulated by the sun, right? The other 3 or more types of vitamin D, I'm not sure about- are they used by the human body?

[JaX]

Yea that's true, Vitamin D3 is the one that is used by the human body - and it's the one produced by the sun. As far as is known, it's also the only essential one.

Just found out there are actually 2 more "forms" of vitamin D: D4 and D5, although the body doesn't use these in the same way. Plus, it's only Vitamin D3 that really matters, since the other forms of vitamin D are either very different molecules or derivatives.

Check it out:

Cholecalciferol is the naturally occurring form of vitamin D. Whenever I use the term "vitamin D," I am referring to vitamin D3 cholecalciferol. In fact, cholecalciferol is the only vitamin D—all its other forms are different molecules. The current system of naming vitamin D is very confusing, as anything with vitamin D activity is often called "vitamin D." This is like calling anything with corticosteroid activity, "cortisol," or anything with androgen activity, "testosterone." It is not only confusing, it makes no sense.

Furthermore, the body turns vitamin D into two very important hormones, calcidiol and calcitriol. These two hormones are also called vitamin D! This borders on the ridiculous as it would be like calling both testosterone and estrogen, "cholesterol", as both are made from cholesterol. However, cholesterol, estrogen, and testosterone are very different molecules with very different functions. Likewise, cholecalciferol, calcidiol, and calcitriol are different molecules with different functions.

http://www.vitamindcouncil.org/vitaminDPharmacology.shtml

The sun is the best source of vitamin D

Vitamin D is available in some food sources, but about 90 percent of the vitamin is produced within the body as a result of exposure to sunlight.

The dangers of sun exposure have been greatly exaggerated, and the benefits highly underestimated.  Sun exposure is not the major reason people develop skin cancer. I know many of you might be surprised by this, but this is simply not the truth, and buying into this lie will most assuredly deprive you of the vital benefits the sun can provide.

And one of the major benefits is lowering your risk of getting cancer -- the number one cause of death. As this groundbreaking study found, 600,000 cases of cancer could be prevented every year just by increasing your levels of vitamin D, and without question, the best way to obtain your vitamin D is by UVB sunlight falling on unexposed skin in doses that do not cause sunburn.

It has actually been proven that the further away from the Equator, the higher are the cancer rates: youtube.com/watch?v=cdSfuawgDiE

Also it's good to get a little sun in the eyes (who would have thought?): youtube.com/watch?v=jv_5oI_6m4w


Tyler any good cod liver oil you can recommend?

Edit: By the way, why can't I post full youtube links with www. ?

[TylerDurden]

you have to use the full link http: etc. for youtube videos.

Re cod-liver:- blue ice cod liver oil(the fermented raw version) is the best one available. It's searchable online(under green pastures website?)

[rawlion]

Geoff, do you use this CLO: http://www.greenpasture.org/products/fermented-oil/1087

What have you noticed?

[wodgina]

youtube.com/watch?v=cdSfuawgDiE

Also it's good to get a little sun in the eyes (who would have thought?): youtube.com/watch?v=jv_5oI_6m4w

I started to stop wearing sunglasses a year ago, just naturally stopped wearing them without thinking about it. Pretty much the same time I noticed that my new found paleo oily skin could handle the sun better.

I wear clear safety glasses at work now instead of tinted as I just feel happier seeing the blue sky.

[TylerDurden]

Geoff, do you use this CLO: http://www.greenpasture.org/products/fermented-oil/1087

What have you noticed?

Yes blue ice fermented is the one I'm using - it's now very popular in the UK. I was surprised to get a benefit as previous cod-liver-oils I tried pre-raw diet were absolutely useless, but this is the genuine raw product. I'd thought that this effect was due to winter and therefore lower vitamin  D-production, but I eat c.20 oysters(many of which are double-oyster-shells, so more like 30 oysters) a fortnight, so I should already be getting enough vitamin D. Perhaps it's the pufas from the cod-liver-oil that's working on me, I have no idea. The effect is hard to describe, sort of a definite increase in focus/concentration, but not like high-meat, somehow different.

