What is the next frontier in societal nutrition?

[riy freeman]

What is the next thing that needs to happen for the betterment of the health of society? If you were a person of great influence, (scientist, politician, whatever), a person who was hired to better the health of the world...

Would you....

Have science prove the benefits of a RAF diet so that mainstream society can will be motivated to adopt it? Have science prove and publish the effects of adulterated foods and sugar so that every single person understands the consequences? Have a great campaign that makes very clear diabetes, heart disease and other chronic diseases can be fixed via diet? Campaign a RAF centered food pyramid? Have celebrities and athletes endorse RAF?

Change the diets fed to sick people in hospitals? Change the treatment of some cancers with diet?

Politically speaking, would you impose structure that heavily favors gressfed over grainfed?

Furthermore,
regarding countries that need aid medically and food wise, would you implement RAFs? A lot of countries are shipped flour sugar and peanut butter rations which you could argue worsens the health of the people thereby exacerbating the situation by lowering their immunities to certain disease further.

RULES OF DEBATE:

1. No mentioning of HOW you go about accomplishing this, just WHAT you would do. I just don't want to hear pessimists argue about what you can or cannot do because people will feel this way about RAF or that.

2. No talking about fight club.

GO!!!

[riy freeman]

In short, what is the NEXT step that needs to be taken to better the health of society.

For example, in civil rights we had a "order" of groups being more empowered politically and legally speaking like slaves--> ethnic groups--> women --> and now the next frontier could be gays and lesbians. I'm just throwing up an example. Don't harp on this example; I'm asking what the next step in nutritional based health should be to benefit society as a whole.

[TylerDurden]

Why on earth bother? There is a certain high degree of Schadenfreude in watching other people again and again make mistakes in their diet and ruining their health long-term. I am eagerly awaiting my subsequent decades in life as others around me will be dying/degenerating much faster than me as they get older, even more than now. More to the point, we are not a cult, we are primarily here to help those who've already tried every other possible dietary combination and failed health-wise, so the raw diet sells itself to such people.

As for those countries that need aid, in most cases, what they really need is not a RVAF diet but mass usage of the birth-control pill, for actually solving their problems.

[riy freeman]

Please disregard the message by TD that is exactly what I was not interested in. This isn't a debate about population control.

[TylerDurden]

Well, I dislike any notions of "converting" people, but I'll play along:-


What I would do:-

1) Ban processed foods like big macs in schools, company canteens etc. Trans-fats have already been banned in places like New York, so there's a chance.

2) The science is already c. 80 percent in our favour. More research can be done, of course.

3)  Ban any food-producing company from growing too large: break up all supermarkets and install in their place large food-markets consisting solely of small-time producers offering grassfed meats etc.

4)  I would love more celebrities to join our diet. Someone like Schwarzenegger or Putin or similiar highly-placed figure in their particular country. However, this is unlikely:- I have heard that celebrities, when seen in public at parties, go out of their way to avoid eating in public as they hate being photographed in that situation as they can be made out to look worse than they really are with sauce on their cheeks etc.

[djr_81]

Please disregard the message by TD that is exactly what I was not interested in. This isn't a debate about population control.

It's hard to discuss the growth of a diet like ours without commenting on the difficulty of sustaining it on a global scale. Insects seem to be one of the only avenues which could achieve this.

[michaelwh]

This is a hard question.

I think that the first step should not be to promote RAF, but just to discourage junk-food and fast-food consumption, and encourage people to prepare their meals at home, even if cooked. Rome wasn't built in a day...

I think that education programs/campaigns/efforts are not very effective. There already exists an education campaign encouraging people to "eat 5-10 fruits and vegetables a day", and limit junk food. People know that junk food is bad for them, but they are literally addicted to it and can't stop eating it.

Some practical solutions:
Stop subsidizing corn and grain, start taxing junk food just like cigarettes, put big warning labels on junk food. A few years ago I went on a trip to England. I saw that all cigarette packages had huge black-and-white warning labels "smoking kills". In Canada, the warning is in barely readable fine print. Such warning labels should be adopted everywhere, both for cigarettes, and for junk food. That would be a small step in the right direction.

Ultimately, the problem is, that in a democratic society, freedom of choice goes both ways. If we want the freedom of choice to buy raw milk, and raw grass-fed meat and wild game, then we must also allow the freedom of choice to buy McDonalds and Coca Cola and other junk.

One radical solution, would be for a health-conscious dictator to outlaw junk food by brute force. Impose insane taxes on, or outlaw the production of, corn syrup, refined sugar, soybean oil, etc. But the problem is, that a dictator cannot rise to power unless he has support. But who will support such a dictator? Health-conscious people are a very small minority. In history, dictators have risen to power by promising people happiness, and solutions to problems. One can promise that healthy food will lead to healthy and happy and successful people, but I don't think that the masses of junk-food-addicts would support such a message.

[laterade]

Corporations take over because governments subsidize them by stealing people's money. "Democracy" does not promote freedom of choice michaelwh, it is simply mob rule. The bigger gang wins and gets to force its opinion down the others throat, and that is only sometimes. Most of the time it is these so called "representatives" who make all of the choices. Look at the raw milk legality, no citizen voted on that anywhere I have heard of, only the "reps".

The only solution is to live the example.
Take excellent care of your body and enlighten all who show interest.
Raw animal food is quite a stretch so I do not recommend using that as an opener.
Simply state the obvious, eat real food not garbage, and pay attention to what is going on inside and outside of you.
Eventually enough idiots will pass and enough people will wake up.