TV show (42mins) episode on Raw Animal Foods! (Bizarre Foods by Andrew Zimmern)

[ys]

If you live in the US and you're not aware that these these happen all around you on a very frequent basis, I suggest you take off your pink eyeglasses and look at what's actually happening in reality, and not in your tiny 2x2 world whereby you think all is sunshine and roses until something bad happens to you personally.

OK, how many towns you know that restrict what you can plant and does not allow to collect rain water?
And I would like names of those places too.

I've never heard of such nonsense anywhere in the Midwest and that's not tiny 2x2 world. Look at the map.
I am very much aware of reality and always call out liars.

[sabertooth]

I will agree that the alarmist who claim that America is going to hell in a hand basket are exaggerating the situation...but still there is some validity in the idea that there are subtle forms of tyranny running rampant in the land of the free.

Virtually every town in America has restrictions on what you can plant, if you don't believe me try growing Hemp or Tobacco and selling it at the local farmers market...and you will be sure to be taken away by fully armed men in black uniforms...

Try to organize a community effort to have Monsanto pesticides and herbicides banned on a local level and see how that goes....Vermont attempted to pass a GMO labeling bill only to be circumvented by the Dark Act.

There are also restrictions on the use of well water, and many places have government inspectors falsely condemn wells that are perfectly fine, just because they have some trace level of ecoli....so the locals are forced to pay for municipal water that is often laced with fluoride, chlorine and countless other more harmful chemicals!

These afronts to health and liberty are very subtle and hidden beneath the red tape of local government policy, which in many places in America are enforcing Agenda 21 mandates, under false pretenses.

[dariorpl]

I will agree that the alarmist who claim that America is going to hell in a hand basket are exaggerate the situation...

It depends on your definitions and your time horizons. In the short term (5-15 years), the US will suffer the worst economic and financial crisis of all of human history, and it will likely last at least a decade, possibly two or even more, depending on how the State responds to it, but that won't be the end, and most of these policies we're discussing here will have little to do with that, except that they will compound the pain. However, there is a possibility that in the midst of chaos, many of these ridiculous practices will be reversed or go unenforced, if only for lack of resources. The crisis will however subside eventually and people in the US will adapt to a new, lesser standard of living, and things will be ok, most people will survive.

But in the longer scheme of things, the tendency towards tyrannical socialism and eventually communism will continue, and perhaps it will only gain more strenght and push with the crisis. So unless the libertarians grow large in numbers and influence, it could be entirely possible for the US to become the new USSR in 50 or 100 years, and you could have tens of millions of people starving to death in the streets or in prisons where they are held for political reasons, just like the gulags in the USSR. Combine this with the massive host of diseases that will be affecting most of the world. It could be so bad, there may be plenty of independent religious leaders making biblical references and comparisons. Meanwhile, the pharmaceutical industry and the politicians will have to find someone to blame. There's a good chance that it will be people who eat raw foods and drink natural water directly from a well or spring or rain.

The most we can hope for is that there isn't a nuclear war. But the way things are going, it seems like the next logical step will be for the State to manufacture false flag nuclear attacks, or at the least massive chemical weapons attacks, in order to give the people a new invigoration for relentless and neverending war.

There are also restrictions on the use of well water, and many places have government inspectors falsely condemn wells that are perfectly fine, just because they have some trace level of ecoli....so the locals are forced to pay for municipal water that is often laced with fluoride, chlorine and countless other more harmful chemicals!

Also if you drill a well, you are required to inform the authorities with full GPS location of your well. They want to have a digital record with all the wells whereever they are. How dare you provide for yourself and avoid the poisons of tap water. And of course if they wanted to poison your water supply as well, now they know where to go for that.

[dariorpl]

OK, how many towns you know that restrict what you can plant and does not allow to collect rain water?
And I would like names of those places too.

I've never heard of such nonsense anywhere in the Midwest and that's not tiny 2x2 world. Look at the map.
I am very much aware of reality and always call out liars.

If you think with that attitude you're gonna get me to do your research for you and serve it to you on a silver platter, think again.

[TylerDurden]

I've loved Ron Paul's online essays for years  always  predicting the future global economic collapse etc.He seems to be right in the minor details but, sadly,  wrong re the  total catastrophe prediction.

[dariorpl]

I've loved Ron Paul's online essays for years  always  predicting the future global economic collapse etc.He seems to be right in the minor details but, sadly,  wrong re the  total catastrophe prediction.

