Gallstones/Fasting.

[miles]

I did a fast a while back which lasted 6 days. During that fast I experienced some pain in the upper right abdomen, and I also noticed I was passing some stuff in stool even up to the 6th day, which looked like small off yellowish pebbles... I didn't at that time have any idea what gall/liver-stones looked like, or even have an idea the pain may have been in my liver/gallbladder. I didn't really have any idea where the stuff might be coming from.

Anyway... I've just seen what gall/liver-stones may look like(internet), and they look just like my recollection(it could be false) of the stuff I passed.

Since that fast I have been conscious of feeling that area in my abdomen sometimes, and when running for extended periods I can get a stitch there too(and in my right shoulder). However I hadn't done much extended running for about 1 year until recently, despite doing lots of exercise for most of that time...

Do you think I should fast again, to finish the job? Or try some other method? Is it possible that the stones would be passing anyway, but I just wouldn't notice them when I'm eating lots of other stuff..? I'm wondering if just running to the point of getting a stitch every day will clear them out.

I have plenty of symptoms which suggest to me I have problems with the liver/gallbladder area. Symptoms I had before paleo/raw-paleo and which I still have. I've only had positive improvements from eating first paleo, then more from raw paleo by the way(MAJOR improvements...)... It's just that as more severe/obvious problems are reduced/eliminated, my focus turns to smaller and smaller(though greatly significant) issues.

It's pretty bad that I don't know if I'm passing these things anyway. Could be the same stuff's still coming out but it's just mixed in with other stuff and I can't see it. What exactly about fasting could have triggered the release of gall/liver-stones, if it did..?

[goodsamaritan]

Try an egg yolk liver flush and see what that does.

[miles]

"Fasting decreases gallbladder movement, causing the bile to become overconcentrated with cholesterol, which can lead to gallstones." xD

But "Cholesterol – as well as bile's other components – is collected in the gallbladder when we sleep, between meals, or at other times when our body is fasting. Gallstones form when the chemical compounds in bile become imbalanced."

[majormark]

Interesting thing about the gallbladder movement. Maybe it's better to slowly phase off eating fat before a longer fast.

Anybody has more info on eating fat prior to fasting?

[Tashaa]

Hormones then signal the
gallbladder to contract and it pushes the bile into a common
bile duct and it flows down to the intestines to help emulsify
the fats we eat so they can be digested and absorbed.
Anything that prevents the flow of this bile reaching the intestines:
stones moving from the gallbladder into the ducts; ducts that
have narrowed; ducts that are mal formed; growths in the
ducts; gallbladder inflammation; or bile duct infection

[RawZi]

Hormones then signal the
gallbladder to contract and it pushes the bile into a common
bile duct and it flows down to the intestines to help emulsify
the fats we eat so they can be digested and absorbed.
Anything that prevents the flow of this bile reaching the intestines:
stones moving from the gallbladder into the ducts; ducts that
have narrowed; ducts that are mal formed; growths in the
ducts; gallbladder inflammation; or bile duct infection

    Welcome, Tashaa.  I see this is your first comment on the rp forum, and the first comment from anyone on this thread in three weeks.  You quoted that, actually just cut and pasted it without editing from the Protonix pharmaceutical page.
Here's the full comment:

abijann Dec 10th, 2010 @ 07:49 | #1Reply
QuoteThere is a part of the bile, which the liver makes, known
as Bilirubin. This is a greenish/yellowish/brownish substance
and is known as a pigment, because it colors other things.
The bile flows through tube like structures, known as ducts,
from the liver to the gallbladder to be stored and
concentrated. When we eat, the food moves from the stomach
to the first part of the intestines. Hormones then signal the
gallbladder to contract and it pushes the bile into a common
bile duct and it flows down to the intestines to help emulsify
the fats we eat so they can be digested and absorbed.
Anything that prevents the flow of this bile reaching the intestines:
stones moving from the gallbladder into the ducts; ducts that
have narrowed; ducts that are mal formed; growths in the
ducts; gallbladder inflammation; or bile duct infection
….can cause the bile to back up into the liver and raise the liver enzymes; because it can damage the liver cells there.
Because the bile doesn’t reach the intestines well, the stools
can appear lighter in color to almost a grayish white and may
float on top of the toilet water. That is because the bilirubin,
also, isn’t reaching the intestines.
If the bile is backing up into the liver, the bilirubin may go
higher in the blood tests results. It has to reach a certain
level in the blood before the whites of the eyes and skin
turn yellow in color (Jaundice).
You should be seeing a gastroenterologist or hepatologist
now.
There is a procedure that is done where the doctors can
directly see most of your insides of the digestive system,
known as an ERCP. (endoscopic retrograde
cholangiopancreatograpy) The will sedate you and ask
you to swallow the end of a scope. They numb the throat
first. They move this scope w/ a light and camera on
the end, through the esophagus, through the stomach,
and into the first part of the intestines and over to where
the bile ducts come down to meet the intestines.
They can shoot dye up into the ducts to see them much
better on screen (monitor) They can even insert small
instruments through the scope to remove growths,
stones, widen the ducts, or take a biopsy.
Link to click on: http://www.gihealth.com/html/education/e…
They also now have a capsule you can swallow that will look at
the entire digestive system as it moves through; but they don’t
use this very often and they cannot do anything about what
they see; that would mean an ERCP later. http://www.markfuscomd.com/gallbladder.h…http://www.markfuscomd.com/cholecytectom…http://www.gallbladderattack.com/gallbla…
After this procedure is over, you may have a slight sore throat when
you awaken in the recovery room. They can show you pictures,
taken by the scope, of what your problem may really be.
No one test is always 100% accurate…but, the ERCP where
they look directly is more accurate than most other tests
(film testing)outside the body are.
Best wishes to you. Hope this information is of some help.

  Have you practiced eating the raw paleo diet?  And with what success?