Too Many Pronouncements, Too Little Thought and Effort

[KD]

Well thats something most people will agree upon. I'm saying more that you can and will have people abstaining from all? the wrong things and still doing poorly without the right things. Many people will agree to that as well but IMO it is NOT a matter of having the most 'pure' factors in your gameplan than others at all if the overall diet is not solid. Its not a matter at that point what other diets are theoretically less solid if they don't cause such problems in reality. People don't need to be in denial of problems people face with cooked foods to recognize raw diets can create problems - just as diets with all the other factors being the same. Also the obvious that too much or too little of the right things can be worse or the same as too much of the wrong things. What people don't seem to agree upon is while focusing on eating raw or paleo (or whatever) they can ignore - because of that purity - tools that they need, or marginalize them because they think they have more of their bases covered than other people. People will tend to stick with the theory over the actual reality. Not talking about obsession or even other health aspects at all there, just 'diet'.


Also just for the record. I don't consume or think sourdough bread or think it is 'good', could be other things (I don't eat) like wild rice or milk or something more 'paleo' like 100 % wild tubers or whatever. Food does not go into a vacuum and disappear and leave a positive or negative ash of health or disease based on some listing of nutrition or toxicity. The modern human condition is complex and whole diets can be skewed to the negative by 'good' things and create problems and imbalances that 'less good' things will not. For any given person just because they have a diet featuring many of the right foods and snubbing everything supposedly bad it doesn't mean that it would be better necessarily than someone with less pure foods and a better all around diet. Of course the other factors of health come into play quite a bit as well. In general i'm talking strictly diet and how it affects health in ways one doesn't necessarily expect based on what makes sense on paper with its listed nutrient elements or toxicity. Its how the whole things interact with people and how it actually has and will manifest as either benefits or problems. We actually do have alot to examine without 'studies' IMO.

[PaleoPhil]

OK, I think I follow. So someone might eat 100% raw and think that they are therefore eating an optimally healthy diet, but because they are missing certain key foods completely, they are actually eating worse than some cooked food eaters, right?

[KD]

More than that, as skipping individual foods due to dogma is just one aspect, but yes. 'Cooked food eaters' is pretty broad. For some reason its unfair here to compare anything other than 100% charred to a crisp diets diets without any fresh food to contrast, instead of similar diets that prioritize other things that become more workable.  I do think on a completly physical level (no obsessive stuff) one can create problems on raw (without extremes to either end) that 'average' people do not, nevermind health conscious people or even people that eat similarly but with cooked food. Again, we don't know 100% why  this is. I have my opinions and ideas, but as I've said, this should be the subject of more conversations so people CAN eat all raw if they like and avoid the problems people have run into

[PaleoPhil]

Yes, well said.

[TylerDurden]

Hmm, given the length of some posts on rawpaleoforum, we really need the equivalent of the Ignoble Prize's "Miss Sweetie Poo".

[Dorothy]

I do think on a completly physical level (no obsessive stuff) one can create problems on raw (without extremes to either end) that 'average' people do not, nevermind health conscious people or even people that eat similarly but with cooked food. Again, we don't know 100% why  this is. I have my opinions and ideas, but as I've said, this should be the subject of more conversations so people CAN eat all raw if they like and avoid the problems people have run into

I for one would very much like to hear more about patterns or examples you have noticed KD.... and your opinions and ideas.... so that I might avoid as many mistakes as I possibly can. Maybe you could post more on this in your journal so that you can express yourself in the way you feel comfortable for those (like me) that find what you have to say valuable and appreciate you taking the time to write out your thoughts.

[Dorothy]

Not good enough. Get on your knees and worship the raw Paleo god and curse all the crooked scientists that don't think 100% raw is best and who are always wrong  ...  except when they agree with us. 

LOL - Phil, you sure can make me laugh.

[Dorothy]

Yes, I do.

Those three words meant more to me than my mind can keep up with.