He's not wrong, he's warning people in advance so that they have plenty of time to prepare. Wait and see. Everything will happen mostly in the way he describes, and for the reasons he mentions.

Ron Paul is not an expert on these matters, however. But he's got most of it right because he's basing his thoughts on the matter both on sound theory that he himself comprehends fully, and on the advice of the relatively few experts who know what they're talking about.

[sabertooth]

Nobody knows jack shit about these issues.... at least nobody in any position of an authority who has the power to do anything..There of course is the illusion of power and the illusion of free will...but if you look deeply into how these ideals and best laid plans play out it hardly seems like there is a plan for the planet at all...just one continual morpho-genesis....

Though nobody knows for certain, it would seem beneficial having people who function as collective humanities immune system, give out warnings and raising awareness..in doing so we can act collectively to forestall any such ultimate collapse, and work towards eeking out justice by and by...This is an age old game of holding out for as long as possible even in the face of Doom....and somehow things will or will not work out in the end...either way "the die has been cast"

In the process of historical progress there are continually shifting balances, alliances, and compromises....generation and degeneration...Apocalypse and Phoenix..it continues to this day, so its hard for me to believe in any truly dooms day scenario...sure it will be in a state of continual flux, like the fall of classical civilization to the dark ages, then back to the age of Reason. Who knows it may take another great fall in order for the stars to align themselves for the dawning of the Aquarian age...2012 was not the end of the world, it was merely an arbitrary date that some ancients set for the transition between ages.

The Liberators of Rome thought that by killing Caesar they could restore the Republic, when in reality they were just idealist and dreamers who failed to see that the Ideal of the republic was never a reality, and power would always be under siege by a strong man who controlled the murderous legions. The end result was that after a bloody civil war...nothing significant happened and Octavian, who was the original hand picked heir, inherited the throne after hunting down the Republican Coup...This story plays out again and again and is depicted in our modern day, in real life and in fictions...in the movie the twelve monkeys, the attempts of science to save the world, actually bring on its destruction. 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q54VyCpXDH8
Its all part of a Hegelian Dialectical drama which is playing out before the collective human super consciousness phenomenon.

[ys]

Virtually every town in America has restrictions on what you can plant, if you don't believe me try growing Hemp or Tobacco

Cannabis and tobacco are federally regulated.  The emphasis was on plants in general and these two definitely do not fall into general category.

There are probably some gated communities that are more strict about plants but those are few and far in between.

I do not know much about wells but I never heard anyone not being able to collect rain water using rain barrels.  Again, gated community might be against such thing.

Try to organize a community effort to have Monsanto pesticides and herbicides banned

That's not what we need.  All we need is full disclosure so we can choose for ourselves what to buy and what to avoid.  If someone is OK with pesticide food let them have it.  It is no different that letting people smoke.

[ys]

If you think with that attitude you're gonna get me to do your research for you and serve it to you on a silver platter, think again.

Just to show how wrong you are pick a town in random and see if they have such restrictions.  Then pick another one and so on.  I hope that will open your eyes.

[ys]

The US is likely the only country where upon arrival from another country or even while travelling in local flights, you will be irradiated heavily and/or have your genitals groped, probably by a homosexual.

This is also not true.  How many times have you traveled to the US?
No one get searched when arriving to the US, except maybe if you are a foreigner raising serious alarms and only after extensive immigration interview. And these things are rare exceptions.

You get searched when you board the airplane and that is a standard practice all over the world.

[TylerDurden]

Er, sorry but the rate and severity of being searched varies across the globe. In the UK, it is often quite severe with lots of genital groping, and idiotic "reverse racial profiling" practices,  in Austria one hardly even notices a thing, with searching people being rather rare. And the  US  TSA scandals mentioned in the media in recent years have been appalling, with huge outcries from the public.

[sabertooth]

wells but I never heard anyone not being able to collect rain water using rain barrels.  Again, gated community might be against such thing.

That's not what we need.  All we need is full disclosure so we can choose for ourselves what to buy and what to avoid.  If someone is OK with pesticide food let them have it.  It is no different that letting people smoke.

I disagree, its not enough to simply get the information to the public, we are already fallen upon idiotic times where most people cannot understand the true implications of these abhorrent practices, and thier ignorance effects everyone else. Just think about the implications in the context of socialized medicine and the fact that it cost ungodly amounts of money to pay for peoples poor life choices.

