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Re: Dr. William Davis on AGEs
« Reply #25 on: May 14, 2010, 03:12:10 pm »

@alphagruis: Voila! Par example...http://inhumanexperiment.blogspot.com/2009/10/fats-and-ages-pufas-are-even-worse-than.html (Juissance!) This is of course just a blog post commentary on studies, but it makes one wonder about AA oxidation in high meats...Does anyone know how dietary AA is metabolised, given that it's a PUFA?

Thanks MrBBQ for the link though I had read this blog post before.

I do not agree with it because:

-It's definitely absurd IMO to demonize any normal component of the living organisms such as glucose, PUFA's, other carbs etc... They are indispensable. No living cell can function properly without a substantial amount of PUFAs even if these fatty acids are much more prone to oxidation There are necessarily mechanisms that prevent PUFAs oxidation in healthy cells or in vivo. In vitro experiments (with metal catalysts !!!) cannot tell us much in this respect.

-We must carefully distinguish between heated solvent extracted and virgin cold pressed oils or fats rich in PUFAs. The former are highly toxic indeed for many reasons but there is AFAIK absolutely no evidence that the latter have any adverse effects. Experiments carried out on rodents fed high PUFA diets use nothing but denatured  processed oils and tell us essentially nothing in this respect.

- It's definitely not true that endogenous AGEs formation is more important than the exogeneous one. The latter must be by far dominant simply because non enzymatic glycation is a thermally activated process i.e. a process where the reaction rate is many orders of magnitude larger at cooking temperatures than at body or room temperatures. If in graphs shown in your link data on CML formation at boiling water temperature were presented too they would completely dominate the other room temperature data hardly visible at this scale in the graph.      

 
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Re: Dr. William Davis on AGEs
« Reply #26 on: April 26, 2011, 05:23:08 am »
Dr. Davis on one of the factors that likely contribute to reduced heart disease risk in Japanese people:

"--Reduced exposure to cooked animal products (except seafood). This is not a saturated fat issue, but probably an advanced glycation end-product/lipoxidation issue that result from cooking." http://www.heartscanblog.org/2011/04/why-do-japanese-have-less-heart-disease.html

I know the seafood comment won't be popular here, but he's making more statements about cooking toxins than most other physicians and bloggers.
>"When some one eats an Epi paleo Rx template and follows the rules of circadian biology they get plenty of starches when they are available three out of the four seasons." -Jack Kruse, MD
>"I recommend 20 percent of calories from carbs, depending on the size of the person" -Ron Rosedale, MD (in other words, NOT zero carbs) http://preview.tinyurl.com/6ogtan
>Finding a diet you can tolerate is not the same as fixing what's wrong. -Tim Steele
Beware of problems from chronic Very Low Carb

 

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