The Ideal VLC Paleo Fruit?

[Sully]

Yeah but imagine thousands upon thousands of years of knowledge passed down. Dang, a lot of knowledge has been lost....
Hah, yeah that would be a good idea for a book. To tell the truth, I could survive in the wild with nothing but a sling shot. In fact, I don't even need a slingshot. I got so close to deer yesterday. Walking through the woods. I wasn't even stalking them. Imagine me with a spear!

That's interesting that you have english walnuts in England, but I have never seen one here in Wisconsin. I thought the weather was similar.

Anywho, black walnuts are native to Wisconsin. And I think English walnuts are native to England. Perhaps that's the way it should be.

[Michael]

Yes, let's pledge right now to keep the walnuts native! 

Hey, you probably wouldn't even need a spear Sully.  From what I recall, you're rather useful at martial arts aren't you?

Indeed, there has been much knowledge wasted and lost.  Whether it's been part of a deliberate plan or an unfortunate consequence, humanity has been delivered into a crazy zoo where most people have no clue how to do anything practical!  We exist in a global culture where most things can be purchased, replaced and disposed of without consideration of the impact or consequences.  But, as is becoming increasingly recognised, it is unsustainable.  Things must change and, indeed, there are signs of change everywhere.  The knowledge that has been lost must be found or re-learned.  You could be a part of this re-learning Sully.  You could be a vital part of the needed change.

[Sully]

Yeah let's keep em native hah! But if one manages to float across the ocean by chance so be it!

I actually thought about trying to choke out a deer. I Have lots of confidence. Rear naked choke on the back. Cut off the blood to the brain would knock it out. Then finish it off before it regains consciousness. I wonder if would take me for a ride through the woods or try to fight me off. I could get it to the ground and stab or clobber it. Deer are no where near as ferocious as bison. Put me in a cage with a deer bare hands. Dead within 10 minutes. I would even film it in my life time if it weren't for peta and animal lovers. It is a spectacle, but hey, who said I will do it all the time? haha!

For sure, throw a random person in the wild and if they find a deer carcass they will starve to death because they can't make a fire (thinking they have to cook it). They would probably try some poisonous berries first. hah But I feel the world slowing is changing for the better in some cases. Eliminate money and most people would be like....What do I do now?.... And yeah that's my goal, change myself to influence change in the world, the internet is the illness and the cure at the same time. Hah

[miles]

You wouldn't have to let go of the choke/strange to finish it.. You just hold the choke/strangle a few seconds longer after someone/something goes unconscious, and they will be dead.. You can also chase down the deer to wear it out first, and then when it is exhausted or close, you can finish it off by strangulation.

And yes, this is how I feel as well Sully...

[djr_81]

I actually thought about trying to choke out a deer. I Have lots of confidence. Rear naked choke on the back. Cut off the blood to the brain would knock it out. Then finish it off before it regains consciousness. I wonder if would take me for a ride through the woods or try to fight me off. I could get it to the ground and stab or clobber it. Deer are no where near as ferocious as bison. Put me in a cage with a deer bare hands. Dead within 10 minutes. I would even film it in my life time if it weren't for peta and animal lovers. It is a spectacle, but hey, who said I will do it all the time? haha!

You're in for a surprise. They're quite a bit stronger than they look. I was along side a stream with my parents' two dogs and they flushed out a baby fawn (maybe 18" at the withers). After they had cornered it I had to step in and grab the fawn to move it so the dogs wouldn't kill the thing (per my mother's request). For the small size of the thing it had surprising strength. I personally do not feel I could take down a full size deer right now if the strength increase linear to the size (and it's probably more of an exponential increase).
Also be really careful of the hooves if you do go for one. Like any other hooved animal they'll strike and it will seriously mess you up if they hit you squarely.

[Michael]

Yes, I was kind of joking about taking down the deer with your martial art skills, Sully!  Dan makes a wise point to take great caution if you seriously consider trying this.  I know from friends who work with horses how lethal they can be and would expect a deer - particularly one under attack - to be equally dangerous.

I admire your attitude, Sully, to first change yourself to influence change in the world.  You have the right ideas.

[miles]

They will run first, before fighting, if you give them a chance. If you keep coming after them, and keep giving them the option, they will keep running and tire themselves out.

