Skin tumors from eating raw meat?!

[JaX]

Reading through the articles on beyondveg.com I came across this one by a guy who had followed the instincto diet 100% for a long time . Take a look:

However, all is not well at the Chateau. As with many other alternative dietary philosophies, the claims of super-health and virtual immunity to disease have proven to be excessively idealistic in the real world. Mr. Burger's wife, Nicole, died of cancer a few years ago in 1994; and Guy-Claude himself reportedly has had a few bouts with rapidly growing skin tumors (although apparently not cancerous, though whom the diagnoses were made by is not clear). One early occurrence was removed with minor surgery; later occurrences have receded and disappeared when the amounts of raw meat in his diet were reduced to small amounts. A few other instinctos are also said to have experienced similar fast-growing tumors after extended periods of eating large amounts (1-2 lbs = 0.5-1 kg) of meat per day, which reputedly disappear as rapidly as they first appear, once the levels of meat are significantly reduced.

(Note: As some who are followers of instincto may be skeptical about the existence or occurrence of the above events, the source of this information is worth mentioning. A discussion of the Burgers' problems, and attribution of the cancers to very large amounts of meat, was given in a letter sent out by the Chateau de Montrame itself, explaining their version of the events. One of the recipients of the letter posted a summary of the letter's contents on 6/10/1998 on the Internet's Live-Food email listgroup [formerly: live-food@mail.odomnet.com, now at: live-food@yahoogroups.com], a forum devoted to the high-RAF [raw animal food] diet proposed by Aajonus Vonderplanitz.)

- taken from http://beyondveg.com/nieft-k/instincto-guide/instincto-guide1c.shtml

BTW, https://Beyondveg.com is an interesting site if you haven't already seen it. A lot of honest information about many diets from people who have tried them. Although yes there is a biased article on the website comparing raw animal food with cooked animal food.. It basically states that cooked animal food is just as good

What do you think?

[avalon]

After what seems like an eternity of studying different diets and opposing views on nutrition I've come to the conclusion that we're all basically... excuse me Bartender! 

Best wishes,
Avalon 

[goodsamaritan]

Raw paleo is the best... implementation, sourcing, timing, proportions are other factors as far as this diet is concerned.

Ah tumors.
The body makes tumors to encapsulate toxic material.  And before tumors come along a lot of inflammation has been going on prior.  This is well established in natural hygiene teachings.
Toxicity may come from diet, your personal care products (soap, shampoo, perfume, etc), the air, your clothes, chemical exposures, your stresses... many things.
Always check and re-check what you are doing... adjust as you go along.

[TylerDurden]

I have been through the articles on beyondveg.com and found this one article by a guy following the instincto diet. Take a look:
- taken from http://beyondveg.com/nieft-k/instincto-guide/instincto-guide1c.shtml

BTW, https://Beyondveg.com is an interesting site if you haven't already seen it. A lot of honest information about many diets from people who have tried them.

I have been through the articles on beyondveg.com and found this one article by a guy following the instincto diet. Take a look:
- taken from http://beyondveg.com/nieft-k/instincto-guide/instincto-guide1c.shtml

Beyondveg.com is a somewhat dishonest, very biased site, and it's unsurprising that they would relate unverified rumours like the above. The only thing that is true is that Burgers' wife caught cancer. However, I should add that even wild animals can get cancer((though at far lower rates than domesticated animals/humans), so diet clearly isn't the only solution re cancer(pollution and state of mind being cited among other factors  behind cancer by various sources). It's been pointed out that Burger's wife had various personal issues which led to the cancer:-

http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/instinctoanopsology/instincto-books/


The trouble with www.beyondveg.com is that almost all the anti-raw rhetoric is aimed at Raw Vegan and Fruitarian Diets, because they assume that all rawists are 100% raw-plant-eaters, so almost all their anti-raw arguments do not apply to raw-animal-food diets in any way - and, ironically, when you check the text, much of the data they provide against Raw Vegan diets can be used to justify eating a Raw-Animal-Food diet(such as where they admit that raw meat is easier to digest than cooked-meat, but then state that that doesn't matter as grains are better in cooked-form - yet they are supposed to be a pro-cooked-Palaeolithic Diet website!). Here's an essay debunking Beyondveg.com's anti-raw thesis in full:-

http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/byvDebunked.html

[JaX]

