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xylothrill

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Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« on: November 06, 2008, 12:55:44 am »
I think I've come up with a workaround that keeps the external gif images from overlapping the text. I don't know how to keep the gifs from being underlined or a part of the link but that's no biggie, I don't think. Consistency would be nice though.

Please take a look at it and let me know if your browsers render it correctly. Beyond Veg Debunked

The link "lysine," in the fourth block quote, seems to be doubly underlined in Linux Fireforx but not Epiphany or Safari (iPhone) and I have no idea why. I'll check on my mac and windows.

Anyone use IE7? How does it look?

Also, please let me know of any other mistakes.

Craig
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Re: Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« Reply #1 on: November 06, 2008, 01:11:54 am »
Oh, I can't comment on the style sheet changes beyond the next sentence, but I must say, you'd better read up first before you do much more.  Get a book on css asap.  Taking that external.gif out of the class structure and placing it in all underlined text makes no sense whatsoever, and now you have all those tags everywhere in the html page when you could have underlines by saying text-decoration: underline; on the style sheet.  The reason you have double underlines in that quote concerns styling conflicts/overrides, but I have no time to look into the particulars of that now.  You'll find it in time.

Best wishes! :-*
« Last Edit: November 06, 2008, 04:46:01 am by Satya »

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Re: Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« Reply #2 on: November 06, 2008, 01:37:41 am »
Thanks Satya,

 I'll get it in time. I didn't alter the main css. I'm too afraid to mess with that yet. That page has its own http://www.rawpaleodiet.com/rawpaleo2.css. I ran it through the w3c css validator and it came back fine. What I did was (I don't know the lingo) I gave the u tag the external image and placed the tags on the last word of the anchor text. It's only temporary until I can get more than my feet wet. Trust me, I'm not going to irreparably screw it up.  :) I have backups of everything.

I just want to know how it looks to everyone else. If it doesn't work in some browsers, I'll undo it.

Craig
« Last Edit: November 06, 2008, 03:08:54 am by Craig »

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Re: Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« Reply #3 on: November 06, 2008, 04:39:54 am »
I'm running Firefox 3.03 on windows XP.  The lysine link is not double underlined for me and there are no graphics at all, except for the Raw Paleo Forum header at the very top.

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Re: Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« Reply #4 on: November 06, 2008, 04:44:07 am »
Hi Craig,

I know what you did because I looked at the html and css page before I wrote in the first place.  The validator matters not , especially when browsers comply as they choose with css.  I mean, it's nice that it validates, but the way you are doing this is not good over the long haul.  Modify the rawpaleo.css, do not give that particular html page its own sheet.  That is the equivalent of building a new house just because you want to put a deck out back.  Better to make the deck on the house you have.  The ONLY time you want a new sheet is when the page has totally different styles.

You are styling html tags you don't even need (nor should you want to place them all over in the html page).  CSS should make your life easier, not harder.  Those tags are competing with styles laid out for links in any paragraph on the css page.  In IE7 the graphic is way out there to the right, and not underlined, and it looks like doo doo.  The underline is shown on the hover on that browser only, whereas in Firefox it's always there and thus is double underlined.  I highly recommend that you delete the graphics and just make a note that all links are external at the top of the article under the title of it.  They really don't look good in the paragraphs anyway.  Too much clutter.

Do this in rawpaleo.css if you must have them there:

.external {all the original stuff for the ones used in headers}
.externalp {change the margins when you have external links in paragraphs}

Get rid of the other style sheet!  Keep your back ups, good deal.  You may well want external links in paragraphs elsewhere, and why should you have to link to an entire new style page when most of it is copied from the first one anyway (all layout, and all that jazz).  And for heaven's sake, git rid of the underline tags.  THAT IS A DEPRACATED TAG AND WILL NOT BE SUPPORTED IN HTML MUCH LONGER!!!  You must think in terms of css whenever possible; and if you don't, you will end up in deep doo doo about this sort of thing in no time.  It is not some wysiwyg software where html tags are a fun side benny.  You have to learn css and deal with its rules, not try and fudge old, crusty html tags in a css document.  Believe me, there is a big difference.  It took me some time to understand css and how different browsers deal with it.  I have been working with it part time for 5 years and still I have stuff to learn.  It is something that if you don't know what you are doing, you will cause major problems that will be very hard to find and fix.  And who knows what it looks like in the wretched IE6?

One day at a time, eh?  I suggest you get ocd about learning css inside and out.  And make sure you avoid, whenever possible, depracated html tags.
« Last Edit: November 06, 2008, 04:47:26 am by Satya »

xylothrill

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Re: Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« Reply #5 on: November 06, 2008, 06:01:02 am »
You don't have to freak out! There is now one css file and it's going to stay that way for now. NOT FOREVER! Did you even bother reading my previous post?

I've checked on every browser I have and it actually looks like it's supposed to in IE.


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Re: Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« Reply #6 on: November 06, 2008, 06:02:36 am »
I'm running Firefox 3.03 on windows XP.  The lysine link is not double underlined for me and there are no graphics at all, except for the Raw Paleo Forum header at the very top.

This is the image that denotes an off-site link that I'm referring to:

It looks a heck of a lot better than it did before when they were all on top of the text.
« Last Edit: November 07, 2008, 11:54:34 am by Craig »

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Re: Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« Reply #7 on: November 06, 2008, 06:12:22 am »
OK.  That shows up just fine for me.

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Re: Please Help Test the Beyond Veg Debunked Page
« Reply #8 on: November 06, 2008, 07:39:51 am »
Anyone use IE7? How does it look?

Hi Craig,

On another technical aspect, try downloading VMWARE Player and make a Windows XP virtual machine for yourself.  Then install multiple Internet Explorer in your windows XP. You will have IE7 and IE6 available for you.

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