[Michael]

I agree Geoff.  The fermented Blue Ice CLO is wonderful stuff!  I've been using it myself for the last year or so now, I think, and have definitely noticed the same kind of benefits you mentioned.  Have you noticed that Green Pastures have now bowed to the demands of the raw community and started supplying a fully RAW version too?  Of course, the usual fermented version is unheated but contains various antioxidants.  This new version, now available in the UK, contains nothing but pure, raw, fermented CLO.

Where do you get yours from btw?  I've been getting it from a company called Red23 who, although very expensive, have a great range of foods and offer prompt & reliable delivery.  I'm paying £29.99 per bottle which, I guess, is not bad.  It's certainly cheaper than when I used to import it from Green Pastures directly!!  I'm just thankful that it's now available.  I first became interested in Weston Price's studies in '97 (and hence CLO) and such traditionally produced CLO just wasn't available back then.

[rawlion]

Geoff, how much of fermented CLO do you use? 1 ml daily as suggested or more?

[TylerDurden]

I agree Geoff.  The fermented Blue Ice CLO is wonderful stuff!  I've been using it myself for the last year or so now, I think, and have definitely noticed the same kind of benefits you mentioned.  Have you noticed that Green Pastures have now bowed to the demands of the raw community and started supplying a fully RAW version too?  Of course, the usual fermented version is unheated but contains various antioxidants.  This new version, now available in the UK, contains nothing but pure, raw, fermented CLO.

Where do you get yours from btw?  I've been getting it from a company called Red23 who, although very expensive, have a great range of foods and offer prompt & reliable delivery.  I'm paying £29.99 per bottle which, I guess, is not bad.  It's certainly cheaper than when I used to import it from Green Pastures directly!!  I'm just thankful that it's now available.  I first became interested in Weston Price's studies in '97 (and hence CLO) and such traditionally produced CLO just wasn't available back then.

UK prices for products are shockingly expensive, US prices are usually the same in terms of numbers but because of the exchange-rate, end up costing half as much as a similiar UK product. I also buy from red23, by the way, there was no other UK website mentioning it. Fortunately, the raw cod-liver-oil has been a runaway success, so they'll keep on stocking it - they also seem to buy Mercola's endorsed products. That guy may be a cynical commercially-oriented businessman, but I'm, to some extent, more comfortable with him than Aajonus as a leading light of the RAF movement.

[TylerDurden]

Geoff, how much of fermented CLO do you use? 1 ml daily as suggested or more?

I'm not concerned with amounts as I don't view the cod-liver-oil as essential. Some days I go without, sometimes I'll take as much as 5ml a day, but usually it's just over 1ml a day.

Caveat:- The increased benefits may well be due to another factor, entirely:- I've been a bit more careful to resume daily exercise. I'm currently following  a bodyweight training manual by a Ross Enamait(who gives the wrong advice re nutrition, but who has some fascinating stuff to say about how much more useful it is to train without weights). In the past, early on in this diet, I would go to the gym and quickly build up muscle, especially in the calves(faster than pre-raw diet), but I would always feel so tired and achy in my muscles between gym visits and would find it difficult to make time for the gym(it's halfway across town), whereas with this form of bodyweight exercise, the benefits all seem to be positive, and I can do them all at home.

[rawlion]

Well, obviously it can't be essential for you... I would say the same had I enjoyed similar variety of game and seafoods...

However, if genuine grass-fed meats and/or seafoods are not available, I think it may be necessary or even indispensable. Even more so if particular person lives in the colder climate lacking sunlught etc.

[rawlion]

UK prices for products are shockingly expensive, US prices are usually the same in terms of numbers but because of the exchange-rate, end up costing half as much as a similiar UK product. I also buy from red23, by the way, there was no other UK website mentioning it. Fortunately, the raw cod-liver-oil has been a runaway success, so they'll keep on stocking it - they also seem to buy Mercola's endorsed products. That guy may be a cynical commercially-oriented businessman, but I'm, to some extent, more comfortable with him than Aajonus as a leading light of the RAF movement.

I think we can cooperate and save money. Especially as we now have rather big paleo community. I know there are loopholes and we can make use of them. Such tricks can be easily done with two persons interested. Why pay more?