Local control is desperately needed if the people are going to stop trans national corporations from polluting our world. Pesticides, herbicides and fertilizers know no boundaries and leach into the total environment, it becomes part of the water we drink, air we breath, and the food we eat. Certain areas of Eastern Kentucky where mining operations have contaminated the water tables, there are vast increases in certain types of cancers in both humans and animals! These trouble areas are not being identified by the powers that be, so most people dont have a clue on where best to live to avoid the environmental degradation, and many who are aware do not have the resources to escape( like the people of Flint)

If at local state and city levels the worst practices could be banned and there be put in place struct buffer zones between human habitats and industrial pollution areas, then we could begin to build strong holds of ecological integrity by which to fortify communities of like minded people, against the more idiotic practices of the industrialism.

[ys]

First, I would hate if someone would tell me what I can eat and what I cannot eat.

Second, people naturally do not like control and often rebel against it.

Third, smoking is equally polluting.  Polluting resources it takes to grow it and then tons and tons of it all goes up in smoke.  Try banning smoking and see how much backlash you are going to get.

Industrial pollution is another subject.  I agree big polluting industries must be tightly controlled.

many who are aware do not have the resources to escape( like the people of Flint)

It is very easy.  Pack your bags and drive away.  It is hell of a lot easier than millions of people that come to this country every year with only what they can carry in their hands and not speaking a word of English.

Go to any large metropolitan area (except maybe California where prices are out of control), rent small and cheap apartment, work for a minimum wage during the day, and study at night. It is not easy but very doable.  I know many people who did just that and became very successful.

I see plenty of those who have the privilege of being born in the USA and totally taking it for granted.  They are clueless how lucky they are to be born here and not in some 3rd world dump or worse yet somewhere in Africa.

[ys]

In the UK, it is often quite severe with lots of genital groping, and idiotic "reverse racial profiling" practices

Again, you are talking about being searched when you are about to board the airplane.  dariorpl was saying specifically being searched upon arrival to the USA and it is absolutely not true.

[sabertooth]

First, I would hate if someone would tell me what I can eat and what I cannot eat.

Second, people naturally do not like control and often rebel against it.

Third, smoking is equally polluting.  Polluting resources it takes to grow it and then tons and tons of it all goes up in smoke.  Try banning smoking and see how much backlash you are going to get.

Industrial pollution is another subject.  I agree big polluting industries must be tightly controlled.

It is very easy.  Pack your bags and drive away.  It is hell of a lot easier than millions of people that come to this country every year with only what they can carry in their hands and not speaking a word of English.

Go to any large metropolitan area (except maybe California where prices are out of control), rent small and cheap apartment, work for a minimum wage during the day, and study at night. It is not easy but very doable.  I know many people who did just that and became very successful.

I see plenty of those who have the privilege of being born in the USA and totally taking it for granted.  They are clueless how lucky they are to be born here and not in some 3rd world dump or worse yet somewhere in Africa.

Through the FDA people are already being told what they can and cant eat, people do not have a choice in what is deemed approved safe for human consumption by these agencies. Chemical pesticides, herbicides, fluoride, and unsafe levels of other pollutants are already in the food supply, and are not being properly regulated...instead it would appear that the agencies are working against the best interest of the health and freedom of the people.

People need to rebel against this current system of corporate corruption of our food supply.

I agree that with true grit, that certain individuals like ourselves can take initiatives to escape the trap...but for the vast majority who have not the will or wherewithal there is little chance...especially for the children of our working poor who have no choice in what they are fed and bare the brunt of the processed food epidemic.

Do people who chose to eat processed foods over healthier options actually have a choice, considering how so many are raised on sugar cereal, soda pop, and TV dinners...when you consider how these poor quality foods have been so heavily subsidized by the government that for reasons of cost and convenience, people have moved away from healthier and more expensive options.....But if the true cost of these foods were to be paid upfront...the cost of treating diabetics factored into the price of each soda pop, the cost of cancer factored into every herbicide laced grain, the cost of dementia factored into low fat processed fad foods...then people may indeed be better motivated to chose healthier options....but as long as the government continually subsidizes shitty life choices and unbalanced ecological practices through corrupt regulatory machinations, the kind of freedom YS is alluding to is illusory.

Smoking is not such a cut and dry issue either....before industrialization people smoked pipe tobacco, cigars and chewed...and there wasn't nearly the rates of cancer of today. I have ancestors who smoked and chewed tobacco up into their 90s without any major issues. The tobacco of today under the current regulations is fertilized with radioactive minerals, and heavily treated with chemicals. Yet because of the police state system, independent organic based operations are regulated and taxed out of business while the conglomerates have cornered the organic tobacco market and charge exorbitant rates for a plant that should be dirt cheap.