Beyondveg.com is a somewhat dishonest, very biased site, and it's unsurprising that they would relate unverified rumours like the above. The only thing that is true is that Burgers' wife caught cancer. However, I should add that even wild animals can get cancer((though at far lower rates than domesticated animals/humans), so diet clearly isn't the only solution re cancer(pollution and state of mind being cited among other factors  behind cancer by various sources). It's been pointed out that Burger's wife had various personal issues which led to the cancer:-

http://www.rawpaleoforum.com/instinctoanopsology/instincto-books/


The trouble with www.beyondveg.com is that almost all the anti-raw rhetoric is aimed at Raw Vegan and Fruitarian Diets, because they assume that all rawists are 100% raw-plant-eaters, so almost all their anti-raw arguments do not apply to raw-animal-food diets in any way - and, ironically, when you check the text, much of the data they provide aginst Raw Vegan diets can be used to justify eating a Raw-Animal-Food diet(such as where they admit that raw meat is easier to digest than cooked-meat, but then state that that doesn't matter as grains are better in cooked-form - yet they are suposed to be a pro-cooked-Palaeolithic Diet website!). Here's an essay debunking Beyondveg.com's anti-raw thesis in full:-

http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/byvDebunked.html

I agree with you that some of the writers on beyondveg.com are more biased than others but please note that the guy who wrote the article about cooked food vs. raw food is a different person than the one who wrote about his experiences with the instincto diet. I don't think the article based on his experience with instinctive eating is very biased.

It is true that instinctive diets tend to have very high amounts of fruit but how come the individuals on the instinctive diet eating a lot of raw meat (and hence less fruit) experienced these skin tumors that is what I don't understand.

I take it none of you long-time raw meat eaters haven't experienced anything similar?

I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing with my diet as I'm slowly transitioning into more raw meat.

[TylerDurden]

No, plenty of people have actually cured themselves of cancer on Primal diets/RPD diets, judging from reports on other RPD forums. As for the whole Instincto business, Instincto has always been opposed to most raw animal food(other than perhaps a few raw eggs, and a very few Instinctos even consume raw dairy), so it's unsurprising that they'd invent all sorts of unsubstantiated rumours about raw meats. Those eating diets high in raw meat simply do not experience such problems of the kind that some Instincto seem to claim.

[reyyzl]

I agree with you that some of the writers on beyondveg.com are more biased than others but please note that the guy who wrote the article about cooked food vs. raw food is a different person than the one who wrote about his experiences with the instincto diet. I don't think the article based on his experience with instinctive eating is very biased.

It is true that instinctive diets tend to have very high amounts of fruit but how come the individuals on the instinctive diet eating a lot of raw meat (and hence less fruit) experienced these skin tumors that is what I don't understand.

I take it none of you long-time raw meat eaters haven't experienced anything similar?

I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing with my diet as I'm slowly transitioning into more raw meat.

    About seven months into me doing the primal diet 100%, I was going through so much unavoidable outside stress (it wasn't the diet's fault, everyone around was even telling me I was amazing doing so much strength endurance etc and with no sleep at that etc), but I wound up eating something off the diet, pickled herring with onions.  Then I'm not sure, I didn't write it down, but I think I ate something else, maybe a pancake.  Anyway, I got two skin lumps right away, and a crazy swelling on a lymph node.  I only showed the two lumps to my chiropractor, plus another lump I have from six years earlier.  He told me what each one was (each had a different term or name from the others).  None were malignant according to him.  The node went down quickly to how it was before I ate those things (that node popped up about eight years earlier to that stress and herring date too).  The three lumps haven't given me any problems.  They're small, and look like nothing really, but when I touch them, they feel strange, like..fiberous?  I haven't gotten any additional to those.  Otherwise, I've done a lot of healing, in those area of my body too.

[reyyzl]

I agree with you that some of the writers on beyondveg.com are more biased than others but please note that the guy who wrote the article about cooked food vs. raw food is a different person than the one who wrote about his experiences with the instincto diet. I don't think the article based on his experience with instinctive eating is very biased.

It is true that instinctive diets tend to have very high amounts of fruit but how come the individuals on the instinctive diet eating a lot of raw meat (and hence less fruit) experienced these skin tumors that is what I don't understand.

I take it none of you long-time raw meat eaters haven't experienced anything similar?

I just want to make sure I'm doing the right thing with my diet as I'm slowly transitioning into more raw meat.

    About seven months into me doing the primal diet 100%, I was going through so much unavoidable outside stress (it wasn't the diet's fault, everyone around was even telling me I was amazing doing so much strength endurance etc and with no sleep at that etc), but I wound up eating something off the diet, pickled herring with onions.  Then I'm not sure, I didn't write it down, but I think I ate something else, maybe a pancake.  Anyway, I got two skin lumps right away, and a crazy swelling on a lymph node.  I only showed the two lumps to my chiropractor, plus another lump I have from six years earlier.  He told me what each one was (each had a different term or name from the others).  None were malignant according to him.  The node went down quickly to how it was before I ate those things (that node popped up about eight years earlier to that stress and herring date too).  The three lumps haven't given me any problems.  They're small, and look like nothing really, but when I touch them, they feel strange, like..fiberous?  I haven't gotten any additional to those.  Otherwise, I've done a lot of healing, in those area of my body too.

    When the first lump popped up during that stress herring time, I was eating dairy.  When the other lumps pupped up, I was not (barely even eggs mostly only beef).  I returned to eating dairy most days after that stress was finished.