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Offline Beyonder

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Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« on: February 06, 2012, 09:29:18 am »
Hey guys, hope you're all doing well.

I wanted to start a discussion about fats!

The most delicious grass-fed fats I've eaten:

Yellow, buttery bison & beef back fat -- melts in your mouth and probably hovers between 60/40 sat/unsat to 40/60 sat/unsat.
Deep yellow bison suet -- a little more dense but still soft and creamy. More saturated than back fat but nowhere near the dry, waxy suet I've had from many grass-fed sources.
Soft, pink beef fat -- very similar to pork fat
Pink bison, beef and lamb marrow -- very soft and creamy and definitely more unsaturated than saturated
Soft, white lamb trimmings, back fat -- somewhere between hard lamb fat and soft pork fat. Probably about 50/50 saturated/unsaturated.
Pork trimmings - Soft, opaque and definitely more unsaturated.
Pork suet - Soft, a little more dense -- I'd say 50/50 sat/unsat again.
Deep yellow bison tongue fat

On the other end of the spectrum -- harder fats. I am totally cool eating them and I appreciate any fats I can get my hands on but there seems to be a clear difference between these and the ones I listed above.
Dry, waxy suet/Crumbly, dry marrow/dry trimmings -- bison, beef and lamb. Clearly very saturated and with less moisture. I seem to digest this fine but I feel slower than on the fats I've listed above. I've more often gotten my hands on this variety of fat -- even from wonderful grass-fed sources. I must re-iterate that I am totally fine with these fats, but they aren't quite as appealing as the softer fats.

Now, I've noticed that Pork never ever gets to the same dry level as ruminants. And since I've found the ratios in Pork or super-high quality grass-fed ruminants to agree with me more, well...why are ruminants preferred over pork? I'm talking about an ideal situation where all animals are treated well and fed their natural diet.

When ruminants aren't in an absolutely pristine environment, their fat becomes more dry and harder to digest (in my eyes). When Pork is fed garbage, their fat still retains an agreeable consistency.

Any theories as to why this is? Is it possible that healthy pigs are an equal if not more ideal food source than ruminants?

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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #1 on: February 06, 2012, 09:40:33 am »
I've had raw, 100% grassfed suet  from various sources and I found, personally, that they were all poorly digested with most of the nutrients being expelled via stools at the other end. Raw marrow from grassfed/wild sources was quite different in effect, with me being able to digest all of it.
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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #2 on: February 06, 2012, 06:15:15 pm »
depends on the strength of your digestion... some people digest just everything...

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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #3 on: February 07, 2012, 10:44:45 am »
I've had raw, 100% grassfed suet  from various sources and I found, personally, that they were all poorly digested with most of the nutrients being expelled via stools at the other end. Raw marrow from grassfed/wild sources was quite different in effect, with me being able to digest all of it.

Same thing happened to me. I also started to develop fatigue likely from Candida overgrowth from the undigested fat. I found lots of white specks in my stool as I got more and more fatigued and the fatigue stopped when I cut out the suet.

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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #4 on: February 08, 2012, 02:33:18 am »
I love this post. I have noticed differences in marrow too. All of my animal foods come from the same farm. Even from the same animal I've noticed that most bones have drier crumblier marrow, but others have a margarine like consistency. I feel like all of it digests about the same.
     I don't like older fat or prefrozen, but I make do sometimes. I eat so much less when I don't like it that I think that may ease my digestion.
       I don't get enough fat to satisfy my daily needs from eggs, fish, liver, or avocados. I like these fats but I need the substance of richer fats.
      I think I am nourished by density. I require heavy dense food. I feel like my energy is dense and I resonate best with plenty of dense foods ie fat/meat. I have no science to back me up, and nobody ever knows what I'm trying to say. If anybody has read about or experienced it please let me know.
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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #5 on: February 26, 2012, 10:30:49 pm »
I seem to be having digestive pains from  the white fats on muscle meats like chuck roast and brisket. Is this normal?

Do you think I should switch over only to bone marrow as a source of fat to heal my digestive system?

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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #6 on: February 27, 2012, 02:10:24 am »
You might like to try taking the harder (and softer) marrow types and first mashing it with a fork or your fingers in a bowl.  Then place the bowl in a large pot of water around 100-110 degrees F and cover with lid.  Twenty minutes later it will have a more liquid consistency and be much more tasty.   I like to add or dip thinly sliced meat at that point which is room tempt. 

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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #7 on: February 27, 2012, 03:49:40 am »
I love fresh bone marrow. Try talking to a local butcher and reserve a bone marrow fresh. Tastes a lot richer and creamer. I had pretty good luck with raw butter also.
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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #8 on: February 27, 2012, 11:24:23 am »
      If you have a good source of marrow and want it go for it but, you might like beef fat later and digest it well. I just started to be able to enjoy egg yolk and coconut oil in large quantities and I'm feeling good. Before it hurt and made me nauseous after. I've been eating avocados 2-3/day. I haven't had any bone marrow or fresh beef fat in a week :(. I mix my frozen suet together with egg and coconut, salt, lemon, or ACV and herbs or spices and make chicken salad. I've been using it as a dip for celery, cukes, and wrapping lettuce around it. really good. Don't food process too long. I let it get a bit to creamy and didn't like the consistency, as much tonight.
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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #9 on: February 27, 2012, 09:55:00 pm »
      If you have a good source of marrow and want it go for it but, you might like beef fat later and digest it well. I just started to be able to enjoy egg yolk and coconut oil in large quantities and I'm feeling good. Before it hurt and made me nauseous after. I've been eating avocados 2-3/day. I haven't had any bone marrow or fresh beef fat in a week :(. I mix my frozen suet together with egg and coconut, salt, lemon, or ACV and herbs or spices and make chicken salad. I've been using it as a dip for celery, cukes, and wrapping lettuce around it. really good. Don't food process too long. I let it get a bit to creamy and didn't like the consistency, as much tonight.

 .... and we need a Video of Adora while she is making this "really good" Dip for celery, lettuce ... thanks.

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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #10 on: February 28, 2012, 04:51:08 am »
yes Adora I would love to see a video about it 8)

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Re: Hard Fats vs. Soft Fats
« Reply #11 on: February 28, 2012, 04:56:36 am »
OK, I will try tonight or Wed at the latest. I was going to cook the chicken for my daughter, becuase I have all of this wonderful fresh organ meat now. I'll make a little and have it on the side though.
I'm so glad you asked,
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