[ys]

but for the vast majority who have not the will or wherewithal there is little chance...especially for the children of our working poor who have no choice in what they are fed and bare the brunt of the processed food epidemic.

I just don't see it that way.
It is universally accepted fact everywhere in this country that sugary pop is not healthy, fast food is not healthy, yet, everyone is drinking it and eating it.  People choose to eat unhealthy while fully knowing about it.  I just don't understand why you care so much about them if people themselves don't give a shit.

[TylerDurden]

The real problem with humanity is selfishness. Short-term selfishness, that is. Selfishness with very long-term goals is fine and necessary for survival, though.

[sabertooth]

"Power and the money, money and the power
Minute after minute, hour after hour
Everybody's running, but half of them ain't lookin'
It's going on in the kitchen, but I don't know what's cookin'
They say I gotta learn, but nobody's here to teach me
If they can't understand it, how can they reach me?"   Collio

I just don't see it that way.
It is universally accepted fact everywhere in this country that sugary pop is not healthy, fast food is not healthy, yet, everyone is drinking it and eating it.  People choose to eat unhealthy while fully knowing about it.  I just don't understand why you care so much about them if people themselves don't give a shit.

For me its more about evoking compassion and understanding, than condemnation for those who because of circumstances beyond their control have been thrown into this world, like a dog without a bone. Many children are born and given corn-sugar laced formula as their first food and grow up addicted to all sorts of unhealthiness, before ever developing a mind of their own to decree whats good or bad. The young are conditioned by adults who know not what they do, and so much of humanity has fallen into this vicious cycle of perpetual ignorance.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yj4Yfdg4Nfw

The real problem with humanity is selfishness. Short-term selfishness, that is. Selfishness with very long-term goals is fine and necessary for survival, though.

Selfishness is built into our DNA..... the primordial organism knew only one way of life and that was to consume and reproduce, and to everything else be damned...Its a reflection of the star spirit from which life was birthed....the sun consumes everything until nothing but ash is left....It is from the ash of dead sols the spirit of life has sprung....This process of blind consumption would be better understood as something integral for the creation and regeneration of the life cycle.

Long before Mankind there have been examples of great overgrowth of microbes killing off entire ecosystems in the primeval past.....only when kept in check and balance by other co-evolving entities did a stable balance come into being...It would seem that we are entering into a realm where those checks and balances to our primordial drives have been mitigated by our mastery of technology, leaving the monsters from our subconscious free to run amok and we will have to suffer the consequences of upsetting the delicate balance....

Yet there is a feeling that by the all consuming living spirit of providence, a new balance can be attained....sure there are glitches in the system that need to be worked out, but by Jove "where there is a will to survive, nature will find a way to thrive" Perhaps the function of the collective imaginations of perennial optimist is to be found in how the incessant striving for ever more complex and beautiful visions, encourages the lost children of earth onward toward the neo-eden and beyond....

[ys]

The young are conditioned by adults who know not what they do, and so much of humanity has fallen into this vicious cycle of perpetual ignorance.

How about your children?  What do they eat?  I know they are not living with you and it may be difficult for you to control their diet but I'm curious what will be their mindset regarding foods when they grow up.

[sabertooth]

My children live a few blocks away, and we share custody, I have them on the weekends and some weekdays...Its not a bad arrangement

They eat a mixed and varied diet, No where near my ideal, but they are healthy and happy... I supply much of the meat, and will do my best to provide fresh produce and spring water...but their mother is a SAD girl who eats a lot of grains and sugars...The girls will eat raw meat, eggs, bone marrow and my middle daughter loves raw fresh liver....Ive been reported to CPS about 5 times by anonymous teachers at their school, but once they learn about who I am and see that everyone is perfectly healthy they dismiss the case

We have worked out a compromise...no GMO, limited refined sugars, fluoride free toothpaste, non vaccination....They go to public schools which I dont care much for, but I try to counter much of the propaganda...I read different books to them,( the original "Pinochio is a favorite") and Im currently reading them Hesses "Sidhartha". I also play philosophical tapes, and let them know how I feel about the state of the world...

For the most part they are wild and free spirited...I have no design to have absolute control over their minds or their lifestyle choices, and only try to plant the seeds of wisdom and lead by example in the hope that as they grow up they develop a strength of character and sense of awareness needed to plot out a course for the good life...whatever that may be

[ys]

Your kids is where you have a chance to succeed.  Most people on this planet including your ex will never change their ways no matter what you do and say.  Spend your efforts where it counts.