[Michael]

They will run first, before fighting, if you give them a chance. If you keep coming after them, and keep giving them the option, they will keep running and tire themselves out.

Persistence hunting.  This would most certainly be my own personal preference as, despite the years of eating RAF, I still feel as though I'm spiritually vegetarian.  Perhaps it's a consequence of my Westernised upbringing but, unlike Sully, I'm not sure I could easily kill an animal - particularly animals that I really like such as deers, goats etc.  The idea of persistence hunting appeals to this spirituality.

[djr_81]

They will run first, before fighting, if you give them a chance. If you keep coming after them, and keep giving them the option, they will keep running and tire themselves out.

True. But all that was mentioned is jumping on a deer's back and choking it out.

[miles]

So Michael, what do you do when it's too tired to run any more? You still have to finish it off(that's when the strangulation should come in).

[Michael]

So Michael, what do you do when it's too tired to run any more? You still have to finish it off(that's when the strangulation should come in).

Really?!  I thought it just looked into your eyes, an exchange of spiritual respect and understanding took place and it passed away quietly accepting that it's lifeforce will live on within you?  Seriously, I do recall a similar thing happening on that persistent hunting video that was linked to on the forum at some point?  Maybe that's just wishful thinking on my part!   

[miles]

Well sure, but it's not going to be instant? You might have to wait a long time to be sure it's dead. It might rest a few days, try to get up, find food, not be able to move enough and then collapse again and die. I don't know. Besides, some might give up running sooner, when they might still be capable of regaining their health. Maybe not, I don't know.. Do you want to risk that you might be slicing open a live deer, when you could just cut off the blood to its' brain for a bit to be sure? At that point you have already caused it incredible damage by making it run so desperately.

[Sully]

djr_81

I would only worry about a kick from the hooves, or a stab from a male's antler. I bite could hurt also.
It's a risk all hunting animals face. They have found dead wolves with hove prints in the head.

Technique and strength combined could make a deer a very easy kill. Although sometimes it could be quite hard to kill with much struggling.
It all depends.

[Sully]

Oh guys, I wounded a rabbit and had to kill it with my bare hands. Grabbed it by the neck, and stabbed it in the heart. Killed a small bird too. Squeezed and broke it's neck.
If you choke it out. It will regain consciousness eventually. Cutting off the blood to the brain only keeps it out for a few moments. If you start cutting without a fatal blow it will surely awaken.


A fatal blow is necessary, brake a neck, stab heart or lungs. Stab neck and slice arteries. All are good ways.

Sounds gruesome and all, but imagine a lion explaining it to a crowd of average people. "Well, first I suffocated it, then my friends helped out by ripping it's flesh apart while it was still alive".

[miles]

Only if you let go soon after they go unconscious... If you hold it for a bit longer, they will be dead... But yes, it's worth it to make sure. I want to hear more about your unarmed hunting.

[Hannibal]

Wild Rosa Canina fruits
 


Zero sweetness
Consist mainly of seeds

[miles]

Those are in my garden. I thought they were for birds only?

[the PresiDenT]

Those are in my garden. I thought they were for birds only?

i remember as a kid seeing those all over and wanting to eat them but everyone told me id throw up and get sick so i never tried. im gonna eat em now

[djr_81]

i remember as a kid seeing those all over and wanting to eat them but everyone told me id throw up and get sick so i never tried. im gonna eat em now

Make sure you're eating something you have positively identified. There are numerous berries that look like that in North America.

[Hannibal]

I thought they were for birds only?

No
They are for humans too (the highest vitamin C content - about 2000 mg! per 100 g)
I kinda like their texture and taste.

[Brother]

Make sure you're eating something you have positively identified. There are numerous berries that look like that in North America.

I am going to have to double this statement. If you are the least unsure, dont eat it. But usually asking the elders in your community will soon reveal what is what. They are from a time in which they were taught these things.

[the PresiDenT]

I am going to have to double this statement. If you are the least unsure, dont eat it. But usually asking the elders in your community will soon reveal what is what. They are from a time in which they were taught these things.

i feel like all real knoledge is being left behind, and replaced with facebook/movies/tv/bullshit. it kinda pisses me off