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Global freezing
« on: February 19, 2015, 01:06:27 pm »
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Re: Global freezing
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2015, 02:57:35 pm »
Well, it does seem more logical that the Sun controls the weather, rather than man-made gases. I would love a new mini-Ice-Age. There would be skiing all year round,  so prices would be much cheaper, imo. I could perhaps go ice-skating on the Danube, and so on. Warmth is a sickly thing, leading to sweating and needing to rest all the time. The cold invigorates us, by contrast.
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Re: Global freezing
« Reply #2 on: February 20, 2015, 07:06:16 am »
Geoff, you're such a dunce. This has huge consequences. It's so much bigger than your petty recreational activities.

Great video, thanks for posting it!

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Re: Global freezing
« Reply #3 on: February 20, 2015, 11:34:51 am »
I don't care about man-made warming. The Earth has been much warmer AND much cooler than it is now, many, MANY times. I'd still like to see an end to fossil fuel use. I'm tired of paying terrorists and wealthy, bigoted, ignorant Texans every time I fill up my car....not to mention breathing exhaust. That stuff's not good for your lungs.

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Re: Global freezing
« Reply #4 on: February 20, 2015, 12:03:22 pm »
Very nice presentation, thanks for sharing the link.

I am wary of using "scientific" statistics to predict trends. Both the global warming and global cooling supporters are using the same data to derive opposite predictions. There's nothing wrong with their math. It's just that statistical trends are extrapolated more upward for global warming and more downward for global cooling. At least Casey is a scientist rather than a politician, and his solar-cycle observations make sense! His theory utilizes a trend-toward-normal feature that I find more plausible than the idea that the whole planet will be wiped out in a near-future fiery blast.

I am more intrigued by the binary star idea, that our sun is one of a binary pair, and the other star (called Nemesis) is too cool to have been detected yet, but appears to have a 26,000-year rotation with our sun. Supporters of this Nemesis Theory say this accounts for increased comet activity and mass-extinction cycles.

Even the old Gaia Hypothesis, that Earth is a self-regulating system, assures us that our human folly will be compensated for by Mother Earth's exquisite and complex design.
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Re: Global freezing
« Reply #5 on: February 20, 2015, 04:50:09 pm »
Geoff, you're such a dunce. This has huge consequences. It's so much bigger than your petty recreational activities.

Great video, thanks for posting it!
Well, if it does get colder, I will be less affected than most others for various reasons.
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Re: Global freezing
« Reply #6 on: February 21, 2015, 08:33:50 am »
Interesting video - these two effects will add together, so we'll have cooling over next forty years when more CO2 would be useful, and then it will be back to probable global warming when less CO2 would be better, and so on every 206 years. Now I understand why people have been studying the motion of the sun and other heavenly bodies for so long, to try to keep track of these kind of long term patterns.

At first it seems like the natural system sequestered CO2 as things die, and if they get deposited in a low oxygen environment then it is removed from circulation except for a small chance of leaking out as methane or ending up in a volcano. This would mean some of the burning of forests by 'primitives' and fossil fuels by 'moderners' has been very helpful to restore lost CO2 to the atmosphere and prevent another full on ice age.

But we have probably already made too much and the system looks inherently unstable, with a natural cycle of a stronger sun period warming over time, shrinking ice caps and releasing methane adding positive feedback up to the point eventually where there is no polar ice and then the global ocean currents are expected to stop, removing oxygen from the ocean, meaning less dead things get fully decayed, removing CO2 until cooling feedback and weak sun period create polar ice which starts the whole thing again.

It's like a window wiper blade that each extreme triggers the other direction to start.

The problem with this explanation is that the amount of CO2 released will add to global warming, on top of the 206 year solar period, is unfortunately now taking us more quickly towards the next ice age, due to the acceleration of the warming cycle.

No wonder there are so many climate modification projects going on (HARRP, cloud seeding, chem trails... although these are also for economic reasons such as futures trading and hostilities).

While personally I like the idea of society moving on to simple ways, like self sufficient raw population stable communities, the powers that be need to create a surplus for usury and the tax and corporations that contribute to it.

Given the direction accepted by the masses of high energy life style then an improvement on today would be liquid salt thorium nuclear reactors, which are very safe (all nuclear accidents have been caused by the pressured stream in the reactor, using liquid salt avoids this and has fail safe safety features that do not require electricity) and efficient, and have much shorter waste life, only four hundred years not ten thousand.

This energy could make hydrogen and ammonia for efficient vehicles plus low CO2 electricity. There is thorium all over the planet, and the USA has thousand of containers of it, it seems they chose the existing nuclear system because it could be used to make nuclear weapons, unlike thorium.

Existing nuclear continues to be used because it is very expensive to operate and the system is already licensed, so or is very profitable for the service companies. They don't want a better system because they want make as much money, so it will be done by China.
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Re: Global freezing
« Reply #7 on: February 22, 2015, 04:13:52 pm »
This is very encouraging, it sounds like the global warming story is a scam and life on earth is enjoying having more CO2 which is creating a greening of the globe.
Confessions of a Greenpeace Dropout - Dr Patrick Moore :)
Dr Patrick Moore brings us his thoughts on the subject of climate Change at The Ninth International Conference on Climate Change in Las Vegas, USA, on the 8th July, 2014.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dCrkqLaYjnc
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