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Re: Freelea is promoting cooked food!
« Reply #25 on: June 22, 2013, 05:47:54 am »
Phil you have to have some decent oyster sources near by, you aren't far from the coast. You should be able to find them for about a dollar a piece, we even have them in minnesota and though they are nothing like the fresh stuff, they are passably clean in flavor and texture.
Are they frozen? I tried frozen clams and they sucked big time. I could only stomach them if I cooked them or drowned them in something. I think Gordon Ramsey even said something like freezing shellfish is a crime. LOL  It's irrelevant anyway, as I don't think there's enough shellfish in all the local markets combined to meet my high B6 needs and I couldn't eat them all if there were.

I also upped my zinc intake after I noticed it seemed to help my night vision, even though I already had some bitter taste on the zinc tally test. That suggests I should shoot for a more bitter result on the test than I realized. I searched it on Youtube and one dude suggested that a good zinc level will produce a very bitter taste, not just faintly bitter.

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Phil, are you still taking FCLO or FSLO? Still noticing benefits?
Yeah, minor dental benefits, and I like the taste of the unflavored (I like something with a good kick  :P ) and mint versions, though I now have other things that help too, so I may save money and not keep buying it. I suppose I could still get some of that nice stinkfish flavor by fermenting some fresh wild fish (it doesn't seem to work as well with frozen or domestic fish).

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What kind of benefits do you get from the zin and b6 supp?
Too many to list. If you want to get some idea of it, you can Google pyroluria. Not all of it applies to me, but enough to get a sense. The poor night vision and acne from carbs and low tolerance for alcohol are a few symptoms that improved for me. If I have pyroluria (or whatever it is), that may help explain why most raw fruits and honey give me zits and toe and foot muscle cramps, in stark contrast to bananas having the opposite effect of curing muscle cramps for most people.

Interestingly, supplements also appear to ameliorate negative symptoms from cooked foods for me. It seems like a healthy store of minerals and antioxidants can help one tolerate cooked foods.

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The thing that is reinforced everytime I come to this forum is how highly individual each person's biologically appropriate diet is. I wish people could get this message in bulk.
Definitely, and my needs for B6 and zinc seem to be way more than most folks' here. I checked the B6 link GS provided and the top sources contain around 1 mg B6 for serving, whereas early indications are that I need around 150 - 200 or more mg per day currently. I doubt anyone here could eat that amount of oysters, fish or liver. Some say that my need for these supplements suggests "pyroluria" and that it is an inherited disorder for which there is no cure and one must take supplements for the rest of one's life. I hope that isn't the case and my need for zinc has decreased some, so that's at least a somewhat hopeful sign.

Pyroluria reportedly is common in the children and grandchildren of alcoholics, which matches my family history of multiple alcoholics on one side of my  family, though conventional "experts" claim that it's quackery. Despite the multiple generations, I'm hoping that if pyroluria is indeed a real issue for me that I can reverse much of the damage. If not, then I guess I'll learn to live with taking supplements.

Hmmm, this is interesting--I'm noticing that my teeth are cleaner/smoother since adding B6 (the bioavailable P5P version recommended by the vitamin store dude) to my regimen.

To try to get myself back on topic, I'll note that Freelea did another video and acknowledged that she's been eating some cooked vegan foods during her nearly 7 years of supposedly "raw" veganism. She claimed that she never said that raw is the only way, just the best way and that she only eats cooked foods because she can't get enough raw vegan foods in the winter. That doesn't fit my memory of her past propaganda, but I never paid enough attention to her to be sure that I'm not just forgetting. Hasn't she in the past blamed some peoples' raw vegan failures on their not being strict enough, or am I dreaming? I wouldn't pay any attention at all to her except that Youtube keeps suggesting her and DR's videos because I watched and gave thumbs up to other far more reasonable raw food videos (including raw animal food videos, but Youtube doesn't distinguish between raw vegan vs. raw animal food, unfortunately), and I was surprised to see her advocating cooked foods.
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Re: Freelea is promoting cooked food!
« Reply #26 on: June 22, 2013, 10:06:16 am »


It's encouraging to see that 30bad's traffic has been steadily declining for the past year at least...

It's hard not to smile at that.

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Re: Freelea is promoting cooked food!
« Reply #27 on: June 23, 2013, 11:23:26 pm »
Phil,

Nope, fresh wild and farmed oysters. Wouldn't touch frozen unless I was making a cooked dish like oysters Rockefeller.

Very interesting re your experience with supplements.
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Re: Freelea is promoting cooked food!
« Reply #28 on: June 26, 2013, 07:02:55 am »
I found oysters at a local seafood shop/restaurant, though it requires a special trip, as I don't normally shop anywhere near it. The price/.lb seemed cheap until I realized that it includes the weight of the shells.  :'(  Still, it would probably come out to a fairly reasonable cost on a per mg zinc basis if I walked to the place. It would be a good weekend hike at 2 hrs round-trip.

Oysters appear to be the only food that comes close to providing the level of zinc of supplements. Liver contains significant zinc, but not close to supplement level, and it contains even more copper, which is a problem for me. While red muscle meat contains less zinc than liver, it has a much better zinc/copper ratio, though it also doesn't come close to pure zinc supplements.

B6 is even harder to get from foods. One cup of pistachios, one of the top Paleo food sources, contains less than 1/500 the amount of what I'm currently taking in supplements. It looks like I'm going to have to hope for a systemic improvement, such as developing better gut biota, so as to reduce my nutrient needs, if I'm ever going to be able to get off supplements.
« Last Edit: June 26, 2013, 07:19:47 am by PaleoPhil »
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
Beware of problems from chronic Very Low Carb

 

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